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Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 25878684 times)
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January 30, 2018, 09:46:33 PM
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Lets suppose a scenario where everybody wanted to cash out bitcoin and every other crypto-currency, to sell it for fiat, all at the same time, every single holder.

So, 500 billion dollars would be withdraw in a single day.

Do you think the exchanges would have that amount of fiat money?

Same thing with tethers, or with derivatives.

Not the same thing at all.

Fiat requires to be underwritten. Even central banks cannot conjure it up "out of nothing". They need third parties to endorse its value by way of debt contracts. Ok, those debt contracts are of a range of quality and are subject to default, but the fiat that's in existence is all at least created ultimately - not by the central bank - but by those sovereigns or corporates who's bonds the central bank has to buy in order to "create" the new money.

Tether on the other hand is no more than a cancerous tumour that can consume everything in its path. Whoever has control of the Tether supply can simply buy up real assets like a tsunami washing over a city at no cost or risk to themselves. If a central bank buys toxic sovereign debt and that debt defaults then the the bank holds nothing. On the other hand if Tether Company conjurs up $300M of tokens and use it to buy Bitcoin while pushing the price up, if Tether defaults they still have their bitcoin

The irony is that the cryptocurrency "community" largely exists to escape the tyranny of central banks over extension, only to fall into the trap of an even greater tyranny planted right in its midst.

If it had any sense it would use the BitAssets as fiat pegged trading pairs for crypto, being that they can't be corrupted in the way that "funny Tether money" can. But sense is usually in short supply when the market is rife with only one or other of greed or fear.
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January 30, 2018, 09:47:15 PM

I'm thinking of running a LN node on google Compute engine.
f1 micro. Have to pay for the storage only i guess, 70$ a year might have to keep adding storage every year
Unless i missed something really obvious??
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January 30, 2018, 09:51:45 PM
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This is reminding me of the $800 phase in early 2014. I'd prefer a violent plunge to rip everyone's baby blue panties to shreds and then we can get down to business.
That's when I started buying so I remember it well.  I've thought the same many times.


Was the $800 phase in early 2014 - before the February news of the Gox closing, which really $800 phase was short lived and bouncing around in early 2014?  I don't know? 

I was buying from $1,200 in November 2013, and by the time the end of February came and we were floating around in the $600s, and I had spent well over half of my 6 months investment budget in the first three months of my investment, and by the end of my first six months, I had upped my budget by about 15% (in other words, I went a bit over budget in my buying of BTC), but yeah, there was no need to rush to buy up the "bargain BTC prices" because we then had another 6 months of buying opportunity, and then we had another year after that... hahahahaha.. .go figure.

Surely, "this time is different" tm.  Let's just take the most exponential component of this latest run up from $2,600 in August 2017 to $19,666.  That is a 7.5x run up from August to December - 4 months.... yet the previous uprun from $250 has taken more than 2 years.. from October 2015. 

It just seems too early to call a bear market out of this or to strongly suggest that we are going into some extended drawn out down period from here.  I am just not convinced, yet.  If we get down below $8k, or even below the supposed $7500 that so many supposed TA experts are calling, then I might start to give greater weight to those kinds of 2014 comparisons... let's see it first.   Tongue
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January 30, 2018, 09:59:17 PM
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Without sounding prudish, in my experience 95% of people has no concept of long term planning, they act on basic immediate emotional impulses - that also explains these panic sell periods - which are so far has been always corrected upwards in the long term. Like, why would anyone, who is in for the long run and trust the principles of bitcoin would sell on a flash crash out of fear?

It has been proven many times, that day trading on sudden swings based on fear/greed leads to a net loss for more than 90%+ of the participants (net value gain is in a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_distribution, hence the long time strategy is hodling). i have found that studying psychology/philosophy of humans are more rewarding in economic endeavours than economics itself...

95% might be a bit high, but the gist seems correct.  ~50% of people have an IQ less than 100.  ~80% under 115.  You cannot expect great thinking from the masses, when they are so easily led by kittehs and fake news.  There is a reason that change comes from 5% or even less.  Logic and Reason are not common.  It's terribly difficult to study if you cannot read/comprehend, and many (most?) people cannot.



