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September 28, 2017, 06:36:39 PM
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Is there anyone here that got their claim accepted, is a non-us citizen and knows what we should put for the part II of the W-8 BEN from?
surely whatever funds that are eventually returned to us aren't subject to any tax?

Do you think its worth emailing the lawyers for clarification?

Claim accepted, non-us citizen:

I only filled in what country i reside in (Part II, 9)

For Part II, 10: I left it open as for it's not applicable for our case.



4Power

For everyone who is struggeling with the W-8BEN Form (especially as a German):

I just finished filling it out with some help of my lawyer.
So you have to fill in accordingly:

Everything should be filled out with -> UPPER CASE LETTERS <-
Remember that the US can't handle ß,ä,ö and ü. Use SS, AE, OE and UE instead.

Part I
1. First name Last name (Last name = family name)
2. Country (GERMANY)
3.1 Address. Use STR. instead of STREET/STRAẞE
3.2 City + , + Post ID. (EXAMPLETOWN , 12345)
3.3 Country
4. Stays empty
5. Stays empty
6. Tax ID (in German: Steuer Identifikationsnummer)
7. Claim number (put your claim number in that you recieved per e-mail)
8. Date of birth. Remember: The U.S. uses a different order! Its Month - Day - Year, so 20. of January 1990 would be 01-20-1990
Part II
9. I certify that the beneficial owner is a resident of -> GERMANY <- ...
10. Special rates and conditions.
     My lawyer told me what i should put in there. You can use that if you are from germany, but i guess it would be different for other nations.
     "The beneficial owner is claiming the provisions of Article and paragraph 4 - 1 of the treaty identified on line 9 above to claim a
     0% rate of withholding on (specify type of income): CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, OTHER INCOME
     Explain the additional conditions in the Article and paragraph the beneficial owner m to be eligible for the rate of withholding:
     UNDER ARTICLE 4 OF THE U.S. / GERMANY INCOME TAX TREATY I AM LIABLE TO GERMAN INCOME TAX BASED ON MY DOMICILE;
     RESIDENCE AND CITIZENSHIP. UNDER SEC 894.20 I AM ENTITLED TO US INCOME TAX TREATY BENEFITS AS ALL MY INCOME IS 100%
     TAXABLE IN GERMANY.


At the bottom, sign with your name, below you also have to write your signature in big letters again.
On the right the date, again like 09-29-2017.

Then make a copy of your government ID, drivers license or passport.
Also include a copy of the Cryptsy Settlement Determination Notice which you got per e-mail.

Send these 3 things via certified mail with return receipt (German: Einschreiben) to the address stated in the Determination Notice.
That's it Smiley

Hope i could help someone, this lawyer cost me 120€ to fill this damn thing out correctly Cheesy
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September 28, 2017, 07:49:27 PM
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Thanks for sharing.   Wink
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September 29, 2017, 06:33:25 AM
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September 30, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
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Hello guys! I received an email letter from cryptsysettlement. But honestly, noticed it just now. They ask me to send them "W-8 form". But i can't figure out should i send it via email or i have to send it by post mail?  Huh I would be grateful if someone explain it to me. Sorry for this noob question!
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September 30, 2017, 05:07:58 PM
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Hello guys! I received an email letter from cryptsysettlement. But honestly, noticed it just now. They ask me to send them "W-8 form". But i can't figure out should i send it via email or i have to send it by post mail?  Huh I would be grateful if someone explain it to me. Sorry for this noob question!

Send it via certified mail with a return receipt.
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September 30, 2017, 05:12:44 PM
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Why are you still trusting in this exchangers that nobody knows a sh1t about them? i dont understand it, there are better options to put your money insted of this one. I used cryptsy a long time ago for making a trade, and it was an awful experience, it was so buggy and it took me more than 2 hours to exchange only one coin.. Anyway, good luck with all of those who are still trying to withdraw their money.


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September 30, 2017, 11:41:44 PM
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Hello guys! I received an email letter from cryptsysettlement. But honestly, noticed it just now. They ask me to send them "W-8 form". But i can't figure out should i send it via email or i have to send it by post mail?  Huh I would be grateful if someone explain it to me. Sorry for this noob question!

Send it via certified mail with a return receipt.
Ok, got it. Thanks for your help! How do you think, it's not a bad decision if i will send it by email, too?

