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November 28, 2013, 12:08:09 AM
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https://github.com/KnCMiner/meta-kncminer/commit/daf4525e6e8d446c091418ce41a886c514762443

they are using Ericsson DC/DC modules. That's why the firmaware is called 0.99-E


yeah ericsson, i like ericsson they had nice cellphones in the 90s

lol .. they were cool you're right.

among other things, ericsson provides and operates telecommunications networks and they even managed to give birth to erlang Tongue

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November 28, 2013, 12:17:07 AM
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Just received my Jupiter (of course coolers fell during transport but no other problem) and i want to ask 'Orama if are we supposed to remove the new metal thing that's right on top of the controller or it's there for improved airflow. I guess not, but i want to be sure.

Hashing at ~672GH (started a few minutes ago)! Thank you KnC!

congrat!

wattage at the wall ?

 

I don't have anything to measure. I will try to get something next week.


nice! do you have that "Turbo Mode" they talked about?

Not yet, but the firmware is 0.99-E.

CYPER really don't feel like posting pics(maybe in the weekend), but it's the same as previous ones, the only thing that's change is a metal stuff inside that's somehow blocking the lower half of the front coolers, but it's 4-5 cm away from them and they changed the bloody VRMs Cheesy They are different now.

Edit: 677-678GH in cgminer / 674GH in pool / low HW.

Is there any way to dump the firmware to a file?

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November 28, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
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They may be heading to more power hungry rigs, but we don't know how power hungry yet. Even 2kw isn't anything more than a small electric fire which many homes run ...most small home miners won't be running 10 neptunes, maybe 2 or three max? No problem really as long as they pay their bills.
The problem for competitors, apart from trust and proven hardware is price.. can they compete with the price per Gh? Seriously doubt that unless someone new like KNC appear, which could happen.

KNC have been very clever at marketing and timing , I'd bet they have destroyed some companies like BFL completely. No tears there though eh? Smiley

I think the power issue isn't so much paying the bill, but the wiring involved. Most US houses these days, you might be able to squeeze out 2..MAYBE 4kw circuit. Beyond that you need subpanels, and ideally dedicated panels. Most folks won't do that unless they're already balls deep (like Phoenix for example).

Personally, let's say I could only support 2kw, I'd feel almost ill owning a miner which can only do 3TH because of the limitation, knowing that if I had more power it could go twice as fast. It's like paying 2x as much for a miner than you need to. I have a feeling the Neptune will be able to hit 5 or 6TH in the right conditions.

Yes, KNC has done well with their timing. I also point to their 'protect the network' claim as part of this. They're using it as an excuse for timing, but to save themselves from a bad reputation regarding time-to-market (such as what befell BFL).

Let me chime in on the power a bit. My father is an electrician (well, was, he's a few days shy of 75 years old now Smiley ) and I learned this stuff rather thoroughly growing up. If you live in a rental apartment, this is useless to you, but if you live in your own house or in a rented house with property, it probably isn't.

Firstly, there is nothing magical about this, and the equipment is cheap by comparison to what you are spending on a single miner. You can easily install almost everything by yourself with tools you can buy at walmart and equipment that you can get at Lowes or Home Depot, practically everywhere in the country. I am not familiar with the retailers for DIY stuff in the rest of the world, but I would imagine that it's not too hard in most developed countries.

If you have a shed, you can make it your mining shack. Add a 200 amp service panel, wire it for 240/120 which it's largely preconfigured for anyway. I recommend twelve guage wire, though 14 meets code for 15 amp circuits. 12 is only marginally more expensive, and is legit for 20 amp circuits. This, in a small shed, is a day's work if you've never done it before. There are a number of DIY books out there, the oldest still in publication being "wiring simplified", which I learned from at my Dad's orders when I was seven years old. It's technical enough, but not over the top. There are many others. You will want one 15 amp circuit for lights, coffee pot, etcetera, and probably want the rest to be 20 amp or 30 amp 240v RMS circuits. You're only talking five or six breakers here, unless you are trying to run 10 or more miners. In that case, go to 300 amp. Then, establish a separate account to that shed with your utility company. They will supply the meter, you just have to have the wiring in place and in most places have it inspected by a local official. If you can handle the fine work for an electronic device, you can wire a panel and the branch circuits in your sleep. This is monkey work after you've done it a few times. Apprentices do almost all of this sort of work on major projects, with the journeymen supervising and doing some of the more complex stuff, especially industrial. The last time I wired up a panel and ten branch circuits was about ten years back, helping a friend update his house. The only hard part was running wire inside existing walls. You won't have that problem doing it in a shed, just run 'em in the open and fasten the wires down real tight. It took me about ten hours doing it on a remodel. In the open, it would have been maybe three.

There are several advantages to this approach. One, you have dedicated power. No line spikes from the heater coming on, or the stove, etcetera. Two, your power bill for the mining rig is easily accountable as it is it's own bill. Three, any wiring problems will be EASILY traced, as the wiring is right in the open, and four, the cost of the equipment is cheap by comparison. Maybe a thousand dollars, if you don't watch for sales and discounts.

