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[wiss19]

@BitcoinHunt3r do you think they’ll launch a big event like the last one because they already lost a lot due to the hacking and due to geopolitical problems lot’s has changed hence it’ll be interesting to see which route Stake decides to take. Lastly I’ll be lying if I say I don’t expect a promo heading into December but I won’t be disappointed if they don’t match last year’s event.

As other users have explained, news of the hack was no obstacle but I think this year's celebration will be lower because the budget is diverted to other events/projects so I can't guess for sure how big the event will be, if Stake.com still uses the same scheme as last year I will share tips on the right way to participate sometimes they don't know how to minimize losses in wager hunting but yeah a little luck is also needed. Anyway, next month several events will be waiting for us to celebrate Christmas and New Year and what I'm waiting for is the 2x monthly bonus.

If the budget is an issue and they diverted it to somewhere else, that has something to do with hacking as well. It is clear that they need to make sure they have a lot of money in cold wallets, the 40 million dollars was either in hot wallet, a place that can be hacked easier, and that is the problem, or if not then where the hell was it that all 40 was taken? I mean if they had a hack from the cold wallet that alone is scary.

As a team that lost a bunch to hufflepuff all those years ago, they should be very well aware of the risks of being hacked, that should be dangerous. They had so much money and we ended up with something that was a lot closer and they are probably not doing big deals because of this anymore.

[Mahdirakib]

Can you tell me when was the last time they responded to our concerns regarding their VIP program? I've already contacted Stake support on-site, but they couldn't provide information on the current VIP program.

What is your actual concern about the VIP program of Stake? What kind of changes have you noticed there? You will be able to see all the details about Stake VIP program in this article: Stake VIP Program Overview
You will also get some replies about your concern from the forum members if you ask about it here.

[Haunebu]

Stake is a regulated site, and the advertised house edge is checked on a regular basis. And it's done through the simulation of tens of millions bets. No one needs your "statistics" based on 180k bets.

This kind of stuff happens all the time with literally every site out there. Losers basically try and come up with all kinds of excuses to try and justify their actions and shift the blame towards the house.

Stake has plenty of issues for sure, but they never blatantly cheat gamblers like 1xbit etc based on my experience with them.

[BlackyJacky]

Obviously, such as everybody that plays casino games, you are a losing player, otherwise you would not complain about the house edge .

I am fine with the advertised 0,5% house edge minus rewards.

I complain about this

They say in the trust summary about you that you are ignorant on basic math, and I think it's true.

Who says this? Statisticians?

Oh wait, only TwitchySeal who has proven that he is too stupid to understand basic math says this!

That is your problem.

My problem is that I unjustifiably lost Bitcoin worth around 30,000 USD at their provably rigged in-house Black Jack system and want it back, but they ignore!

Please note that as soon as I received the Bitcoin worth around 30,000 USD, I will move on and do not care at all what Bijan, Edward and Mladen do or if Stake is rigged or not or if they are regulated or not.

You claim "I lost 4,6% of the bets while the house edge is 0,5%", and you think the site is cheating, while no one told you you should lose 0,5% with your 180k bets.

I have posted the proof that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

I mean, you could lose much more than 4,6% and you could win 100% or more if you were lucky. 180k bets is too small an amount to come to any conclusions.

No, after 180k bets it is statistically not possible to lose 4,6% while the advertised house edge is 0,5%.

This is above the technically possible deviation from the expected outcome.

 

Stake is a regulated site, and the advertised house edge is checked on a regular basis.

Stake is regulated by who and how?

You suggest that their regulator checks the advertised house edge of Stake's in-house Black Jack?

And it's done through the simulation of tens of millions bets.

Where is the simulation of tens of millions bets of Stake's in-house Black Jack?

Did you know that the software of a casino game can be modified at any time?

No one needs your "statistics" based on 180k bets.

But my "statistics" after 180k bets exactly proves that the Stake in-house Black Jack system is rigged!

If the cards were dealt fair, what Stake so far failed to prove, then their statistics must be rigged.

In either case, they at least have to compensate what I lost.

I will quote someone from this thread who actually made a good point.
This is the thread: https://stakecommunity.com/topic/81675-rigged-beyond-a-doubt/

Provably fair - a system for verification of bets developed by the same IT team that works on Stake. How very convenient 🤔

In addition, provably fair “works” only on about 10 Stake Originals, does not work on 10,000 other games on the site.

On top of that all Stake is verified by CGF - Crypto Gambling Foundation. They have their certificate. How convenient, once again, that the same Crypto Gambling Foundation was started by no other then Edward himself - owner of Stake.

I try to get a response in the Crypto Gambling Foundation -  Fair Gambling For All thread since 1 year and nothing!

The Crypto Gambling Foundation is not reachable since years!

[TwitchySeal]

I try to get a response in the Crypto Gambling Foundation -  Fair Gambling For All thread since 1 year and nothing!

The Crypto Gambling Foundation is not reachable since years!

