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November 25, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
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A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.
Mine says the same and its order 102xx

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November 25, 2013, 07:20:57 PM
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A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.
Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

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November 25, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
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COOL, I just noticed they only mention a single model...."Neptune"
This will solve many of the issues selling smaller machines... and make Customer service a breeze!! I really hope that's what it means!...

Heh, I hope Neptune "IS" the smaller model Cheesy

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November 25, 2013, 07:23:52 PM
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COOL, I just noticed they only mention a single model...."Neptune"
This will solve many of the issues selling smaller machines... and make Customer service a breeze!! I really hope that's what it means!...

Heh, I hope Neptune "IS" the smaller model Cheesy
Not a bad idea really......!  
one easy size & model to deal with.....


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November 25, 2013, 07:26:22 PM
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O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.



define commercial use ?

                               
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November 25, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
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A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.
Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

102xx and "Upgrade modules" I think they changed us to that group just before they had the flashmob sale of upgrade modules.

btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.

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November 25, 2013, 07:34:24 PM
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btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.
+1 on all points
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November 25, 2013, 07:35:43 PM
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No details. Coming SoonTM

Wow!  20nm AND early 2014!

That MUST be the "incoming news" announcement from 'orama.

Bingo!

Great news, 20nm!
Bad news 'Orders opening soon'!


Bitcoinorama, in hope I get not ignored I'd like to ask the following:

1) Why is the pre-order game continuing ?
     Didn't they collect enough money to fund the next gen ?!

2) Do you have to pay the full price when opening the order books or is it like pay 10-20% up front and then the rest when it's close to shipping...?

3) How much will they approximately cost ? Would be very nice to get a clue before you actually have to pay..

4) ANY advantage for the early investors who took a high risk and making KnCMiner's success possible in first place ?

5) Will there be another batch of upgrade boards for October gen ?

Thank you very much in advance for your answers!


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I don't think it will be a true 20nm ASIC, looking at how their 28nm compares to 55nm BitFury in speed/efficiency, I think they are using FPGA to ASIC HardCopying http://www.altera.co.uk/devices/asic/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-v/hcv-index.jsp

Even if they bring out a 20nm it's doubtful it will be anymore efficient than a true 28nm ASIC so they're no further along than the competition.

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November 25, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
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O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.



define commercial use ?

Commercial use means they will stand by their illegal ToS and will try not to be held responsible for warranty issues and losses incurred by delayed production. Same old same old.
And again with the preorder bullshit because if they let you make a normal order they have to deliver in time. All risks to the customers as well as the funding. That's the way to build lasting business relationships!

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November 25, 2013, 07:43:51 PM
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I don't think it will be a true 20nm ASIC, looking at how their 28nm compares to 55nm BitFury in speed/efficiency, I think they are using FPGA to ASIC HardCopying http://www.altera.co.uk/devices/asic/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-v/hcv-index.jsp

Even if they bring out a 20nm it's doubtful it will be anymore efficient than a true 28nm ASIC so they're no further along than the competition.

This is part of the reason I was a bit shocked with the claim, and the reason I pointed to commercial GPU's and other high-end products which favor 28 lately.

My 2 concerns with this would be the issues faced with 20nm tapeout, and firmware. The mercury's I've seen seem to have no issues whatsoever, but some Saturns and most Jupiters do, so it makes me wonder if they'll be able to stabilize the next generation before shipping.


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November 25, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
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great news they keep pace. The clock is ticking...




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O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.


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November 25, 2013, 08:11:14 PM
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Hello Jupiter Owners. (also other miners may pitch in as well)

Anyone got a Temperature reader/gun.

Any chance you could measure the Temperature of the PCI cables, seen another post for a Bitfury thingy where a PCI cable burnt out.

I have Just Measured mine, running at 28c, 30c , 35c , 40c. Measured where it connects to the Jupiter PCI-e extension cable.

Ambient Temp for the Room is 26c.

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November 25, 2013, 08:16:56 PM
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A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.
Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

102xx and "Upgrade modules" I think they changed us to that group just before they had the flashmob sale of upgrade modules.

btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.

Thanks all for the confirmaion.
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November 25, 2013, 09:01:04 PM
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O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.


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How late should I expect delivery of these products

Good question...  "Early 2014" is kinda what we already knew... and pretty vague...
but I do especially like "Orders opening Soon"....oyeah!...