Sadly, i agree, with the addition, that even those who i know has the "hardware" (the 115 iq+) have this attitude of " oh no this is out of my field, i shouldn't". I really like bitcoin, it is a true interdisciplinary subject, where you have to incorporate different fields of study into a single, complex idea. That requires genuine interest to reach knowledge, i think THAT is what missing in the "average". That is why i start to accept the idea, that it is no coincidence, that wealth/creative production capacity/high quality sexual mates etc. are spread in a Paretio distribution. AKA, most people are just too lazy mentally.

It is sad, that this major shift in the societal construct what bitcoin offers - just like the internet did to us on a global scale - goes the same way as everything else did before: the curious, mindful, and risk taking are reaping the benefits, and the masses will lag behind as usual. Guess that is why they are the masses  Cool
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January 30, 2018, 10:01:21 PM

As many pointed out the timing couldn't have been better. I'll simply hold my coins. During these days I say to myself that 1 BTC is 1 BTC.
Our time has yet to come.
If Bitfinex and Tether blow up, I just don't care

I would merit this post, but I blew my load Sad

Allow me to contribute some shells. To the reload of a gentleman.

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January 30, 2018, 10:04:36 PM

Recently stock market took a couple hits too. Who knows if this is relevant for the immediate future.
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January 30, 2018, 10:04:49 PM

The strange part about all this is that the possibility to continue to another ATH is still not completely off the chart and could fit the previous pattern..

What would the timeframe for an ATH be though?
It would have to occur within a couple weeks. It doesnt look like this is happening...
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January 30, 2018, 10:05:38 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/facebook-cryptocurrency-ads-banned--including-bitcoin-and-icos.html

Facebook banning ALL crypto advertising including the legit companies.

lol we banned facebook along time ago Wink #richardstallman
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January 30, 2018, 10:06:02 PM

Don't panic sell guys, don't panic sell.. Keep HODLING!
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January 30, 2018, 10:07:12 PM

Whoever gets the most merits by the end of the year gets Satoshis stash. GO.
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Chief bitcoin troll at University of New York Stern School of Business is enjoying himself.


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I like this new merit system.

It seems to raise the standard of the discussion appreciably. I see a rise in newbie accounts posting well thought-out posts and old accounts thinking a bit harder before they post the first random crap which comes to their minds.
agree.
all these deserve it imnvho
(ofc Biodom was always a good poster)
now for some random crap:

welcome newbs and all who work the program
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January 30, 2018, 10:12:27 PM

One would think that a professor applies more rigid standards before declaring theory to be the truth. The 'experts', oh well  Roll Eyes
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Chief bitcoin troll at University of New York Stern School of Business is enjoying himself.

Good lord that guy is completely fixated on Bitcoin. No doubt that he's a central bankster puppet.
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January 30, 2018, 10:27:44 PM

Recently stock market took a couple hits too. Who knows if this is relevant for the immediate future.

So the bond market sold off today, the U.S. stock market sold off 1%, AND Gold and Silver got hammered, AND crypto got FUD'ed.  

All on the same day, at the end of Jan? When some of those things should be inversely correlated?? Yeah, makes perfect sense.  Roll Eyes

Expect all markets to continue bull run.
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January 30, 2018, 10:45:51 PM

So the bond market sold off today, the U.S. stock market sold off 1%, AND Gold and Silver got hammered, AND crypto got FUD'ed.  

All on the same day, at the end of Jan? When some of those things should be inversely correlated?? Yeah, makes perfect sense.  Roll Eyes

Expect all markets to continue bull run.

A question is how the USD going down the drain plays out in all this.


https://www.investing.com/quotes/us-dollar-index-streaming-chart
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January 30, 2018, 10:47:13 PM

is it true that withdrawals are disabled on bitfinex?
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January 30, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
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Don't really know what point you're trying to make Globb0.

The point I was making was that when an entire asset sector has a single entity like Tether in its midst that's capable of bidding up the market at will with limitless supply, that is a toxic situation. That isn't the case with "pure crypto" assets like BitUSD. Their supply is not created arbitrarily out of thin air and is always market backed which is why you occasionally get those spikes you're pointing out.

The reason is stays on its peg is that when it spiked down like that there is a huge market gain to be made for traders taking the long side in order to restore the peg (which is exactly what has happened since that dump occurred. See current price):


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Guys we have new ath €7900 hitted kraken fiew hours ago  Grin
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