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May 19, 2014, 01:29:05 PM
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after meeting orama, he was very short in hat he would say. he is of the opinion he owes no one anything, be that a thank you, a sorry or a explanation, he stopped working at KnC months agp but cannot really talk about it, he recons he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.
He owes me an apology or six for some of the rotten shit he said to me and about me last year.

since leaving KnC he has had nothing to do with bitcoin, why he was at the 2014 confrenece I don't know. basically he struck me as  a ittelegent guy but quite naive in his thinking. it was hard to.push him for answers, I suspect I very tight NDA keeping him quiet. while I was informing my friend David and trying to push on certain parts of.KnC's contempt and dishonesty, I could almost see Alex nodding in agreement, it was like I was watching the back of his head but knew this jaw and mouth were moving to mimic and copy the words I was speaking.

An NDA only covered technical and working for competition etc. He is quite capable of coming on here and expressing his opinion of his former employers. He doesn't need to say anything that's secret - he could reiterate what we all know about KNC breaking their promise not to mine more than 5% etc. It would be more valid from him as an ex-employee, so he could do a lot of good by coming out.

It shows a distinct lack of character to know how corrupt KNC are and say nothing about it and allow them to continue swindling and screwing people over. To me, his actions are just as bad as covering up for a rapist. It's spineless behaviour, but it's not unexpected. He was quite willing to turn his back on everyone on this forum he called friends to make money and be part of a corrupt company just to line his pockets.

To me, his behaviour was unconscionable and he deserves what he got. If you are going to be a whore for criminals, you gotta expect to get fucked too! I have no sympathy.

And as you point out, KNC's reputation is still very good (except in this thread). Just google their name and you get positive news articles in all kinds of mainstream media outlets. Also, check out social media like twitter and there is almost all positive (except the "KnCminer Scamming Titan Buyers?" http://asicscrypt.com/kncminer-scamming-buyers/ which has been retweeted a few times recently).

If people are unhappy with KNC, they should be getting their unhappiness out there beyond this very limited readership thread. If you were scammed on Frankenjup, you have every right to broadcast that and warn other people.

I give a lot of credit to people like RealMalatesta for trying to do this, including this I stumbled on through google:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/KnC-Miner/Boden-Select-StateProvince/KnC-Miner-KnC-20nm-AB-Not-delivering-goods-delivering-broken-goods-withholding-refunds-1146541

Help your crypto brothers out by exposing the crooks and fraudsters. Take it to the streets. While the spineless let the crooks continue their scams, any little thing you can do to show the world what KNC are really like and how they treat/scam their customers will help put an end to there corruption.

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May 19, 2014, 02:27:59 PM
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^-- Totally on point.

I've honestly never understood how folks at BFL and KNC go about their daily lives, and DON'T have contracts on their heads, much less legal battles going against them--especially KNC. It's surprising to me really. Seems like people here just get angry and bitch, but what if everyone got together as a collective and outlined the legal issues with KNC and then found a lawyer?

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May 19, 2014, 02:38:09 PM
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Even though, their pockets are full and if we win at the courts, it would be a decision against the corporation KNC and not against them, as persons. KNC would have nothing to give back at that time.

"Bye, bye all".

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May 19, 2014, 02:46:25 PM
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what are the ericson vrms rated at for temps? is 90c acceptable?

130°C according to KnC forum:

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/42741-kurt-asked-me-to-test-some-boards-thats-the-results?p=42746#post42746
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May 19, 2014, 02:55:09 PM
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Even though, their pockets are full and if we win at the courts, it would be a decision against the corporation KNC and not against them, as persons. KNC would have nothing to give back at that time.

"Bye, bye all".

They'd be ordered to pay back money and/or divide the current mining center up among the people who funded it. In other words, people would get what they deserved this whole time, and the hashrate wouldn't go up so you'd have a slight bonus relating to difficulty. And good riddance, do you really want them around any longer? They clearly don't care about the movement as much as their personal profits.

What's to say their ultimate goal isn't to crash bitcoin, and prop up another currency of their own?

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May 19, 2014, 03:03:54 PM
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I agree that they care only for their personal profits, but I am sure that they would not let anyone touch their assets, as EU legislation allows them to escape from such indebted to hell corporations.

