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[BlackyJacky]

In my case for example, they blocked me from depositing after I have cleared 90% of the next VIP level which gives a 6,400 USD bonus.

They can of course decide at any time that they do not want me anymore as their customer, but in this case they have to compensate the 90% of 6,400 USD = 5,760 USD I have already cleared.

I do not mind at all if Stake does not want to take my Bitcoin anymore, other casinos will gladly do, but they have to give me 5,760 USD for the 90% I have already cleared.

Well, have someone send you funds via tip if you can't deposit yourself.

Once a casino breaches our agreement and unjustifiably blocks me from depositing, I will not deposit anymore because they also unjustifiably could block me from withdrawing.

Of course this only would work if you are not blocked from betting.

As explained above, even if I am not blocked from betting, they could block me from withdrawing.

On the other hand, why would you want to make bets if the casino is a scam. It's a lose lose situation.

No, it is a win win situation:

1) I need to wager 500,000 USD to reach the next nevel and receive a 6,400 USD bonus.

Stake claims that their in-house Black Jack has a 0,5% house edge when using the optimal playing strategy.

0,5% house edge minus around 0,3% rewards = 0,2% of 500,000 USD = 1,000 USD loss plus 6,400 USD next level bonus = 5,400 USD plus

2) I get hard proof of my experienced house edge during wagering the 500,000 USD

Based on the bets transaction history in my Stake account I can not see what my experienced house edge is.

The only way I could see it is to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate my experienced house edge!

About the missing 10%, that are still 500k$ in wager. Taking an "only" 1% house edge in consideration ( obviously it's more ) you will lose over 5k playing while getting the missing 10%. So it doesn't really make sense to chase it yet anyway.

See above.

And since there are no "milestones" within the 100% it's impossible to claim 90% of the reward. If they would do that once everybody who is broke at some point wants to do it. It's designed to keep you playing and depositing, "only" some % to go, wager wager wager.  

Maybe you missed something, but I do not demand to pay the already cleared 90% of 6,400 USD because I am broke.

I demand to pay the already cleared 5,760 USD because they unjustifiably block me from depositing and clearing the remaining 10%.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

One other thing, and please no more monster replies that congest this thread.

What explanation did you receive that denies you to deposit and basically play at stake. They must have said something and give you a reason.
Obviously, such as everybody that plays casino games, you are a losing player, otherwise you would not complain about the house edge .
If you were winning and they want to get rid of you I would understand, been through that at countless sites actually.
But since you don't win a lot, wouldn't they want you to stick around?
Or did you once maybe make a mistake, showing your "real" IP while logging in and you are from a restricted area and therefor don't want to make KYC because if jeopardies your account and it's VIP perks? No accusation, just a possibility.

[Ojima-ojo]

One other thing, and please no more monster replies that congest this thread.

What explanation did you receive that denies you to deposit and basically play at stake. They must have said something and give you a reason.
Obviously, such as everybody that plays casino games, you are a losing player, otherwise you would not complain about the house edge .
If you were winning and they want to get rid of you I would understand, been through that at countless sites actually.
But since you don't win a lot, wouldn't they want you to stick around?
Or did you once maybe make a mistake, showing your "real" IP while logging in and you are from a restricted area and therefor don't want to make KYC because it jeopardises your account and its VIP perks? No accusation, just a possibility.

It is quite unfortunate that some casinos will exit a player simply because they feel that the player is winning too much on the gambling site, such operational manner because such character exhibition will cause the casino to lose the loyalty and trust of the gambling community at some point, let say we have a few of those scammy site and such we have to avoid such possibility because stake.com is one of the many reputable casinos that we have in the gambling industry today.


But much more also, we have to know that there have not been so many of those cases against stake before and anyone putting up such accusations should be ready to back the claims up with some evidence.

[ryzaadit]

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IMO, It's better not respond to the shit post.

I mean, you give him a spot chance to him for speak more and post a shit things. He are gonna to keep posting, the best way just ignore it the post and he keep posting by him self.

After that he will tried, and not gonna to post. I'ts hapening all the time.

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[BlackyJacky]

One other thing, and please no more monster replies that congest this thread.

What explanation did you receive that denies you to deposit and basically play at stake. They must have said something and give you a reason.

My deposit option is blocked until I do level two verification.

Obviously, such as everybody that plays casino games, you are a losing player, otherwise you would not complain about the house edge .

I am fine with the advertised 0,5% house edge minus rewards.

I complain about this

If you were winning and they want to get rid of you I would understand, been through that at countless sites actually.
But since you don't win a lot, wouldn't they want you to stick around?

They want to get rid of me because I complain about this

Though their shady behavior caused exactly the opposite!  

