Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

The other solution could be that any country will have to give the player acidity of that respective country. They can use players who come from another country but they will at least have to have citizenship. Without citizenship, a person cannot represent that country. That is actually going to fix most of the problems, to be honest.

Because we all know that the countries are not going to give away citizenship for free. And if the country does actually give citizenship to that player the country is going to be liable for the actions he takes and also the country will have to look after that person as a citizen.

Cricket is the only sport that allows foreign players in the "national" teams. And in case of teams such as Czech Republic and Cyprus, they never ever had a single citizen in their team. No one will be complaining about teams fielding naturalized citizens (for example UAE including someone who was born in Pakistan, but received the UAE citizenship recently). But in case of cricket, it is possible to have a national team of Norway or Sweden without any citizens from these countries. From what I understand, the ICC want to inflate the number of countries that play cricket. And that is the reason why they came up with this strange idea.

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[Dimitri94]

The other solution could be that any country will have to give the player acidity of that respective country. They can use players who come from another country but they will at least have to have citizenship. Without citizenship, a person cannot represent that country. That is actually going to fix most of the problems, to be honest.

Because we all know that the countries are not going to give away citizenship for free. And if the country does actually give citizenship to that player the country is going to be liable for the actions he takes and also the country will have to look after that person as a citizen.

Cricket is the only sport that allows foreign players in the "national" teams. And in case of teams such as Czech Republic and Cyprus, they never ever had a single citizen in their team. No one will be complaining about teams fielding naturalized citizens (for example UAE including someone who was born in Pakistan, but received the UAE citizenship recently). But in case of cricket, it is possible to have a national team of Norway or Sweden without any citizens from these countries. From what I understand, the ICC want to inflate the number of countries that play cricket. And that is the reason why they came up with this strange idea.

And if this kind of situation continues, maybe after a decade, international matches will have any importance except for a few countries. Gradually, there is a clear perception among everyone that ICC is working to increase the number of countries and not the quality of cricket. The money in cricket is going up but the quality is going down and looks set to get worse in the future. The most surprising thing is that no one has taken any steps to exempt this situation. No one is saying anything. But sometimes many big cricketers and cricket experts or persons raise a storm of protest about any normal issue.

[Sithara007]

And if this kind of situation continues, maybe after a decade, international matches will have any importance except for a few countries. Gradually, there is a clear perception among everyone that ICC is working to increase the number of countries and not the quality of cricket. The money in cricket is going up but the quality is going down and looks set to get worse in the future. The most surprising thing is that no one has taken any steps to exempt this situation. No one is saying anything. But sometimes many big cricketers and cricket experts or persons raise a storm of protest about any normal issue.

Agreed. Out of the 100 or so associate nations, around 80 are solely comprised of Indian and Pakistani expats. Matches involving these teams doesn't make any sense because it feels like some clubs in Mumbai or Delhi is playing against each other, despite what their jerseys indicate. I still remember once incident where two European teams were playing each other. During the post-match ceremony, some question was asked in the official language of one of the participating countries and none of the players were able to understand that.

[Juggy777]

And if this kind of situation continues, maybe after a decade, international matches will have any importance except for a few countries. Gradually, there is a clear perception among everyone that ICC is working to increase the number of countries and not the quality of cricket. The money in cricket is going up but the quality is going down and looks set to get worse in the future. The most surprising thing is that no one has taken any steps to exempt this situation. No one is saying anything. But sometimes many big cricketers and cricket experts or persons raise a storm of protest about any normal issue.

Agreed. Out of the 100 or so associate nations, around 80 are solely comprised of Indian and Pakistani expats. Matches involving these teams doesn't make any sense because it feels like some clubs in Mumbai or Delhi is playing against each other, despite what their jerseys indicate. I still remember once incident where two European teams were playing each other. During the post-match ceremony, some question was asked in the official language of one of the participating countries and none of the players were able to understand that.

@Dimitri94 no big cricketer will raise his voice on this because they all too earn from these matches eg commentary or highlights show etc hence they’re fine with this system. @Sithara007 not surprised to know those player’s didn’t understand the language but I’m sure that the ICC would have buried this news so it reaches less people and less questions are raised.

[Minecache]

And if this kind of situation continues, maybe after a decade, international matches will have any importance except for a few countries. Gradually, there is a clear perception among everyone that ICC is working to increase the number of countries and not the quality of cricket. The money in cricket is going up but the quality is going down and looks set to get worse in the future. The most surprising thing is that no one has taken any steps to exempt this situation. No one is saying anything. But sometimes many big cricketers and cricket experts or persons raise a storm of protest about any normal issue.

Agreed. Out of the 100 or so associate nations, around 80 are solely comprised of Indian and Pakistani expats. Matches involving these teams doesn't make any sense because it feels like some clubs in Mumbai or Delhi is playing against each other, despite what their jerseys indicate. I still remember once incident where two European teams were playing each other. During the post-match ceremony, some question was asked in the official language of one of the participating countries and none of the players were able to understand that.