They're ignoring you because you are a lunatic.  If you were to take the same math test as a 12 year old with a mild learning disability, it would be close, but I'd bet on the 12 year old getting a higher score.  I'm dead serious.  It's like someone thought it would be funny when you were a kid to teach you a completely wrong way to do math.  What a cruel joke.

[BlackyJacky]

I try to get a response in the Crypto Gambling Foundation -  Fair Gambling For All thread since 1 year and nothing!

The Crypto Gambling Foundation is not reachable since years!

They're ignoring you because you are a lunatic.  If you were to take the same math test as a 12 year old with a mild learning disability, it would be close, but I'd bet on the 12 year old getting a higher score.  I'm dead serious.  It's like someone thought it would be funny when you were a kid to teach you a completely wrong way to do math.  

My math is perfect and Stake did not disprove it!

Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets lost.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)


B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)

 
Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.

[TwitchySeal]

I try to get a response in the Crypto Gambling Foundation -  Fair Gambling For All thread since 1 year and nothing!

The Crypto Gambling Foundation is not reachable since years!

They're ignoring you because you are a lunatic.  If you were to take the same math test as a 12 year old with a mild learning disability, it would be close, but I'd bet on the 12 year old getting a higher score.  I'm dead serious.  It's like someone thought it would be funny when you were a kid to teach you a completely wrong way to do math.  

My math is perfect and Stake did not disprove it!

https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR

4.6% of the bets lost after 180,000 bets while the advertised house edge is 0,5%!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times higher after 180,000 bets.


Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (covers 68% of all deviations)
 
3 times standard deviation = 0,36% (covers 99,7% of all deviations)
 
I lost 4,6% of the bets while the house edge is 0,5%, means my experienced deviation is 4,1%
 
4,1% : 0,12% = 34 times higher than the standard deviation which covers 68% of all deviations
 
4,1% : 0,36% = 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation which covers 99,7% of all deviations

Your math isn't perfect.  It's wrong.

You didn't lose 4.6% of the bets.



86,612 is 47.88% of 180,904

So, you lost 47.88% of your "bets".  But that's irrelevant. You can't use these numbers to calculate your roi, we don't have the stats required.

You don't win even money every time you win.

Black jack is not the same as flipping a coin.

Sometimes your bet is raised, sometimes you win less than even money, sometimes you win more than even money.  It's not a coin flip.  You also have to play perfect strategy, which you clearly don't have the mental capacity to do.  I'm wasting my time now.  Seek help.

If you want to know your return, as in the % of the wager that you won or lost, which is what the house edge represents, the only numbers you need are total wagered and total won.

[BlackyJacky]

Your math isn't perfect.  It's wrong.

You didn't lose 4.6% of the bets.

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

[Symphonized]

[$2,500] Perfect 10 | Week 109| Sports



Win a multi-bet with at least x10 by betting on at least 7 matches (all sports).
 
The minimum bet amount is set at 1USD$ (in any crypto currency).

Giveaway's Topic: https://stakecommunity.com/topic/81643-2500-perfect-10-week-109-sports/

[TwitchySeal]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, then we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285)

8,327 bets lost out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

You placed 180,904 bets.

You lost 86,612 bets.

You lost 47.88% of your bets.

In black jack, there is a ~49% chance that you will lose each round, a ~41% chance to win, and a ~9% chance to push.

You only lost 47.88% of your bets, that's almost 2% less than the average, which is probably because you played some other games.

If each bet were the exact same size, and each time you won you were paid even money, and each time you lost you lost your entire bet, then you could say that your roi was -4.6% using your method.  (But saying "I lost 4.6% of my bets" would not be accurate, however that would be a debate on the English language)

But that's not how blackjack works.  Each win/loss is based on a full round.   If you hit a bj you win 2-1.  If you split once and push 1 hand and win the other, you will win 1.5-1.  You could split 3 times, lose two and win 1 and you would win one third of your total wager, for an over all loss.


I'm not explaining this because I think you will understand it and thank me for helping you.  I know you aren't capable of that.  I"m doing it so that everyone else can see how stubborn and ignorant you are.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, then we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285)

8,327 bets lost out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

You placed 180,904 bets.

You lost 86,612 bets.

You lost 47.88% of your bets.

In black jack, there is a ~49% chance that you will lose each round, a ~41% chance to win, and a ~9% chance to push.

You only lost 47.88% of your bets, that's almost 2% less than the average, which is probably because you played some other games.

If each bet were the exact same size, and each time you won you were paid even money, and each time you lost you lost your entire bet, then you could say that your roi was -4.6% using your method.  (But saying "I lost 4.6% of my bets" would not be accurate, however that would be a debate on the English language)

But that's not how blackjack works.  Each win/loss is based on a full round.   If you hit a bj you win 2-1.  If you split once and push 1 hand and win the other, you will win 1.5-1.  You could split 3 times, lose two and win 1 and you would win one third of your total wager, for an over all loss.


I'm not explaining this because I think you will understand it and thank me for helping you.  I know you aren't capable of that.  I"m doing it so that everyone else can see how stubborn and ignorant you are.