I will go after Bijan, Edward and Mladen until I have at least the 30,000 USD back I unjustifiably lost from my pocket.

Or did you once maybe make a mistake, showing your "real" IP while logging in and you are from a restricted area and therefor don't want to make KYC because if jeopardies your account and it's VIP perks? No accusation, just a possibility.

You can not login if you visit the website from a restricted area.

[TwitchySeal]

I will go after Bijan, Edward and Mladen until I have at least the 30,000 USD back I unjustifiably lost from my pocket.

So this guy did some math that only makes sense in his imagination and concluded that black jack on stake is a profitable game, and since he lost 30k after wagering ~9 million it must be rigged...

But as I lost around 30,000 USD from my pocket instead of winning 180,000 USD, bets won and lost can not refer to dealer hands won and lost!

Interesting line to cry about how rigged the site is and at the same time cry about not being able to deposit and gamble at the same time.

[BlackyJacky]

I will go after Bijan, Edward and Mladen until I have at least the 30,000 USD back I unjustifiably lost from my pocket.

So this guy did some math that only makes sense in his imagination and concluded that black jack on stake is a profitable game, and since he lost 30k after wagering ~9 million it must be rigged...

It is rigged, because

Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets lost.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)


B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)

 
Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.

Their strategy to ignore me, while they are clearly at fault, will fail!  

But as I lost around 30,000 USD from my pocket instead of winning 180,000 USD, bets won and lost can not refer to dealer hands won and lost!

Interesting line to cry about how rigged the site is and at the same time cry about not being able to deposit and gamble at the same time.

Yes, I cry how it is rigged until I get the 30,000 USD back Bijan, Edward and Mladen have illegally taken from me.

Thereafter, they can do whatever they like and I do not care at all, as long as I am not a victim of it.

No, I never cried that I am not able to deposit and play, as you can see below

In my case for example, they blocked me from depositing after I have cleared 90% of the next VIP level which gives a 6,400 USD bonus.

They can of course decide at any time that they do not want me anymore as their customer, but in this case they have to compensate the 90% of 6,400 USD = 5,760 USD I have already cleared.

I do not mind at all if Stake does not want to take my Bitcoin anymore, other casinos will gladly do, but they have to give me 5,760 USD for the 90% I have already cleared.

Well, have someone send you funds via tip if you can't deposit yourself.

Once a casino breaches our agreement and unjustifiably blocks me from depositing, I will not deposit anymore because they also unjustifiably could block me from withdrawing.

In fact, I do not care at all!

I only care about the compensation which I will receive sooner or later, as there is no way Bijan, Edward and Mladen can escape from responsibility.  

Only a dumbass can believe he offers a provably rigged in-house game and everything is fine!  

[TwitchySeal]

Yes, I cry how it is rigged until I get the 30,000 USD back Bijan, Edward and Mladen have illegally taken from me.

They didn't take it from you, you lost it.  And you ran on the good side of variance and got some generous bonuses considering you only lost $30k after wagering over $9 million. 

You see, when the house has an edge, it means you don't.  That means in the long run you will lose.  The more you wager, the more you will lose.

So stop crying.

[ryzaadit]

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He also doesn't realize it.

Card counter with fewer decks comparing evolution-games (8 decks), while they play with few decks like 3+ and still losing a thousand dollar: https://www.youtube.com/@stevenbridges ~XD

It's actually funny, I guess (Card-counter) will say the BJ-game (especially while they playing live on landbase) are rigged. Because my count is right.

[BlackyJacky]

Yes, I cry how it is rigged until I get the 30,000 USD back Bijan, Edward and Mladen have illegally taken from me.

They didn't take it from you, you lost it.  

I lost it from my pocket and they found it?  

Yes, I lost it because of their provably rigged in-house Black Jack system, but first they took my Bitcoin.

And you ran on the good side of variance and got some generous bonuses considering you only lost $30k after wagering over $9 million.  

If losing 4,6% of the bets instead of the advertised 0,5% is "ran on the good side of variance", how much % is running on the bad side of variance?

Losing 10 or 15% of the bets?

You see, when the house has an edge, it means you don't.  

If you would have read my posts, you should have realised that a 0,5% house edge minus rewards is fine for me:

I am fine with the advertised 0,5% house edge minus rewards.

I complain about this

That means in the long run you will lose.

But only the advertised 0,5% bets and not 4,6% of the bets, right?

The more you wager, the more you will lose.

But only the advertised 0,5% bets and not 4,6% of the bets, right?

[TwitchySeal]

Yes, I cry how it is rigged until I get the 30,000 USD back Bijan, Edward and Mladen have illegally taken from me.

They didn't take it from you, you lost it.  

I lost it from my pocket and they found it?  