Honestly, I understand if you do not have good enough players to play in the national team and that's why you have to get players from another country to play in the national team. But it can be only 3 or 5 players maximum. If it is anything more than that, it isn't a national team in my opinion. But we have a lot of teams that have 11 players from whole other continents playing in the national team. That's the funny and sad part. If that is the case then why don't let franchise cricket teams participate in the world cup?

[Sithara007]

Honestly, I understand if you do not have good enough players to play in the national team and that's why you have to get players from another country to play in the national team. But it can be only 3 or 5 players maximum. If it is anything more than that, it isn't a national team in my opinion. But we have a lot of teams that have 11 players from whole other continents playing in the national team. That's the funny and sad part. If that is the case then why don't let franchise cricket teams participate in the world cup?

The intent from ICC is to show that cricket is growing. So they have these 70-80 fake teams entirely consisted of Indian and Pakistani expats. Then they claim that cricket is being played around in 100 plus nations (which is false, obviously). A few weeks ago, I had posted one of my suggestions. My suggestion was to allot additional slots for teams like India and Pakistan. Rather than Indian players faking as UAE or German players, why can't the ICC allow Indian A, Indian U-23 or India U-19 squads in the ICC tournaments? But then their fake story of 100 countries playing cricket will be exposed.

[justdimin]

Honestly, I understand if you do not have good enough players to play in the national team and that's why you have to get players from another country to play in the national team. But it can be only 3 or 5 players maximum. If it is anything more than that, it isn't a national team in my opinion. But we have a lot of teams that have 11 players from whole other continents playing in the national team. That's the funny and sad part. If that is the case then why don't let franchise cricket teams participate in the world cup?

The intent from ICC is to show that cricket is growing. So they have these 70-80 fake teams entirely consisted of Indian and Pakistani expats. Then they claim that cricket is being played around in 100 plus nations (which is false, obviously). A few weeks ago, I had posted one of my suggestions. My suggestion was to allot additional slots for teams like India and Pakistan. Rather than Indian players faking as UAE or German players, why can't the ICC allow Indian A, Indian U-23 or India U-19 squads in the ICC tournaments? But then their fake story of 100 countries playing cricket will be exposed.

Cricket is growing on papers under this ICC management because they want to have better things through sponsors and media rights, so they are doing their tricks which are not helpful for the game and fans with now most chances they have no chance in IOC as well because their current policies are not helpful for allowing them into this event, and they are also having not solid strategy.

If we have 60 to 80 teams which are having adopted players from India and Pakistan with not domestic setup and facilities for their players which is not helpful for the game, but just few players are having better things for themselves as many times mentioned they need to work on minimum 4 or 5 native players can bring better interest but no one going to listen this.

[Minecache]

Honestly, I understand if you do not have good enough players to play in the national team and that's why you have to get players from another country to play in the national team. But it can be only 3 or 5 players maximum. If it is anything more than that, it isn't a national team in my opinion. But we have a lot of teams that have 11 players from whole other continents playing in the national team. That's the funny and sad part. If that is the case then why don't let franchise cricket teams participate in the world cup?

The intent from ICC is to show that cricket is growing. So they have these 70-80 fake teams entirely consisted of Indian and Pakistani expats. Then they claim that cricket is being played around in 100 plus nations (which is false, obviously). A few weeks ago, I had posted one of my suggestions. My suggestion was to allot additional slots for teams like India and Pakistan. Rather than Indian players faking as UAE or German players, why can't the ICC allow Indian A, Indian U-23 or India U-19 squads in the ICC tournaments? But then their fake story of 100 countries playing cricket will be exposed.

That is a great point that you said. ICC is taking full advantage of having good relations with India. ICC is showing that there are a lot of countries playing cricket right now. But when in actuality it is just Indian people looking for a job abroad and taking up cricket as that job. It is really true that they are not passionate at all about cricket. They are just looking for money and they got a chance to play for such countries which is actually a dream for them financially. Because if they wanted to do any other work they would have had to work on a minimum wage. But in cricket, they are getting paid very well. India is also thinking that they already have a population problem. They are not being able to provide employment and that problem is also getting solved.

[Sithara007]

Cricket is growing on papers under this ICC management because they want to have better things through sponsors and media rights, so they are doing their tricks which are not helpful for the game and fans with now most chances they have no chance in IOC as well because their current policies are not helpful for allowing them into this event, and they are also having not solid strategy.

If we have 60 to 80 teams which are having adopted players from India and Pakistan with not domestic setup and facilities for their players which is not helpful for the game, but just few players are having better things for themselves as many times mentioned they need to work on minimum 4 or 5 native players can bring better interest but no one going to listen this.

