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May 19, 2014, 06:35:37 PM
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No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
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June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'

you're slippin back into that fanboy mode eric
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May 19, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
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Hehe, well...  I'm just trying to keep an "honest perspective"
I sure could fill a few pages with complaints of my own, again and again...
but there's no sense in letting disinformation spread too far...
There's already enough "Legit" dirt on KNC to write a small good sized  HUGE novel...    Grin


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May 19, 2014, 06:46:01 PM
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the facts and history say their specs are real.

true +- 20%

and spondoolies did it.

If your intent in the SP mention was to show an existence proof, I'm not sure its reasonable to compare the SP technical accomplishments with the technical problems KNC must have faced developing the Neptune ASIC. IIRC the SP 10 machines are based on many-instances of a comparatively simple chip ( a lot like the Bitmain approach ) and the SP30 is based on a die shrink of the SP-10 chip. OTOH, Neptune (and Titan) ASICS are many-cored VLSI SOC type chips with a much higher degree of integration.

Different vendors adopt different implementation approaches based on their different understandings of how bitcoin mining will develop and the intended life times of their respective products.





Can you elaborate with more details of the anticipated specs of both SP30 and Neptune.

What I only know is 20nm vs 28nm.

What is the rest of the different implementation?

Thanks in advance.

Let me preface my remarks by saying I am not an expert on ASIC development or manufacture. However I do have a professional background in CS and EE.

That said, there are clear differences between the SP approach and the KNC approach. The SP10 uses '192 Spondoolies-Tech Hammer ASIC units' whereas KNC has stated that the Neptune adopts the Jupiter approach, ie: one large ASIC on each of a small number (4) of boards. Ignoring at the moment the complexities of using the 20nm process for the 1st time, the KNC chip is almost certainly at least an order of magnitude more complex than the SP chip and represents signficantly more design effort and technical accomplishment.

The Titan also adopts this design philosophy and relies on only 4 VLSI SOC ASICS, each with 2284 cores, 55mm x 55mm in size, manufactured on a 28nm node, dissipating 300w each.

The SP30 according to SP uses 30 RockerBox ASICS, which are a die shrink of the 40nm Hammer ASIC to a 28nm process and therefore involves very little new design. I don't intend to demean SP's accomplishments, which are significant, but I don't think they represent an existence proof that makes it more likely that KNC will ship their products on schedule.


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May 19, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
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Thanks for the information.

So, the advantage of the KNC vs the SP chip design is that it needs less space , only?

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May 19, 2014, 07:01:04 PM
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No, it's indeed 9 month, all nex gen product on going before current gen shiped, thing going on before they announce preorder~
WTF?
Neptunes went on sale November 26th.
November 26th to today= 6 months, and 2-1/2 weeks.
and
June delivery will mean a total of 7 to 7-1/2 months.

Jupiter was also done in about 6 months, start to finish, concept to delivery.
I don't know where you get your info, but you sure can't count, or simply are not educated on what has transpired with KNC.
You should read the thread or at least the KNC news timeline before you blurt too much more nonsense and look like a fool.

There will always be those who: Skip to the end of the novel and make assumptions based on the current drama.
Just sayin'
WTF~ Dud,  before reply, you better go to learn some product cycle management, mean time they sale gen  1, they already tapped out gen 2, as a company like knc, new product design cycle time took 9 months is unacceptable.  That's the truth behind fact~

  



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May 19, 2014, 07:04:05 PM
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therefore involves very little new design.
Which is the way it should be! That's proper engineering. Only total idiots throw away what works and do a total redesign. It's obvious KNC only ever did 20nm to justify the ridiculus Neptune price tag.

They could have shipped 3TH Frankenjups in January and made all their customers very very happy. If the power draw was a bit heavy, well, that would be okay for most people if they could have split the rig up and had it 5 months ago. Now the electricity costs are going to be a big factor from day 1 with Neptune.

But KNC's whole business model is built on lying to customers and exploiting their money, so they don't care about any of that stuff. They don't give a shit if customers lose big time, as long as they do the bare minimum to meet their obligations.

While that datacentre is spitting out a decent amount of coins, they are not going to shoot themselves in the foot and ship Neptune  Grin

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May 19, 2014, 07:12:07 PM
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Thanks for the information.
So, the advantage of the KNC vs the SP chip design is that it needs less space , only?