Yes, I lost it because of their provably rigged in-house Black Jack system, but first they took my Bitcoin.

And you ran on the good side of variance and got some generous bonuses considering you only lost $30k after wagering over $9 million.  

If losing 4,6% of the bets instead of the advertised 0,5% is "ran on the good side of variance", how much % is running on the bad side of variance?

15%? 20%?

Your math is idiotic and your explanation doesn't make sense. Blackjack isn't the same as flipping a coin.  Sometimes you win even money, sometimes you push, sometimes you're paid 3:2. 

If you're playing a game with a 0.5% house edge, that means over the long run you can expect to lose
50 cents for every $100 wagered.

If you wager $50,000 your expected losses would be $250

If you wager $200,000 your expected losses would be $1,000

If you wager $8,019,299.22 (in crypto at todays value),

your expected losses would be $40,096.50





Whatever calculation you made that resulted in you thinking you would profit over $100k was wrong.
Being down $30k with this much wagered is well within the range of possible outcomes.

You lost, get over it.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

Or did you once maybe make a mistake, showing your "real" IP while logging in and you are from a restricted area and therefor don't want to make KYC because if jeopardies your account and it's VIP perks? No accusation, just a possibility.

You can not login if you visit the website from a restricted area.

It's called VPN, and you know it.
Well, I have realised it's a total waste of time answering you since you seem to be in your own world.

And still you didn't answer what exactly they told you.

They didn't just say you are not allowed to deposit before you do KYC, they must have given you a reason. So what you are saying here is total nonsense. You clearly have something to hide and only tell half the story.

Anyway, since you don't care to answer questions and still make you monster spam replies it's time to set you on mute. Everybody should do the same.

[BlackyJacky]

Or did you once maybe make a mistake, showing your "real" IP while logging in and you are from a restricted area and therefor don't want to make KYC because if jeopardies your account and it's VIP perks? No accusation, just a possibility.

You can not login if you visit the website from a restricted area.

It's called VPN, and you know it.

If you use a VPN from a restricted area, you can not login.

When you use a VPN, you logically do not show your "real" IP!

Therefore, what you say does not make any sense at all!

[ryzaadit]

Some question guys.

I really love watching QuickTM for playing original-game from Stake. I have some plan for playing (Slide), do we have some third-parties website who can track the result daily like (Highest) after how many spin? something like (TrackCasino) who can track the game from Evolution Live-Games (CT, Monopoly and other).

Thanks.

[Kakmakr]

Some question guys.

I really love watching QuickTM for playing original-game from Stake. I have some plan for playing (Slide), do we have some third-parties website who can track the result daily like (Highest) after how many spin? something like (TrackCasino) who can track the game from Evolution Live-Games (CT, Monopoly and other).

Thanks.

#ryzaadit I think I have seen a site that collects information about Stake "Crash" multipliers, but it was a while ago. Do you think the data will improve the outcome of your bets, because I have tried to use the data provided by sites like TrackCasino and it did not yield any better results.

Even though players are sharing one Seed for "Slide" and other Stake Original games, the outcome of each individual bet should not be linked back to any previous bets, it should be random like any other bets done on those games. 

[Haunebu]

Even though players are sharing one Seed for "Slide" and other Stake Original games, the outcome of each individual bet should not be linked back to any previous bets, it should be random like any other bets done on those games. 

Agreed. It's called gamblers fallacy where such gamblers think that they might have a better chance by viewing certain patterns which seems to help out sometimes, but it's all due to luck itself.

All bets are independent of each other as you mentioned which is why data analysis in casino games makes zero sense.

[Bitinity]

Some question guys.

I really love watching QuickTM for playing original-game from Stake. I have some plan for playing (Slide), do we have some third-parties website who can track the result daily like (Highest) after how many spin? something like (TrackCasino) who can track the game from Evolution Live-Games (CT, Monopoly and other).

Thanks.

I tried to google it but I cant find a site that you are looking for. I guess you need to do it yourself manually by looking at the slide bet history on the top right corner of the game but of course it will take too long time if you do it manually. Anyway, does such a statistic really work while the game is purely random where big multiplier may come anytime even after few bets of the previous big multiplier or it may not come after so many bets from the previous big multiplier?

[wiss19]

It is really a shame that people would like to try to trick both themselves and the casino and also all of us while not getting any benefit for themselves meanwhile. I mean it's clear that you are not going to end up getting any benefit from this by trying to trick others, or maybe even trying to trick yourself as well, because stake will not budge about their own rules.

If there are some rules that you broke, then you can try to do whatever you want, you can try to say whatever you want or try to convince anyone you want, none of those will change a single thing. You need to end up making sure that you are doing a bigger work and I believe that the best thing we could do at this point is to let him face the consequences of his own actions.