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May 19, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
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don't worry, they really do not have good chipsets to ship to us so far, and in next months, about the so called data center, it is just a recycle arena for degrade chips, they just try to squeeze some juice from so called degrade chips, as super junk as the prove, soon will see their fall, fxxk~ take money from kind people and shit them with nothing but lie.



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May 19, 2014, 04:38:09 PM
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By the time the Neptunes come out in late June they will ROI about $1500,

when the "FREE" Neptune comes after 2nd batch in about early September they will ROI about $500 as difficulty will be 30 Billion by then.
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May 19, 2014, 05:19:12 PM
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elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!


... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

 Shocked They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  
Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.


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May 19, 2014, 05:44:34 PM
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Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.

The promise was Q1/2 ?
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Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.

The promise was Q1/2 ?
yes
q1 Jan feb march
q2 april May June  -  they have over 5 weeks still in Q2
q3 July Aug Sept
Q4 Oct Nov. Dec.


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May 19, 2014, 05:54:08 PM
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elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!


... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

 Shocked They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  
Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~

An if they do ic design so good, then why a lot of super junk ship out, it is really doubt and can't convince people.



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May 19, 2014, 05:56:04 PM
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elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!


... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

 Shocked They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  
Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~
Yeah, that's exactly what all the armchair experts said about Jupiter.
Get ready to be astounded.
You say KNC cant possibly do it, yet spondoolies already has it, and KNC has a record of good design success.



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May 19, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
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Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.

The promise was Q1/2 ?
yes
q1 Jan feb march
q2 april May June  -  they have over 5 weeks still in Q2
q3 July Aug Sept
Q4 Oct Nov. Dec.

According to Kurt the fat lady is still trying to decide what dress to wear for her gala nite.

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/40866-neptune-information-racking-etc/page2
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May 19, 2014, 06:02:03 PM
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elasticband, thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!


... he is due thousands from KnC and he got paid very little for his work.

 Shocked They rip off their own staff ?!
I feel bad for him.

KnC are really cheap bastards!

Oh~ fxxk, Can't believe this is a Swedish company, my all imagnation of knc was broken~

btw, as my guess, knc was make mistake on IC design, almost 9 months can have product for preorder customers, they might loose a lot of money on chip process, as estimate they might change design more than twice, so they might need to use flaw chip sets to dig bitcoin back, oh~ start to worrying about my preorder, and if they are fall, I might lost my cash.  
Granted, Things suck right now...but...
No, the chip designing is the one thing they do really well... it's just everything else!
and Neptunes have been on pre-order for about 6 months, not 9.
"losing your cash" was always a possibility, as in any investment purchase, it's not just KNC.
I also still believe they have a surprise or two coming up for those who endured by holding the Neptune orders.
Nothing is lost 'till "the fat lady sings", and she will be due on stage soon.
We shall see.
Good luck.

trust me, the spec of ic they offered is too good to be true, it simple not possible accomplish with current ic process, unless they us 3D ic concept, then that will be a big surprise, but may be took another 9 months to go, so useless~
Yeah, that's exactly what all the armchair experts said about Jupiter.
Get ready to be astounded.

yes, another 9 month to go, i do astounded by this~ cheers Grin

also take an example of spondoolies is meaning less, we are talking knc here, the one who I'd really trusted brand and get me a little dis-pointed.



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May 19, 2014, 06:04:41 PM
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It's easy to get caught up in all the negativity due to their actions, but the facts and history say their specs are real.
and spondoolies did it.
You obviously didn't have to endure this from the beginning... lol
The chip specs are actually the only REAL info I can "count on" imho  lest the delivery dates...  ug.
They at KNC have years more experience designing ASICs than any of the competition, and there's absolutely no reason to not believe the posted chip specs. This is really a moot subject anyways, we have been through this same argument in here dozens of times with both designs.
Read the novel (this thread) sometime from page 1...hehe.  


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May 19, 2014, 06:14:03 PM
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the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.

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No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~



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May 19, 2014, 06:19:03 PM
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the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.



Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.

What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.

What is the rest of the different implementation?

Thanks in advance.

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No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread or at least the KNC news timeline before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'


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