Why are you still trusting in this exchangers that nobody knows a sh1t about them? i dont understand it, there are better options to put your money insted of this one. I used cryptsy a long time ago for making a trade, and it was an awful experience, it was so buggy and it took me more than 2 hours to exchange only one coin.. Anyway, good luck with all of those who are still trying to withdraw their money.

Cryptsy scammed long time ago. We're trying to get something through the courts. Lost here more than 30 eth.
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Why are you still trusting in this exchangers that nobody knows a sh1t about them? i dont understand it, there are better options to put your money insted of this one. I used cryptsy a long time ago for making a trade, and it was an awful experience, it was so buggy and it took me more than 2 hours to exchange only one coin.. Anyway, good luck with all of those who are still trying to withdraw their money.


Where have you been?

Go back to sleep, Rip Van Crypto.  Tongue
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October 01, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
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I would like to thank Horus for helping me write a very professional looking contest letter.


Horus was one of the key figures of this scam..he knew what was happening two years before cryptsy closed. Cool
 ~he's likely helping LEO collect even more evidence about cryptsy/silk road users,,, not helping you get anything back! lol

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October 01, 2017, 02:09:58 PM
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Did anyone receive a further confirmation after sending the form through postal mail?
From the tracking I can see that it has arrived and was signed for but no further news after that.
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October 01, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
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Is there anyone here that got their claim accepted, is a non-us citizen and knows what we should put for the part II of the W-8 BEN from?
surely whatever funds that are eventually returned to us aren't subject to any tax?

Do you think its worth emailing the lawyers for clarification?

Claim accepted, non-us citizen:

I only filled in what country i reside in (Part II, 9)

For Part II, 10: I left it open as for it's not applicable for our case.



4Power

For everyone who is struggeling with the W-8BEN Form (especially as a German):

I just finished filling it out with some help of my lawyer.
So you have to fill in accordingly:

Everything should be filled out with -> UPPER CASE LETTERS <-
Remember that the US can't handle ß,ä,ö and ü. Use SS, AE, OE and UE instead.

Part I
1. First name Last name (Last name = family name)
2. Country (GERMANY)
3.1 Address. Use STR. instead of STREET/STRAẞE
3.2 City + , + Post ID. (EXAMPLETOWN , 12345)
3.3 Country
4. Stays empty
5. Stays empty
6. Tax ID (in German: Steuer Identifikationsnummer)
7. Claim number (put your claim number in that you recieved per e-mail)
8. Date of birth. Remember: The U.S. uses a different order! Its Month - Day - Year, so 20. of January 1990 would be 01-20-1990
Part II
9. I certify that the beneficial owner is a resident of -> GERMANY <- ...
10. Special rates and conditions.
     My lawyer told me what i should put in there. You can use that if you are from germany, but i guess it would be different for other nations.
     "The beneficial owner is claiming the provisions of Article and paragraph 4 - 1 of the treaty identified on line 9 above to claim a
     0% rate of withholding on (specify type of income): CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT, OTHER INCOME
     Explain the additional conditions in the Article and paragraph the beneficial owner m to be eligible for the rate of withholding:
     UNDER ARTICLE 4 OF THE U.S. / GERMANY INCOME TAX TREATY I AM LIABLE TO GERMAN INCOME TAX BASED ON MY DOMICILE;
     RESIDENCE AND CITIZENSHIP. UNDER SEC 894.20 I AM ENTITLED TO US INCOME TAX TREATY BENEFITS AS ALL MY INCOME IS 100%
     TAXABLE IN GERMANY.


At the bottom, sign with your name, below you also have to write your signature in big letters again.
On the right the date, again like 09-29-2017.

Then make a copy of your government ID, drivers license or passport.
Also include a copy of the Cryptsy Settlement Determination Notice which you got per e-mail.

Send these 3 things via certified mail with return receipt (German: Einschreiben) to the address stated in the Determination Notice.
That's it Smiley

Hope i could help someone, this lawyer cost me 120€ to fill this damn thing out correctly Cheesy

As a resident of the UK, how transferable is what you have for part II 10.? Is it simply a case of swapping out the relevant part of the US/UK tax treaty? I Imagine that it is fairly similar to the US/GER treaty. Any help would be appreciated,
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As a resident of the UK, how transferable is what you have for part II 10.? Is it simply a case of swapping out the relevant part of the US/UK tax treaty? I Imagine that it is fairly similar to the US/GER treaty. Any help would be appreciated,
Cheers

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I discovered that the USA/Japan treaty has the same basic section format (ie Article 4-1 is the same) although the wording changes a little of course. Possibly it's a common layout for tax treaties.
If you google the German treaty & the UK treaty separately just compare the wording and make the necessary changes. The key parts of the treaty (as per what GeneralYeah's lawyer wrote) seem to be the Articles which (i) determine residency and (ii) the "other income" section.