I am against allowing even a single foreigner in national teams. What is the point in having a "national" team, if the citizens of other countries are allowed to participate? But I agree with your suggestion that having 5-6 native players in the XI would be a good starting point. And regarding inclusion of cricket in Olympics, I guess it is not going to happen for the next 20 years. The ICC guys give an impression that they want that to happen, but in reality they are not taking any steps to realize that objective. A few months back, there was an announcement from the IOC that the ICC hasn't responded to their queries.

[JSRAW]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

[TheGreatPython]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This change was expecting because as things were going in last few years surely many more players will be done this same specially from top boards because now playing for national team is never been profitable for players, so they need to think about this which will bring good changes from boards as well as having legislation about this all.

First we have from West Indian players now from English and soon will be others even I am not afraid about Indians because they have enough money from IPL, but changes are never been stoppable by anyone and as we are having few good leagues like in the USA, UAE and few more countries many international players will be on verge of Roy line, and we will have steps for going like soccer and reduction in other formats as well.

[Sithara007]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This was expected after the new ICC revenue distribution model. BCCI now has annual revenues totaling $2 billion (from media rights and ICC allocation). None of the other countries comes close. ECB has an annual revenue equaling to 1/20th of that of the BCCI. It is just a matter of time before the BCCI, with the help from IPL franchises take over global cricket. Anyway, I am glad that the ECB is getting some of their own medicine. Giles Clarke was one of the chief architects of the pig-3 model back in 2015, along with Srinivsan and Wally Edwards.

[JSRAW]

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ECB's revenue almost tripled so i don't think that's a valid argument.

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This change was expecting because as things were going in last few years surely many more players will be done this same specially from top boards because now playing for national team is never been profitable for players, so they need to think about this which will bring good changes from boards as well as having legislation about this all.

First we have from West Indian players now from English and soon will be others even I am not afraid about Indians because they have enough money from IPL, but changes are never been stoppable by anyone and as we are having few good leagues like in the USA, UAE and few more countries many international players will be on verge of Roy line, and we will have steps for going like soccer and reduction in other formats as well.

It's still a work in progress theory but writing on the wall for everyone to see.

I reckon single format players (white ball) are more vulnerable in this situation, vulnerable from the cricket board's POV not players or franchise. Trent Boult already said no to the central contract btw.

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jason roy's statement on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JasonRoy20/status/1661754570459205634

[fuguebtc]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.
I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This was expected after the new ICC revenue distribution model. BCCI now has annual revenues totaling $2 billion (from media rights and ICC allocation). None of the other countries comes close. ECB has an annual revenue equaling to 1/20th of that of the BCCI. It is just a matter of time before the BCCI, with the help from IPL franchises take over global cricket. Anyway, I am glad that the ECB is getting some of their own medicine. Giles Clarke was one of the chief architects of the pig-3 model back in 2015, along with Srinivsan and Wally Edwards.

Or maybe it could be that they are not finding good revenue and that's why they are actually not that much interested and also invested in cricket right now. Of course they are also seeing that they are not being able to replicate the type of success that India is getting from the IPL. At the same time, it is also better for England to actually concentrate on football because the English Premier League is doing absolutely wonderfully right now. And with the decreasing popularity of cricket, I will say it is going to be a smart decision.

[Sithara007]

Or maybe it could be that they are not finding good revenue and that's why they are actually not that much interested and also invested in cricket right now. Of course they are also seeing that they are not being able to replicate the type of success that India is getting from the IPL. At the same time, it is also better for England to actually concentrate on football because the English Premier League is doing absolutely wonderfully right now. And with the decreasing popularity of cricket, I will say it is going to be a smart decision.

Two decades ago, the ECB admitted that popularity of cricket was going down at an alarming rate. But then they came up with the T20 format (ECB was the board that first setup a T20 competition in domestic cricket), and this helped them to stem the tide for sometime. But now once again, the popularity seems to be declining and it is being reflected in the media rights auctions. Similar to the case with other countries, cricket in England is transforming to a sport that is primarily being played by the South Asian diaspora. Maybe within the next two decades, the England national side will be majority South Asian.

[JSRAW]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

[Sithara007]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

[JSRAW]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

[justdimin]

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah I agree, Jason Roy doing many more can do as well but if ECB and other boards go ahead about this issue and work on better policy then surely things can go positive for both parties because if we have started this surely it's going to hurt many boards especially West indies and many issues could be in line for having problems so now it's good time to sit and talk about these all before get into too late.

IPL is money bank for the players, but it's all depend on BCCI policy as well because if they will allow then players will be able to join otherwise if they ban any country like Pakistan then surely things could be not good for the players increasing funding and also offloading burden are also talk able specially in England where things are never been good for players with mostly have injuries or too much work load in country seasons as well.

[wiss19]

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

No one going to remind them about these all because they don't like things like these which were hurting others in past and now creating problems for them, but now it's time for them to have changed their system and policies if they want alive in this game otherwise things could be gone from bad to worse for them, and they will be completely useless in coming years specially if we have good franchise leagues in Gulf region then surely many countries will be suffered with this all due to infrastructure and money which are they providing players.

Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.