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November 28, 2013, 12:23:49 AM
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Please photos
To see the new November Jupiter
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Can you point your miner to my poolworker for some hours? Grin Grin Grin Grin


Post pool and worker/pass.


https://github.com/KnCMiner/meta-kncminer/commit/daf4525e6e8d446c091418ce41a886c514762443

they are using Ericsson DC/DC modules. That's why the firmaware is called 0.99-E


I thought i see a known logo but i was too anxious powering it up. Ericsson 1 - GE 0.

Is there any way to dump the firmware to a file?

No idea. If someone else points me to it i would gladly do it.

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November 28, 2013, 12:57:02 AM
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They may be heading to more power hungry rigs, but we don't know how power hungry yet. Even 2kw isn't anything more than a small electric fire which many homes run ...most small home miners won't be running 10 neptunes, maybe 2 or three max? No problem really as long as they pay their bills.
The problem for competitors, apart from trust and proven hardware is price.. can they compete with the price per Gh? Seriously doubt that unless someone new like KNC appear, which could happen.

KNC have been very clever at marketing and timing , I'd bet they have destroyed some companies like BFL completely. No tears there though eh? Smiley

I think the power issue isn't so much paying the bill, but the wiring involved. Most US houses these days, you might be able to squeeze out 2..MAYBE 4kw circuit. Beyond that you need subpanels, and ideally dedicated panels. Most folks won't do that unless they're already balls deep (like Phoenix for example).

Personally, let's say I could only support 2kw, I'd feel almost ill owning a miner which can only do 3TH because of the limitation, knowing that if I had more power it could go twice as fast. It's like paying 2x as much for a miner than you need to. I have a feeling the Neptune will be able to hit 5 or 6TH in the right conditions.

Yes, KNC has done well with their timing. I also point to their 'protect the network' claim as part of this. They're using it as an excuse for timing, but to save themselves from a bad reputation regarding time-to-market (such as what befell BFL).

Let me chime in on the power a bit. My father is an electrician (well, was, he's a few days shy of 75 years old now Smiley ) and I learned this stuff rather thoroughly growing up. If you live in a rental apartment, this is useless to you, but if you live in your own house or in a rented house with property, it probably isn't.

Firstly, there is nothing magical about this, and the equipment is cheap by comparison to what you are spending on a single miner. You can easily install almost everything by yourself with tools you can buy at walmart and equipment that you can get at Lowes or Home Depot, practically everywhere in the country. I am not familiar with the retailers for DIY stuff in the rest of the world, but I would imagine that it's not too hard in most developed countries.

If you have a shed, you can make it your mining shack. Add a 200 amp service panel, wire it for 240/120 which it's largely preconfigured for anyway. I recommend twelve guage wire, though 14 meets code for 15 amp circuits. 12 is only marginally more expensive, and is legit for 20 amp circuits. This, in a small shed, is a day's work if you've never done it before. There are a number of DIY books out there, the oldest still in publication being "wiring simplified", which I learned from at my Dad's orders when I was seven years old. It's technical enough, but not over the top. There are many others. You will want one 15 amp circuit for lights, coffee pot, etcetera, and probably want the rest to be 20 amp or 30 amp 240v RMS circuits. You're only talking five or six breakers here, unless you are trying to run 10 or more miners. In that case, go to 300 amp. Then, establish a separate account to that shed with your utility company. They will supply the meter, you just have to have the wiring in place and in most places have it inspected by a local official. If you can handle the fine work for an electronic device, you can wire a panel and the branch circuits in your sleep. This is monkey work after you've done it a few times. Apprentices do almost all of this sort of work on major projects, with the journeymen supervising and doing some of the more complex stuff, especially industrial. The last time I wired up a panel and ten branch circuits was about ten years back, helping a friend update his house. The only hard part was running wire inside existing walls. You won't have that problem doing it in a shed, just run 'em in the open and fasten the wires down real tight. It took me about ten hours doing it on a remodel. In the open, it would have been maybe three.

There are several advantages to this approach. One, you have dedicated power. No line spikes from the heater coming on, or the stove, etcetera. Two, your power bill for the mining rig is easily accountable as it is it's own bill. Three, any wiring problems will be EASILY traced, as the wiring is right in the open, and four, the cost of the equipment is cheap by comparison. Maybe a thousand dollars, if you don't watch for sales and discounts.



When I first go into mining earlier this year, I had my buddy who is an electrician put a separate 100 AMP sub panel with a bunch of 20 AMP breakers in my basement. I had plans of building a medium sized GPU farm, but ASIC devices and the heat GPUs create put an end to that plan fairly fast. I had no idea that this separate panel would come in handy for ASIC devices so soon. Adding the extra sub panel cost less than $500 including parts and labor, but my buddy did give me a good deal on the labor cost.

It's not that expensive to add a separate sub-panel to power a couple of Neptunes...
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November 28, 2013, 12:57:16 AM
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I am trying several avenues to raise revenue, and when I get it I'll buy KnC if at all possible. I like the company, can forgive their warts as they are overall pretty small, and I want them to succeed. For several reasons. One of them being Bitcoinorama who was very kind and very informative to a newbie even before his association with KnC.




