Cricket match prediction discussions

[bryant.coleman]

^^^ From what I can see, almost every one got more than what they are receiving right now and should be happy. And for the Associate nations, the lion's share will be pocketed by teams such as UAE and USA who doesn't have a single native in thier squad, which will make sure that cricket in countries such as Kenya and Nepal will die down over the next few years. The following is the criteria used by the ICC to distribute revenue:

Cricket history
Performance in both men's and women's ICC events over the last 16 years
Contribution to the ICC's commercial revenue
And, an equal weightage for the status of being a Full Member

For all the test nations (including Ireland and Afghanistan), this is something that they would welcome. For the Associates, there is not going to be much excitement. Overall amount allocated is higher, but most of it will end up in undeserving destinations.

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[Sithara007]

The big winners here are BCCI, ACB and CI. I calculated the % change in fund inflows per year, and this is what they are going to get in 2024-27:

BCCI: +356%
ECB:   +138%
CA:   +135%
PCB:   +116%
CSA:   +64%
NZC:   +77%
WICB: +72%
SLC:   +70%
BCB:   +67%
CI: +261%
ACB: +236%
ZC: +47%
Associates: +236%

Some of the boards, such as CNZ and CSA are not going to be happy, I guess. But these two boards have sided with BCCI every now and then and have played their part in reducing the share for associate nations. So they deserve what they get. I am still curious about how the associate share ($67.16 million per year) will get distributed among the smaller nations. The ICC has not incentivized teams with native players, and in fact they seems to be rewarding the teams who have 100% foreigner squads.

[JSRAW]

^^^ From what I can see, almost every one got more than what they are receiving right now and should be happy. And for the Associate nations, the lion's share will be pocketed by teams such as UAE and USA who doesn't have a single native in thier squad, which will make sure that cricket in countries such as Kenya and Nepal will die down over the next few years. The following is the criteria used by the ICC to distribute revenue:

Cricket history
Performance in both men's and women's ICC events over the last 16 years
Contribution to the ICC's commercial revenue
And, an equal weightage for the status of being a Full Member

For all the test nations (including Ireland and Afghanistan), this is something that they would welcome. For the Associates, there is not going to be much excitement. Overall amount allocated is higher, but most of it will end up in undeserving destinations.

Yeah, everyone seeing the increase in USD but % wise it's going down if we compare it with the previous cycle (not counting Ire +Afg as they are new), although i agree they are still benefiting from it and might go with that.

I do sense some hurdles from the BCCI tho because they were demanding this 38% mark or similar pie in the past which ICC declined by citing revenue data(which was not public), in the public domain ICC accepted that it was around 70%, that's a story of past and many analysts believe it was a lie. Recent media rights clearly show that the current standing is close to 90% so i won't be surprised if BCCI bargaining in the next ICC meetup.

The big winners here are BCCI, ACB and CI. I calculated the % change in fund inflows per year, and this is what they are going to get in 2024-27:

I see everyone as a winner except BCCI and Associates. Every Test nation getting a bigger pie in comparison to their contribution to ICC's revenue pot.

[Ayers]

Well at least in football they have the citizenship to play for that respective country. But in cricket that is not the case. In cricket, anyone can play for any country. That is wondering which ICC have to make a change on.
We certainly wouldn't have made any comments if only 1 or two or even 3 players were actually from another country presenting the national team. But the problem has come when 10/11 players are from another country. ICC also knows very well that those associate teams which are actually made out of foreign players actually do not have any intention of getting better in cricket. They are just here to find some profit.

At this point, a country such as Norway receives almost the same amount of funds as Nepal. And the funds are significant (~$200,000 per year). Nepali players are struggling, because they need to fund the domestic cricket and school cricket as well with this amount, and the players are all native. On the other hand, teams like Norway and Sweden are 100% composed of foreign players and the cricket board has no recognition from the sports ministries in these countries. Whatever funds provided by the ICC is shared between the players and they don't spend any of that amount to increase the popularity of cricket, or to teach the sport to schoolkids. This is a big scam and has been going on for many years now. Hundreds of millions of USD worth of ICC funds are being stolen by undeserving people.