Just a quick opinion about these numbers.
Are those ALL blackjack hands? I mean who registers at a site and plays 180904 hands of blackjack and not 1 single other game?
He is a platinum 5 so I am 100% sure he also played some other stuff to reach the next level, like almost everybody else does, for example spamming 1.01 bets (98% win chance) on dice or something. Even I did that and I usually never play casino games unless it's totally for fun only.

I really don't believe these statistics are solely blackjack, no way.

[BlackyJacky]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets to lose.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)


B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)


Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.

Their strategy to ignore me, while they are clearly at fault, will fail!  

Just a quick opinion about these numbers.

Are those ALL blackjack hands?

Yes.

[TwitchySeal]

1) When the advertised house edge is 0,5% and you made 180,900 bets, then you will statistically lose 900 bets.

Stop using bets.  It's wrong.
When the advertised house edge is 0.5%, you will statistically lose 0.5% of the total wagered.  Not total 'bets'.  Total 'wagered'.

"Bets" is ambiguous.  It doesn't make sense to attempt to make the calculations you're trying to make using "bets".  

Very simple math for you here.  Take the house edge and multiply it by the total wagered.  That's how much, on average, you will theoretically lose.

If you wager $50,000 your expected losses would be $250

If you wager $200,000 your expected losses would be $1,000

If you wager $8,019,299.22 (in crypto at todays value),

your expected losses would be $40,096.50




Obviously you are doing it wrong since you think you should be in profit over 100k playing a game with a 0.5% house edge.

You can keep pretending like you shouldn't be losing money, but that won't change reality.  When you play a game with a 0.5% house edge, you can expect to 0.5% of however much you wager.  

Every single semi intelligent person will agree with me here.  This isn't rocket science, it's very basic math.

[ryzaadit]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

[Kakmakr]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

No, #ryzaadit .... we should encourage discussions like this, because there are a lot of people who does not understand the "house edge" and how different games work.

Let's use this discussion as an educational opportunity for other people apart from BlackyJacky to learn more about this. I think a lot of conflict can be prevented, if people knew how these things work, but casinos are not really helping to explain it.  

You know how I went on about Stake changing the RTP on some games and how this makes the calculation of the advertised house edge almost impossible. (Millions of bets are necessary to verify it and by that time it might be slightly adjusted) 

[TwitchySeal]

You know how I went on about Stake changing the RTP on some games and how this makes the calculation of the advertised house edge almost impossible. (Millions of bets are necessary to verify it and by that time it might be slightly adjusted) 

If the mechanics of the game are transparent (like any of the stake house games or any card game), then you can actually figure out the house edge without making a single bet.  You just add up the payout of every possible out come and find the difference of the total wager and total payout.

[swogerino]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

Well, been a while since I last copied any bet on stake, even though I used to really engage myself in doing that a lot in previous times for the same believe as yours   , but I haven't really been lucky since I've never copied any bet that made it to winning.

In all the times I've engaged myself in copying bets from other players, I've never did encounter the error you are talking about, and neither have I ever encountered any error per say, so if indeed, the error you are talking about is a system error from stake, I trust that by now, they must have discovered and possibly are fixing it already.
I also will try making some deposit to my stake account this afternoon and try some bet copying, since I don't have any particular match in mind to bet on, and I also don't want to play slot or casino games, will try some bet copying and I hope by then, the said error you are talking about must have been fixed, if it's from stake side by the way...

[xLays]

Can you tell me when was the last time they responded to our concerns regarding their VIP program? I've already contacted Stake support on-site, but they couldn't provide information on the current VIP program.

What is your actual concern about the VIP program of Stake? What kind of changes have you noticed there? You will be able to see all the details about Stake VIP program in this article: Stake VIP Program Overview
You will also get some replies about your concern from the forum members if you ask about it here.

Just like many other VIP Platinum members here who received a consistent $5 monthly bonus last month even without playing, they now only receive $1. Stake didn't even provide an explanation for why this reduction in the monthly bonus occurred. And now they're simply stating that the computation of the monthly bonus is correct and no irregularities with the monthly bonus.

[swogerino]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

Well, been a while since I last copied any bet on stake, even though I used to really engage myself in doing that a lot in previous times for the same believe as yours   , but I haven't really been lucky since I've never copied any bet that made it to winning.

In all the times I've engaged myself in copying bets from other players, I've never did encounter the error you are talking about, and neither have I ever encountered any error per say, so if indeed, the error you are talking about is a system error from stake, I trust that by now, they must have discovered and possibly are fixing it already.
I also will try making some deposit to my stake account this afternoon and try some bet copying, since I don't have any particular match in mind to bet on, and I also don't want to play slot or casino games, will try some bet copying and I hope by then, the said error you are talking about must have been fixed, if it's from stake side by the way...

They need to fix it as to access my account I used 4G from my phone for some time.Of course by copying bets is just some random play but I have won about 6 bets already in 5-6 days doing this,copying bets,I just give a quick scan to the games that are in different parlays and then choose to bet on or not.May be since I click a lot of multis to check,maybe it is because of that that stake gives me error 429,too many requests in a short amount of time,hopefully they fix it as it really need to be fixed,I want to copy a lot of bets and I don't want to delay the process  .