Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner

[Anton Sivalnikov]

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[Bulletdodger]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

[mousehouse]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

curious to see what bitmain, canaan and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

[GMPoison]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

curious to see what bitmain, canaan and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again

[Searing]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

My guessing on calcs with electric and a guess on difficulty at my winter rate of 12c kWh

Imho, you need a least $90 LTC or more, using that scrypt coin as an example to break even....and that may be low.

I'm including all electric use for 12 months and the bitmain PSU and shipping etc at the current $2040 rate.

Again, this is off the cuff and I used the www.litecoinpool/calc for ease of use at 101% and no fee.

Likely, you would do 10-15% better on a multipool like Nicehash or Prohashing

So LTC needs to pump to $90 to $100 bucks or my KNC Titans may finally be 'doorstops' with the L3's soon after.

Feel free to correct me, if I'm being too optimistic or pessimistic on this. This is a 'seat of the pants' calc and guess.

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

curious to see what bitmain, can and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again

Bitmain could release an L5+ or whatever. But again, imho, it would be to get better equip to their data hall first (3 months to us say) and
also for their hashnet of pow/scrypt and of course their bet that this would make sense also on a $90 to $100 buck LTC or equiv scrypt pow price.

But as a consumer product as the only consideration, they can just continue to run these out like toasters (S9 Bitmain BTC miner) and adjust price

up/down/sideways as prudent. Myself, I expect them to sell L3+'s into middle of 2018, at reduced prices sure....but they now control 80% or more, of all

ASIC manufacturing for sha-256 (BTC) scrypt-pow (LTC and majority of altcoins) and now x11 (dash)

so the question becomes, they have a 'captive audience' for mining equipment ..so why push new equipment, when the only alternative is the market

the share of 'old designs' you control?

anyway, I know zip.....just saying....

[BenRickert]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

My guessing on calcs with electric and a guess on difficulty at my winter rate of 12c kWh

Imho, you need a least $90 LTC or more, using that scrypt coin as an example to break even....and that may be low.

I'm including all electric use for 12 months and the bitmain PSU and shipping etc at the current $2040 rate.

Again, this is off the cuff and I used the www.litecoinpool/calc for ease of use at 101% and no fee.

Likely, you would do 10-15% better on a multipool like Nicehash or Prohashing

So LTC needs to pump to $90 to $100 bucks or my KNC Titans may finally be 'doorstops' with the L3's soon after.

Feel free to correct me, if I'm being too optimistic or pessimistic on this. This is a 'seat of the pants' calc and guess.

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

curious to see what bitmain, can and hopefully some new entrants will have available early '18! maybe they can squeeze 25TH/s from an S11, and a few GHz of scrypt from an L5...

I can't even imagine Bitmain releasing an L5 with even more hashing power than the L3+. It would be a bloodbath, lol. They'll need to upgrade their servers again

Bitmain could release an L5+ or whatever. But again, imho, it would be to get better equip to their data hall first (3 months to us say) and
also for their hashnet of pow/scrypt and of course their bet that this would make sense also on a $90 to $100 buck LTC or equiv scrypt pow price.

But as a consumer product as the only consideration, they can just continue to run these out like toasters (S9 Bitmain BTC miner) and adjust price

up/down/sideways as prudent. Myself, I expect them to sell L3+'s into middle of 2018, at reduced prices sure....but they now control 80% or more, of all

ASIC manufacturing for sha-256 (BTC) scrypt-pow (LTC and majority of altcoins) and now x11 (dash)

so the question becomes, they have a 'captive audience' for mining equipment ..so why push new equipment, when the only alternative is the market

the share of 'old designs' you control?

anyway, I know zip.....just saying....

Excellent observations. In addition, the technology leaps are bumping against a wall. The improvement from 16nm to 10 nm is nowhere near as impactful as 28nm to 16nm. Then 10nm to 7 nm even lesser still. Not to mention that there are many other major "chip players" ( eg; mobile phones) who will be in line for new inventory LONG before Bitmain's ASIC production. The pending demise of these miners may be greatly overstated.

[BenRickert]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

[sergio-faucetbitcoin]

Hello everyone !

I will receive 2 Antminer L3+ and 2 Antminer S9 very soon. I'm planning to put them all in the underground of my house, one per socket (220V).
2 of the Miners will be very near to a socket, but 2 others will have to be on a extension cable (4-5 meters).

What is better , putting the 4 Antminers on the 2 sockets that are near, with 2 strips ? Or better put the 2 extension cables and have 1 Antminer per socket and no strip?
Or are both options bad ideas , and I should rethink everything, and better put all the Miners with short cable and 1 per socket ?

Also, I'm thinking of a 1 to 4 Ethernet splitter to put all the ethernet in one, I guess there will be no problem with that.

If there is anything else I should be aware of , let me know please !

Thank you

[BenRickert]

Hello everyone !