Do teams like Norway and Sweden actually need the same type of funding that Nepal gets? I absolutely do not think so. I think ICC really should think about having less money for the teams which are absolutely made out of foreign players. They should also allocate that money for teams like Nepal which are made up of native players.

I understand ICC is always looking for profit. But they should also understand that once it actually becomes a big enough game all around the world it is not going to be a problem to earn profit.

[fuguebtc]

The big winners here are BCCI, ACB and CI. I calculated the % change in fund inflows per year, and this is what they are going to get in 2024-27:

BCCI: +356%
ECB:   +138%
CA:   +135%
PCB:   +116%
CSA:   +64%
NZC:   +77%
WICB: +72%
SLC:   +70%
BCB:   +67%
CI: +261%
ACB: +236%
ZC: +47%
Associates: +236%

Some of the boards, such as CNZ and CSA are not going to be happy, I guess. But these two boards have sided with BCCI every now and then and have played their part in reducing the share for associate nations. So they deserve what they get. I am still curious about how the associate share ($67.16 million per year) will get distributed among the smaller nations. The ICC has not incentivized teams with native players, and in fact they seems to be rewarding the teams who have 100% foreigner squads.

The most interesting one is going to be the associate's one in my opinion. It will actually be very interesting to see how they allocate the money after so much controversy. If this time ICC does not give more money to the teams which are actually made out of native players it will be really annoying. It is time for ICC to actually incentive the teams which has more native players. It is actually very stupid for the ICC to give more money to those teams which are already very rich and can effort to have foreign players in the team.

[bryant.coleman]

From what I can see, the allocation to associate nations have gone down, and now it is the lowest ever in terms of percentage. During 2007-14 cycle, the associate nations used to receive 35% of all the funds. Now they receive just 11%. And the number of associate nations have gone up, mainly due to fake teams made of foreigners. And this ensures that deserving teams receive hardly any funds from the ICC.

[Rabata]

From what I can see, the allocation to associate nations have gone down, and now it is the lowest ever in terms of percentage. During 2007-14 cycle, the associate nations used to receive 35% of all the funds. Now they receive just 11%. And the number of associate nations have gone up, mainly due to fake teams made of foreigners. And this ensures that deserving teams receive hardly any funds from the ICC.

I think two classes are benefiting by this allocation. One is the upper division and the other is the Associated Nations teams. However, the condition of those who have been giving more time in cricket won't be improved. BCCI is the most profitable and the reason behind this is that they have the most revenue generated through them. But what you said in the others nations those are mostly fake teams. Whose country has no own player. They also got a good amount of money and were very numerous. So, there is no doubt that the some countries who are positioning in the middle will be under threat. Next year 24-27 will create a bigger gap. In such a situation, many people are making speculations about the condition of cricket and what will be in the future.

[JSRAW]

Why would these old fucks support the associates? If we look at it from their point of view then there is no benefit even in the long term.

They just want to milk the Indian market and keep filling their pocket. In almost every podcast or commentary there is a subtle indication that BCCI should give up a big portion of their share because they earn enough through IPL but no one even argues how to make the existing market lucrative for the rest of the boards.

By mean milking; they don't want to introduce more teams in the ICC tournament. Just look at the current ODI WC setting it's freaking embarrassing, there are 10 teams going in for qualifiers and only 2 will get the slot for 10 teams ODI WC (it's directly related to the 2007 crisis).

[Sithara007]

Why would these old fucks support the associates? If we look at it from their point of view then there is no benefit even in the long term.

Two decades back, there were only 20-30 associate teams that used to take part regularly in the qualifier tournaments. Now that number has increased to around 100. So previously, if $25 million was allocated to the associates, each team would receive $1 million each. But now a lot of fake teams have entered, such as Norway, Belgium, Cyprus.etc. These teams are entirely made of foreigners and they receive the same funding as other teams like Nepal or Kenya. On paper, the allocation has gone up from 2007-14 ($25 million to $67 million). But each country will receive less amount, because the number of teams have increased. And obviously fake teams will receive a higher share since they are ranked higher. A comparison here:

ICC T20I Ranking:

Hong Kong: Rank 18 (100% foreigner)
Oman: Rank 20 (100% foreigner)
Qatar: Rank 26 (100% foreigner)
Kuwait: Rank 27 (100% foreigner)
Kenya: Rank 28 (mostly native)
Bahrain: Rank 29 (100% foreigner)
Saudi Arabia: Rank 32 (100% foreigner)
Belgium: Rank 37 (100% foreigner)
Vanuatu: Rank 43 (100% native)
Rwanda: Rank 66 (100% native)
Thailand: Rank 81 (mostly native) 
Greece: Rank 84 (mostly native)

Fake teams get higher ranking, because they win matches with the help from Indian and Pakistani players. And in the end, since their ranking is higher they get a higher share of the revenues.