I feel for you man,  I wish you had a chance to run up some 0% credit cards last summer like I did...  seems like KNC won't take CC anymore so the days of turning free money into digital is over on these shores  (or I would buy a neptune or two no doubt...   the expansion modules for BTC I didn't mind though, that was nice and quick turnaround)


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November 28, 2013, 01:45:19 AM
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LTC made me some good returns in the last few days and thinking of buying a few more neptunes.  if someone wants me to use their reseller ID, thinking of buying 2 or 3 more.  Open to giving me .5 BTC for each use of the reseller id?  Considering that the free one is 10% off, each link should be worth about 1BTC...  asking for 1/2 that should be reasonable.

Hit me up if interested.
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November 28, 2013, 01:58:12 AM
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LTC made me some good returns in the last few days and thinking of buying a few more neptunes.  if someone wants me to use their reseller ID, thinking of buying 2 or 3 more.  Open to giving me .5 BTC for each use of the reseller id?  Considering that the free one is 10% off, each link should be worth about 1BTC...  asking for 1/2 that should be reasonable.

Hit me up if interested.


https://www.kncminer.com/?resellerid=277

I have bought 3 neptunes, I will do the same like others. If you want? Grin

If we got 10, then for every piece 10% Hashpower - Pool = ghash.io
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Hmm. Jup hashing at 670s, I thought the theoretical max was 144 per board? Seems not?

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November 28, 2013, 02:13:45 AM
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Hmm. Jup hashing at 570s, I thought the theoretical max was 144 per board? Seems not?

which batch? November?

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Hmm. Jup hashing at 570s, I thought the theoretical max was 144 per board? Seems not?

which batch? November?

Yeah, Nov..the one mentioned today just delivered...typo sorry, meant 670 Smiley

Also wondering, anyone still mining altcoins and finding it worthy of the effort?

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November 28, 2013, 02:30:07 AM
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Hmm. Jup hashing at 570s Shocked Shocked, I thought the theoretical max was 144 per board? Seems not?

which batch? November?

Yeah, Nov..the one mentioned today just delivered...typo sorry, meant 670

Also wondering, anyone still mining altcoins and finding it worthy of the effort?
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did you install the bertmod 98, i think it will work?

Can you make an cat of this file:

cat /sbin/monitordcdc

also this:

cat /etc/init.d/cgminer.sh

and this:
cat /etc/init.d/initc.sh


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November 28, 2013, 03:07:22 AM
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Hmm. Jup hashing at 570s, I thought the theoretical max was 144 per board? Seems not?

which batch? November?

Yeah, Nov..the one mentioned today just delivered...typo sorry, meant 670 Smiley

Also wondering, anyone still mining altcoins and finding it worthy of the effort?

are you serious?   Some coins at the moment are 3000% more profitable than BTC.

http://www.coinchoose.com/

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November 28, 2013, 03:15:55 AM
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Some coins at the moment are 3000% more profitable than BTC.

http://www.coinchoose.com/

More profitable than GPU mining. Not ASIC mining!

Buy & Hold
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November 28, 2013, 03:20:31 AM
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PeerCoin is often more profitable than bitcoins, except that it's daily volume is very low.
If you let a few ASIC based miners work on it for a week, you'll probably not be able to trade at an advantageous rate with bitcoins, because you'll plummet its value by flooding the market.
So no, if you have a SHA256 based ASIC miner, bitcoin is the only way to go.
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November 28, 2013, 03:21:37 AM
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LTC made me some good returns in the last few days and thinking of buying a few more neptunes.  if someone wants me to use their reseller ID, thinking of buying 2 or 3 more.  Open to giving me .5 BTC for each use of the reseller id?  Considering that the free one is 10% off, each link should be worth about 1BTC...  asking for 1/2 that should be reasonable.

Hit me up if interested.


https://www.kncminer.com/?resellerid=277

I have bought 3 neptunes, I will do the same like others. If you want? Grin

If we got 10, then for every piece 10% Hashpower - Pool = ghash.io
Every shareholder 10% per piece!

you can check my profile on ebay send me an pm.

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I keep seeing these reseller links that go nowhere, are they just used that quickly or is it just a joke to make me check the link? Smiley
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LTC made me some good returns in the last few days and thinking of buying a few more neptunes.  if someone wants me to use their reseller ID, thinking of buying 2 or 3 more.  Open to giving me .5 BTC for each use of the reseller id?  Considering that the free one is 10% off, each link should be worth about 1BTC...  asking for 1/2 that should be reasonable.

Hit me up if interested.


https://www.kncminer.com/?resellerid=277

I have bought 3 neptunes, I will do the same like others. If you want? Grin

If we got 10, then for every piece 10% Hashpower - Pool = ghash.io
Every shareholder 10% per piece!

you can check my profile on ebay send me an pm.

thx

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I keep seeing these reseller links that go nowhere, are they just used that quickly or is it just a joke to make me check the link? Smiley

They work if your account is logged in onknc

Then under miner hardware you will see the option to buy,
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I am guessing the link is done then, I still see no option to purchase.
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November 28, 2013, 03:57:02 AM
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I am guessing the link is done then, I still see no option to purchase.


its still there for me....
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