I will receive 2 Antminer L3+ and 2 Antminer S9 very soon. I'm planning to put them all in the underground of my house, one per socket (220V).
2 of the Miners will be very near to a socket, but 2 others will have to be on a extension cable (4-5 meters).

What is better , putting the 4 Antminers on the 2 sockets that are near, with 2 strips ? Or better put the 2 extension cables and have 1 Antminer per socket and no strip?
Or are both options bad ideas , and I should rethink everything, and better put all the Miners with short cable and 1 per socket ?

Also, I'm thinking of a 1 to 4 Ethernet splitter to put all the ethernet in one, I guess there will be no problem with that.

If there is anything else I should be aware of , let me know please !

Thank you

When you say "socket" does that mean each "socket" is on it's own Breaker? Also, how many Amps are the breakers? 20, 30, 40??

Each breaker on 220v can be calculated;
20amps X 220 or 4400 watt capacity. Subtract 20% for safety margin. ( only run at 80% of breaker capacity ) or 3520 watts available per BREAKER.

S9 draws 1370 watts +/- 10% and 6.29 amps on a 220v feed
L3+ 800 watts and 3.63 amps.

Ethernet no worries.

[Bulletdodger]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

Well yeah, technically you are correct and obsolete is a strong word. However I meant that L3s, when I got them were doing $50+ per day,
now they are at $17-19, and by Xmas it will probably be around $10, IF.

Don't get me wrong, even 3 years old A2 can earn some money today, BUT the pure number of devices being put in use will dramatically rise the diff,
we ain't seen the plugging in of October, November and December batches, and they were almost all sold out within a few mins.

But the tech part, maybe 16 nm to 10 nm isn't as dramatic, but cant they cram up more processors and call it a day?
Give us 2-3x the performance at the same price? Who knows...

[BenRickert]

Not to burst your bubble, but ROI on those machines will be way longer than 200 days, so yeah, I believe that is a bit too much...

+ new ASIC tech should come in the spring 2018, it might mean all today's tech would be obsolete...

The S7 is 30% of the hashing rate and efficiency of the S9 and they are not "obsolete". The move from 16nm to 10nm will not be near as dramatic as the leap from the S7 to the S9. None of these miners will be "obsolete" in the next 2-3 years. Unless you pay too much for a Kw.

Well yeah, technically you are correct and obsolete is a strong word. However I meant that L3s, when I got them were doing $50+ per day,
now they are at $17-19, and by Xmas it will probably be around $10, IF.

Don't get me wrong, even 3 years old A2 can earn some money today, BUT the pure number of devices being put in use will dramatically rise the diff,
we ain't seen the plugging in of October, November and December batches, and they were almost all sold out within a few mins.

But the tech part, maybe 16 nm to 10 nm isn't as dramatic, but cant they cram up more processors and call it a day?
Give us 2-3x the performance at the same price? Who knows...

Yup, no doubt. Let's face it. We all got very spoiled in the last 6 months. Just got to get back to reality now.

[GMPoison]

So here is what the data center wanted to host my L3+'s:

- 2 Rack / Cabinets--$250 Each / $500 Total MRC--$0.00 Installation Cost
- 3-30A/208V A&B Single Phase Power Circuits--$700 Each / $2,100 Total MRC--$0.00 Installation Cost
- 1-100M IP Circuit--$400 Total MRC / $0.00 Installation Cost

Lets see here, $3000 per month for them to host, or $1800 per month for me to rent a nice home including hosting for my miners by doing it myself.

Tough decision

[Minerdude8]

Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe

[mousehouse]

No one in the land is using Prohashing? I would like to have an update on the issues this pool was experiencing.  Is it consistent now?

Thank you,

I have only been mining with prohashing for about 12 days now and i only had one issue with the pool going dead last night or the night before..cant remember. Been good so far. Been averaging 20 to 22 a day if you consider that good...

What is your difficulty setting? or are you leaving it blank?

Just leave it blank, it auto-adjusts fine.

[mousehouse]

Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe

What is there to improve?

[BenRickert]

Are these numbers normal? Both l3+:
Machine 1
Accepted: 450
Rejected: 9
Hw errors: 31
Temp 48c

Machine 2:
Accepted : 642
Rejected : 16
Hw error: 18
Temp 46c


How can I improve this numbers?  I'm using nicehash (European), I'm in Europe

What is there to improve?

48 c Im running at aroung 62c chip temp, is that too high ?

You're fine. He must be mining outside in the cold. LOL.

[Bulletdodger]

Guys, stop asking about temperatures.

One of my machines worked for days at over 80c... and guess what?
It still does.

[mousehouse]

What is there to improve?

48 c Im running at aroung 62c chip temp, is that too high ?

You're fine. He must be mining outside in the cold. LOL.

Well. You can manually set the fan speed to 90% or so. Your miner will run cooler ;-)

[nghungminh90]

Well, the daily income of L3+ slightly increased. 

[Albortz]

Well, the daily income of L3+ slightly increased. 

Yeah because of the exchange rate of BTC and LTC.  But the real time payment amount of BTC is pretty much the same no?