[Juggy777]

Why would these old fucks support the associates? If we look at it from their point of view then there is no benefit even in the long term.

They just want to milk the Indian market and keep filling their pocket. In almost every podcast or commentary there is a subtle indication that BCCI should give up a big portion of their share because they earn enough through IPL but no one even argues how to make the existing market lucrative for the rest of the boards.

By mean milking; they don't want to introduce more teams in the ICC tournament. Just look at the current ODI WC setting it's freaking embarrassing, there are 10 teams going in for qualifiers and only 2 will get the slot for 10 teams ODI WC (it's directly related to the 2007 crisis).

@JSRAW if it wasn’t obvious how powerful BCCI is then it became even more obvious when they got ICC to shift the Asia Cup and this clearly shows that ICC will do nothing that upsets the BCCI. Lastly who’re these people that’s think that BCCI will give up on their revenue’s because BCCI made the IPL longer to earn extra revenue hence there’s no way that they’ll ever give up on their revenue’s.

[JSRAW]

Fake teams get higher ranking, because they win matches with the help from Indian and Pakistani players. And in the end, since their ranking is higher they get a higher share of the revenues.

Unfortunately, I don't see anything positive happening in this regard. For these folks, it's not even an issue and we won't see any productive debate in this matter anytime soon, maybe never.

They might wake up or cry once franchise cricket takes over International cricket all year around.

Why would these old fucks support the associates? If we look at it from their point of view then there is no benefit even in the long term.

They just want to milk the Indian market and keep filling their pocket. In almost every podcast or commentary there is a subtle indication that BCCI should give up a big portion of their share because they earn enough through IPL but no one even argues how to make the existing market lucrative for the rest of the boards.

By mean milking; they don't want to introduce more teams in the ICC tournament. Just look at the current ODI WC setting it's freaking embarrassing, there are 10 teams going in for qualifiers and only 2 will get the slot for 10 teams ODI WC (it's directly related to the 2007 crisis).

@JSRAW if it wasn’t obvious how powerful BCCI is then it became even more obvious when they got ICC to shift the Asia Cup and this clearly shows that ICC will do nothing that upsets the BCCI. Lastly who’re these people that’s think that BCCI will give up on their revenue’s because BCCI made the IPL longer to earn extra revenue hence there’s no way that they’ll ever give up on their revenue’s.

BCCi is a bully but in this case, ICC has no jurisdiction over Asia Cup (including bilaterals) so they can't force anyone.

Almost every sports journalist/old guard from England and add a few from Australia as well. No one talks about it openly tho.

[Sithara007]

Unfortunately, I don't see anything positive happening in this regard. For these folks, it's not even an issue and we won't see any productive debate in this matter anytime soon, maybe never.

They might wake up or cry once franchise cricket takes over International cricket all year around.

Agreed. Things are getting worse with every passing year. Very soon we will have 200 associate members within the ICC, with less than 10% of them having any native players in the squad (for comparison, FIFA have 211 members). Even the representation within ICC has now moved into their hands. This time, Imran Khwaja, Pankaj Khimji and Neil Speight were elected as the associate representatives in ICC. And among them, Khimji is widely known as a proxy of the BCCI. During elections, Khimji managed to defeat Mahinda Vallipuram as a result of mercenary teams voting en bloc for him.