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November 25, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
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The power line could be the problem indeed. As for PSU I'm using 2 X Enermax Maxrevo 1500W (gold), one powering the Jupiter, the other powering the 2 saturns. They have 4 12V rails available for PCI-e and I simply use one rail for each module.
My Jupiter runs just fine on 0.98.1 beta and it ran fine on 0.99 since release until today, when I found it running with all die #0 offline so i switched back to 0.98.1 beta. Just the 2 Saturns seems to have been affected. They still run "ok" with only die #0 offline on 0.98.
By the way, both PSU's are getting power from the same line.

By 4 rails for the PCI-E do you mean that not only are the individual 12v lines separate but that they have independent grounds?  Independent grounding could cause difficulties.



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November 25, 2013, 09:10:33 PM
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KnC is, and was apparently the only good choice in this market! Im excited about the news but it wont sink in until my Jupiter is up and running. This Thanksgiving I am thankful that it isnt a holiday in Sweden and KnC wont miss out on precious time getting the November orders all out!

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November 25, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
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My big question would be: is KNC going to offer any kind of discounts for the late October delivery customers, the ones that suffered the big losses? I mean, I personally paid $131200 at current exchange rate for 1Th/s

Learn to hedge.  That is an 'all-in' mentality that will always leave you chasing bets

Perhaps it would of been better to buy one Jupiter and keep the rest in BTC?  But then you probably would of sold that BTC a couple months ago when it doubled and then said more coulda shouldas



I'll be as honest as possible with my reply: I bought my miners first of all hoping to get a profit in BTC (I was terribly wrong, helped a bit by KNC production delays that were affecting the late customers much harder than the ones at the beginning of the queue) and secondly for the thrill of mining Smiley Kind of expensive caprice I'd say... I'm currently sitting on a nice amount of BTC that I started buying long ago, back when the exchange rate was abour $10/BTC. I still have NO intention to sell them as I strongly believe BTC is still going to get value.
If there are miners out there willing to take losses in BTC for the sake of $ gains, my offer still stands: send me 100 BTC now and I promise I'll send you back 60 BTC once the value of BTC doubles. No hassle, no electricity cost, no hardware failures!

This is the elephant in the room for us October buyers, if you paid in BTC, you will never see that BTC back or make any amount of profit if your hardware got delivered past October 15th. In fact if you bought BTC with what you paid for your miner, you would be much better off, except everyone seems to ignore this.

I really like mining, but I admit it would have been better to hold or buy that BTC at this point.
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November 25, 2013, 09:20:43 PM
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Best to pay in fiat, and keep your coins.  Look at the Trezor.  I ordered one of those, and now it's worth $800, and it hasn't even shipped yet.
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November 25, 2013, 09:20:55 PM
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Great news, 20nm!
Bad news 'Orders opening soon'!


Bitcoinorama, in hope I get not ignored I'd like to ask the following:

1) Why is the pre-order game continuing ?
     Didn't they collect enough money to fund the next gen ?!


Apparently not. To be blunt, and not sugar coat, the funding for 20nm is considerably greater than 28nm. If you are confident of your ability to deliver and the possibility exists to raise it, why wouldn't you? Would you rather they pay for it themselves and keep the tech for themselves? Mining for themselves? They want to be fair, but the are running a business, and the game is one of survival.


2) Do you have to pay the full price when opening the order books or is it like pay 10-20% up front and then the rest when it's close to shipping...?


Almost assuredly full price. No one is going to deal with chasing payments, especially after so many tried to game the VAT situation, by abstaining from payment and then complaining that they are at the back of the queue. Order queue is based in payment date.


3) How much will they approximately cost ? Would be very nice to get a clue before you actually have to pay..


Price will be released tomorrow, NRE is higher, consequently to remain competitive hashrate will have to be greater as well.


4) ANY advantage for the early investors who took a high risk and making KnCMiner's success possible in first place ?


This has been discussed and past customers will be given first refusal.


5) Will there be another batch of upgrade boards for October gen ?


Again this has been discussed, I won't make promises, depends on similar criteria to before.


Thank you very much in advance for your answers!


No worries bro, and I'm aware you have sent me a series of Q's in PMs, you are not the only one I will try to answer them shortly...

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