I think each manufacturer in the bitcoin and litecoin mining space has a different philosophy with respect to how they position their products.
Some are focused entirely on shipping a cost competitive product as soon as possible at the expense of useful product life, whereas others are planning for the longer term and the end game.

Long live the differences.

For information on the benefits of VLSI SOC implementations, google is your friend tzortz.



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May 19, 2014, 07:17:27 PM
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There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.
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There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

If that is true, then bitcoin is doomed. No miners, no network, no bitcoin.

I don't believe bitcoin is doomed. Obviously, neither does KNC.
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BTC isnt doomed.  Its still on schedule to dool out 21 million coins.

The mining landscape will change because of difficulty adjustment.

BTC will still be generated, traded......
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BTC isnt doomed.

The mining landscape will change.

BTC will still be generated, traded......

So you are proposing forking bitcoin to a PoS ? LOL
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The organization should propose a changing algorithm to make it more even for the small people again.
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There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

^^ This ^^

I'm continually stunned when I read things like this (paraphrased for emphasis)... "Oh but KNC are the best! I may have to wait 3 more months for the same amount of THs at a higher price. But my machine will run for 10 years."

And when that machine does finally arrive, it won't even pay for the electricity it uses after the previous 8 or 9 difficulty jumps.

Well at least by then the weather will have started to cool down and you can use your Neptunes as supplemental heat while I struggle to keep my house below 85f during the summer months.  Cry
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There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

^^ This ^^

I'm continually stunned when I read things like this (paraphrased for emphasis)... "Oh but KNC are the best! I may have to wait 3 more months for the same amount of THs at a higher price. But my machine will run for 10 years."

And when that machine does finally arrive, it won't even pay for the electricity it uses after the previous 8 or 9 difficulty jumps.

Well at least by then the weather will have started to cool down and you can use your Neptunes as supplemental heat while I struggle to keep my house below 85f during the summer months.  Cry

When people get their FREE Neptune in Sept and diff is 30 B it will ROI $500
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I am always amazed by the number of people who feel that they can predict the future 2 or 3 months from now but can not win a game of rock, paper and scissors.

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There is no long term in btc mining land.  Usefullness of products are now 90 days or less.  We are less than 60 days away from when manufacturers cant even make machines that are profitable to use minus electricity, mining will be a hobby by then.

^^ This ^^

I'm continually stunned when I read things like this (paraphrased for emphasis)... "Oh but KNC are the best! I may have to wait 3 more months for the same amount of THs at a higher price. But my machine will run for 10 years."

And when that machine does finally arrive, it won't even pay for the electricity it uses after the previous 8 or 9 difficulty jumps.

Well at least by then the weather will have started to cool down and you can use your Neptunes as supplemental heat while I struggle to keep my house below 85f during the summer months.  Cry

When people get their FREE Neptune in Sept and diff is 30 B it will ROI $500


$500 is nice.

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I am always amazed by the number of people who feel that they can predict the future 2 or 3 months from now but can not win a game of rock, paper and scissors.

~L)L~

Its a statistical fact that the difficulty now is 800x higher than it was last May.

Also a statistical fact that the smallest diff jump was 8.6% and highest was 46% during the year.  The mean average being 23%
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I am always amazed by the number of people who feel that they can predict the future 2 or 3 months from now but can not win a game of rock, paper and scissors.

~L)L~

So you must think the difficulty is going to decline then... Or just stay stagnant?

Oh, and...

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Its a statistical fact that the difficulty now is 800x higher than it was last May.

Also a statistical fact that the smallest diff jump was 8.6% and highest was 46% during the year.  The mean average range is between (11-23%)

Please answer these questions for me:

1) What will the price of BTC be on Jan. 1, 2015 ?

2) What will the difficulty be on Jan. 1 2015 ?

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Its a statistical fact that the difficulty now is 800x higher than it was last May.

Also a statistical fact that the smallest diff jump was 8.6% and highest was 46% during the year.  The mean average range is between (11-23%)

Please answer these questions for me:

1) What will the price of BTC be on Jan. 1, 2015 ?

2) What will the difficulty be on Jan. 1 2015 ?



1.  I dont know.  

2.  Im sure diff in Jan 1 2015 will be ALOT higher than it is now, which we already have a problem of roi and hardware.

The point being.  Pre-orders of Neptune was not a good idea.
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