[Patrol69]

West Indies failed to qualify directly for ODI World Cup 2023.  Therefore, the West Indies Cricket Board has already announced a 15-member team for the qualifying round to qualify for the main round of the World Cup. 
Several iconic players have been left out of the World Cup qualifying squad. The team was announced with Shai Hope as the captain in the 15-man squad. 
The Caribbean players in the 15-man squad are,
SHAI HOPE (C).
ROMAN POWELL (VC)
SHAMARH BROOKS
YANNIC CARIAH
Keacy Carty
ROSTON CHASE
JASON HOLDER
AKEAL HOSEIN
ALZARRI JOSEPH
BRANDON KING
KYLE MAYERS
GUDAKESH MOTIE
KEEMO PAUL
NICHOLAS POORAN
ROMARIO SHEPHERD

We would hope that a team like the West Indies would never be eliminated from the qualifiers and would have high hopes that they would qualify for the World Cup. Because without a team like West Indies, the World Cup will be empty.

[JSRAW]

Unfortunately, I don't see anything positive happening in this regard. For these folks, it's not even an issue and we won't see any productive debate in this matter anytime soon, maybe never.

They might wake up or cry once franchise cricket takes over International cricket all year around.

Agreed. Things are getting worse with every passing year. Very soon we will have 200 associate members within the ICC, with less than 10% of them having any native players in the squad (for comparison, FIFA have 211 members). Even the representation within ICC has now moved into their hands. This time, Imran Khwaja, Pankaj Khimji and Neil Speight were elected as the associate representatives in ICC. And among them, Khimji is widely known as a proxy of the BCCI. During elections, Khimji managed to defeat Mahinda Vallipuram as a result of mercenary teams voting en bloc for him.

We desperately need a drastic reform in the ICC and cricketing format.

IMHO 3 formats are not sustainable if we are looking at it from the perspective of "Spreading the game" and "Expanding the participation in the ICC tourney".

At best there should be only 2 formats, if possible restrict it to one, preferably a T-20 format that's it. Let existing test nations play tests but rules should be relaxed for associates in regards of funding (like no need to create a 4 days domestic setup )and if given a choice then i believe every associate will be happy to follow this guideline.

[fullhdpixel]

West Indies failed to qualify directly for ODI World Cup 2023.  Therefore, the West Indies Cricket Board has already announced a 15-member team for the qualifying round to qualify for the main round of the World Cup. 

Right now as things are going into West Indies cricket they already lost all their positive chances into test cricket now most chances they will be also out of the white ball as well because they have no good player available for themselves into this which bring some positive hopes with this squad even they have balanced chance for the qualification into world cup but if we have any upset through Ireland, Zimbabwe or Netherlands they can lose this spot as well which could be disaster for the West Indies cricket because they already lost their spot into T-20 World cup and now having things like these could be not ideal for them and the game hopefully they will try to settle their inner problems, and we will be able to have them into good for the bright future of this game in this region.

[Webetcoins]

Things are getting worse with every passing year. Very soon we will have 200 associate members within the ICC, with less than 10% of them having any native players in the squad (for comparison, FIFA have 211 members). Even the representation within ICC has now moved into their hands. This time, Imran Khwaja, Pankaj Khimji and Neil Speight were elected as the associate representatives in ICC. And among them, Khimji is widely known as a proxy of the BCCI. During elections, Khimji managed to defeat Mahinda Vallipuram as a result of mercenary teams voting en bloc for him.

We desperately need a drastic reform in the ICC and cricketing format.

IMHO 3 formats are not sustainable if we are looking at it from the perspective of "Spreading the game" and "Expanding the participation in the ICC tourney".

At best there should be only 2 formats, if possible restrict it to one, preferably a T-20 format that's it. Let existing test nations play tests but rules should be relaxed for associates in regards of funding (like no need to create a 4 days domestic setup )and if given a choice then i believe every associate will be happy to follow this guideline.

For long time I am calling for these changes in ICC as they need to work on just two formats which change the funding system as well because now things are getting worst with current system and development which is not working and creating mess-up if we have T-20 and test formats which some changes in funding and playing conditions surely ICC will be able to have better results, and also we will be able to have better revenues as well specially while now cricket is doing good in Southeast Asia where Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand are bringing their teams win native players T-20 format can do good changes.

But sadly not in ICC agenda for the next few years which is surely creating problems for them and many countries which are facing lacking of funds and having not positive support from anywhere for their setup.

[Sithara007]

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and also we will be able to have better revenues as well specially while now cricket is doing good in Southeast Asia where Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand are bringing their teams win native players T-20 format can do good changes.

