Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[RealMalatesta]

And regarding the individual: You can set up a company without capital, i.e. use the miner as capital. As long as the miner is not delivered, the company is not existing, thus, you still are a private person protected by consumer laws. If you ask for a refund, you stop being a possible business, i.e. you are again a consumer who's assets are not sent back in time.

Wow, that sentence contains so much incorrect information, I don't even know where to start.

Well, never heard of a "Personengesellschaft", I guess.

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[Collider]

Is the acceptable time for a refund stated in their TOS? If not, you could sue them for fraud but they would likely return your money in the meantime, getting them off the hook.

Ok i can understand the delivery, but you should be able to claim damages by late refund right? I mean since you are entitled to a refund and they drag it for more than 1 month there must be a way to claim damages from that.

You might be able to, however it would be an amount of around 1% per month, basically interest on your "loan", and therefore not really worth time and effort.

Again your chances might be higher if clear refund terms are stated in the TOS.

[RealMalatesta]

I think there is zero chance that the police will, without further investigation, conclude that KNC have acted fraudulently.

Due to different languages and different legal systems, we may not agree here. However, we could make a bet (since you seem to be British.. :-)

If KnC doesn't refund in time and I succeed to file a criminal case against them, you will send me 24 bottles of Belgium beer (Rochefort). If I do not succeed, I'll send you 24 bottles of a beer of your choice.

Deal?

[murraypaul]

And regarding the individual: You can set up a company without capital, i.e. use the miner as capital. As long as the miner is not delivered, the company is not existing, thus, you still are a private person protected by consumer laws. If you ask for a refund, you stop being a possible business, i.e. you are again a consumer who's assets are not sent back in time.

Wow, that sentence contains so much incorrect information, I don't even know where to start.

Well, never heard of a "Personengesellschaft", I guess.

It appears to be an English partnership.
So what? You agreed to contract out of consumer protection. It may be that you could successfully argue in court that you should be excused from that portion of the contract, and that you should be entitled to consumer protection, but until you do that, you aren't.
It matters not what legal status you are, it matters what contract you agreed, until you can have that contract modified.

[murraypaul]

I think there is zero chance that the police will, without further investigation, conclude that KNC have acted fraudulently.

Due to different languages and different legal systems, we may not agree here. However, we could make a bet (since you seem to be British.. :-)

If KnC doesn't refund in time and I succeed to file a criminal case against them, you will send me 24 bottles of Belgium beer (Rochefort). If I do not succeed, I'll send you 24 bottles of a beer of your choice.

(You can file a criminal case (make a complaint to the police) against anyone for anything, that doesn't mean that any notice will be taken of it or that it will have any effect).
If you manage to have a European Arrest Warrant issued for any of KNC's employees [for failing to refund your money within 30 days], I'll send you 100 bottles of Belgium beer.

[RealMalatesta]

I think there is zero chance that the police will, without further investigation, conclude that KNC have acted fraudulently.

Due to different languages and different legal systems, we may not agree here. However, we could make a bet (since you seem to be British.. :-)

If KnC doesn't refund in time and I succeed to file a criminal case against them, you will send me 24 bottles of Belgium beer (Rochefort). If I do not succeed, I'll send you 24 bottles of a beer of your choice.

(You can file a criminal case (make a complaint to the police) against anyone for anything, that doesn't mean that any notice will be taken of it or that it will have any effect).
If you manage to have a European Arrest Warrant issued for any of KNC's employees, I'll send you 100 bottles of Belgium beer.

100 bottles of Rochefort? Oh Lord, please make sure that KnC doesn't refund me within one month!!!! :-)

[The Avenger]

On page 1666, a deal with the devil is made - a bet on 100 bottles of Belgian beer. This thread finally got interesting again!

[Biffa]

On page 1666, a deal with the devil is made - a bet on 100 bottles of Belgian beer. This thread finally got interesting again!

@ £32 for 12 bottles, thats going to be £266.6 for 100!

[RoadStress]

I think there is zero chance that the police will, without further investigation, conclude that KNC have acted fraudulently.

Due to different languages and different legal systems, we may not agree here. However, we could make a bet (since you seem to be British.. :-)

If KnC doesn't refund in time and I succeed to file a criminal case against them, you will send me 24 bottles of Belgium beer (Rochefort). If I do not succeed, I'll send you 24 bottles of a beer of your choice.