Also, pay attention to details is important. For example, I am not a Japanese citizen, so I deleted "citizenship" from the 2nd part of #10.
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October 02, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
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Does anyone have any idea how many cents in the dollar we should expect back from this class action? I haven't seen any breakdown of accepted claims vs total assets anywhere.
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I have jumped into Bitcoin world like one month ago. I wasn't really involved with the any Cryptsy shit. And maybe this is really not necessary but i am really enjoying reading this topic... Even if there is 512 pages... I am on 71 currently... All upside downs, funny replies, trolls, false accusations, proofs, identity chase... This topic is really amusing.... Thank you! Hopefully in next 4-5 days i will read everything Cheesy
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October 02, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
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Does anyone have any idea how many cents in the dollar we should expect back from this class action? I haven't seen any breakdown of accepted claims vs total assets anywhere.

They couldn't do that at least until after October 5th, when approved Claimants must submit the IRS. form etc.

Even then, I doubt we'll know right away.

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Does anyone have any idea how many cents in the dollar we should expect back from this class action? I haven't seen any breakdown of accepted claims vs total assets anywhere.

They couldn't do that at least until after October 5th, when approved Claimants must submit the IRS. form etc.

Even then, I doubt we'll know right away.


if it is 1000 claims you may get $1500

I think total assets were $2000000

minus lawyer fees of at least 25%

speculation but all i got

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I have jumped into Bitcoin world like one month ago. I wasn't really involved with the any Cryptsy shit. And maybe this is really not necessary but i am really enjoying reading this topic... Even if there is 512 pages... I am on 71 currently... All upside downs, funny replies, trolls, false accusations, proofs, identity chase... This topic is really amusing.... Thank you! Hopefully in next 4-5 days i will read everything Cheesy

So glad that our collective loss of millions of coins is amusing you.

Hopefully in 4-5 days, you will get a clue.
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I have jumped into Bitcoin world like one month ago. I wasn't really involved with the any Cryptsy shit. And maybe this is really not necessary but i am really enjoying reading this topic... Even if there is 512 pages... I am on 71 currently... All upside downs, funny replies, trolls, false accusations, proofs, identity chase... This topic is really amusing.... Thank you! Hopefully in next 4-5 days i will read everything Cheesy

So glad that our collective loss of millions of coins is amusing you.

Hopefully in 4-5 days, you will get a clue.

Well its not so amusing from that point of view. But maybe something from that will come good - Learn which exchanges to trust and how to behave when shit STARTS hitting the fan, and not waiting for Mt Gox shit to happens(totally disappear from face of the Earth). In other words be careful
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I have jumped into Bitcoin world like one month ago. I wasn't really involved with the any Cryptsy shit. And maybe this is really not necessary but i am really enjoying reading this topic... Even if there is 512 pages... I am on 71 currently... All upside downs, funny replies, trolls, false accusations, proofs, identity chase... This topic is really amusing.... Thank you! Hopefully in next 4-5 days i will read everything Cheesy

So glad that our collective loss of millions of coins is amusing you.

Hopefully in 4-5 days, you will get a clue.

Well its not so amusing from that point of view. But maybe something from that will come good - Learn which exchanges to trust and how to behave when shit STARTS hitting the fan, and not waiting for Mt Gox shit to happens(totally disappear from face of the Earth). In other words be careful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pQhIPXIqqQ&feature=youtu.be&t=402
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October 03, 2017, 12:56:10 AM
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I have jumped into Bitcoin world like one month ago. I wasn't really involved with the any Cryptsy shit. And maybe this is really not necessary but i am really enjoying reading this topic... Even if there is 512 pages... I am on 71 currently... All upside downs, funny replies, trolls, false accusations, proofs, identity chase... This topic is really amusing.... Thank you! Hopefully in next 4-5 days i will read everything Cheesy

So glad that our collective loss of millions of coins is amusing you.

Hopefully in 4-5 days, you will get a clue.




i fucking amuse you?   Cool   haa

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