The ICC is biased towards certain boards such as the Emirates Cricket Board, United States of America Cricket Association and Oman Cricket. As a result, these boards eat up most of the paltry share of revenue, that is allotted to the associate nations. Indonesia and Thailand are 100% made of natives and have performed exceptionally well in the recent times. But in terms of fund allocation, they always receive a very small share compared to UAE and the USA. The ICC even provided direct qualification to the USA for 2024 T20 Cricket World Cup (they are currently ranked at 22nd place, according to the latest T20I team rankings).

[Patrol69]

After back-to-back failures, the West Indies Cricket Board appointed a new West Indies coach for success ahead of the World Cup, with Darren Sammy appointed as the new West Indies coach for ODIs and T20Is. 

A team that once ruled cricket has now failed to qualify directly for the main stage of the World Cup. Their great performances are now a golden past for them. Maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has decided to take the West Indies back to its previous state. Darren Sameer's technique is expected to be successful for the West Indies team. 

There is no dearth of world class cricketers in the West Indies team but what is lacking is a good relationship between the cricket board and the players. There is no doubt that West Indies will be the strongest team in ODI and T20 cricket if there is a good relationship between the West Indies Cricket Board and the players.

[wiss19]

After back-to-back failures, the West Indies Cricket Board appointed a new West Indies coach for success ahead of the World Cup, with Darren Sammy appointed as the new West Indies coach for ODIs and T20Is. 

A team that once ruled cricket has now failed to qualify directly for the main stage of the World Cup. Their great performances are now a golden past for them. Maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has decided to take the West Indies back to its previous state. Darren Sameer's technique is expected to be successful for the West Indies team. 

There is no dearth of world class cricketers in the West Indies team but what is lacking is a good relationship between the cricket board and the players. There is no doubt that West Indies will be the strongest team in ODI and T20 cricket if there is a good relationship between the West Indies Cricket Board and the players.

Bad management and too much interference from the governments create problems, and we have downfall like West Indies once they were ruler of the cricket world, and now they are going to play qualifiers which man things are already gone from bad to worse for them, and they are not learning from their mistakes and still going with the same strategy which is not going to help them even they will be dragged and have no place in this game.

Their performance was better in white ball but in last few years now they are losing this as well which is more concerns for them if they want to have better future then surely they need to work out on all aspects which are having bad impact on their game in last few years because without checking mistakes they can't go ahead and have improvement in their quality and performance Darren Sammy was the good player hopefully he will do his best for having improvement in West Indian cricket.

[Minecache]

After back-to-back failures, the West Indies Cricket Board appointed a new West Indies coach for success ahead of the World Cup, with Darren Sammy appointed as the new West Indies coach for ODIs and T20Is. 
A team that once ruled cricket has now failed to qualify directly for the main stage of the World Cup. Their great performances are now a golden past for them. Maybe the West Indies Cricket Board has decided to take the West Indies back to its previous state. Darren Sameer's technique is expected to be successful for the West Indies team. 
There is no dearth of world class cricketers in the West Indies team but what is lacking is a good relationship between the cricket board and the players. There is no doubt that West Indies will be the strongest team in ODI and T20 cricket if there is a good relationship between the West Indies Cricket Board and the players.

Bad management and too much interference from the governments create problems, and we have downfall like West Indies once they were ruler of the cricket world, and now they are going to play qualifiers which man things are already gone from bad to worse for them, and they are not learning from their mistakes and still going with the same strategy which is not going to help them even they will be dragged and have no place in this game.
Their performance was better in white ball but in last few years now they are losing this as well which is more concerns for them if they want to have better future then surely they need to work out on all aspects which are having bad impact on their game in last few years because without checking mistakes they can't go ahead and have improvement in their quality and performance Darren Sammy was the good player hopefully he will do his best for having improvement in West Indian cricket.

There was an era of West Indies cricket where they perform really well in red ball cricket. A few years ago there perform really well in white-ball cricket. Especially in the T20 format. But now they are not performing well in that has well.

Anyway, Darren Sammy is a very young individual. He will have that hunger to perform well and prove himself. But you will need a lot of time to actually bring in results in my opinion. After all the situation of the team is not very good. Government interference and corruption will also have to decrease otherwise it is not going to matter who is in charge.