(You can file a criminal case (make a complaint to the police) against anyone for anything, that doesn't mean that any notice will be taken of it or that it will have any effect).
If you manage to have a European Arrest Warrant issued for any of KNC's employees [for failing to refund your money within 30 days], I'll send you 100 bottles of Belgium beer.

Add 100 bottles of Belguim beer from me too

[The Avenger]

On page 1666, a deal with the devil is made - a bet on 100 bottles of Belgian beer. This thread finally got interesting again!

@ £32 for 12 bottles, thats going to be £266.6 for 100!

I'm pretty sure ( ) RealMalatesta meant the 750ml bottle, 9.2% alcohol:

http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-8-750ml

100 of those will set you back £775 

Shit just got real around here 

[raskul]

please discuss:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589423.new#new

[murraypaul]

On page 1666, a deal with the devil is made - a bet on 100 bottles of Belgian beer. This thread finally got interesting again!

@ £32 for 12 bottles, thats going to be £266.6 for 100!

I'm pretty sure ( ) RealMalatesta meant the 750ml bottle, 9.2% alcohol:

http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-8-750ml

100 of those will set you back £775 

They aren't sold in packs of 24, so I think I'm safe in assuming something like this: http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-10

[RealMalatesta]

On page 1666, a deal with the devil is made - a bet on 100 bottles of Belgian beer. This thread finally got interesting again!

@ £32 for 12 bottles, thats going to be £266.6 for 100!

I'm pretty sure ( ) RealMalatesta meant the 750ml bottle, 9.2% alcohol:

http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-8-750ml

100 of those will set you back £775 

They aren't sold in packs of 24, so I think I'm safe in assuming something like this: http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-10

Yup. That's the right stuff. If you should get them, I would drive to UK for then I could collect some of them :-.)

[The Avenger]

They aren't sold in packs of 24, so I think I'm safe in assuming something like this: http://www.beersofeurope.co.uk/trappistes-rochefort-10

Yup. That's the right stuff. If you should get them, I would drive to UK for then I could collect some of them :-.)

DEAL WITH THE DEVIL, page 1666 of the KNC thread 



Terms of the wager:

Due to different languages and different legal systems, we may not agree here. However, we could make a bet (since you seem to be British.. :-)

If KnC doesn't refund in time and I succeed to file a criminal case against them, you will send me 24 bottles of Belgium beer (Rochefort). If I do not succeed, I'll send you 24 bottles of a beer of your choice.

Deal?

(You can file a criminal case (make a complaint to the police) against anyone for anything, that doesn't mean that any notice will be taken of it or that it will have any effect).
If you manage to have a European Arrest Warrant issued for any of KNC's employees [for failing to refund your money within 30 days], I'll send you 100 bottles of Belgium beer.

24x bottles of a beer of murraypaul's choice
against
100x 330ml bottles of Trappistes Rochefort 10

Collection/delivery of beer to winner (if there is one) by mutual agreement.

Agreed?  

[Biodom]

This board is about to confirm Godwin's law.
technical stuff and money>bitching about KnC>beer>sex, including how f'ed we are>....

[jelin1984]

Almost one month
Before Knc must release the Neptune

[merv77]

KNC posted this on twitter

http://newsbtc.com/2014/04/24/photos-kncminers-hashing-data-center/

if i'm not mistaken, it looks like the ASIC PCB's and fans aren't fastened to anything, just gravity holding it together.  How's that for quick cheap setup.  
They probably know it's not going to last long and have to be replaced with new tech in the coming months.

[joeventura]

This board is about to confirm Godwin's law.
technical stuff and money>bitching about KnC>beer>sex, including how f'ed we are>....

HITLER!!!

I win!

[The Avenger]

This board is about to confirm Godwin's law.
technical stuff and money>bitching about KnC>beer>sex, including how f'ed we are>....

HITLER!!!

I win!

Wrong! 6 months too late (a bit like KNC  )

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg3304368#msg3304368

[joeventura]

This board is about to confirm Godwin's law.
technical stuff and money>bitching about KnC>beer>sex, including how f'ed we are>....

HITLER!!!

I win!

Wrong! 6 months too late (a bit like KNC  )

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg3304368#msg3304368

Damn Missed it by that much