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[BlackyJacky]

Your math isn't perfect.  It's wrong.

You didn't lose 4.6% of the bets.

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

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[$2,500] Perfect 10 | Week 109| Sports



Win a multi-bet with at least x10 by betting on at least 7 matches (all sports).
 
The minimum bet amount is set at 1USD$ (in any crypto currency).

Giveaway's Topic: https://stakecommunity.com/topic/81643-2500-perfect-10-week-109-sports/

[TwitchySeal]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, then we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285)

8,327 bets lost out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

You placed 180,904 bets.

You lost 86,612 bets.

You lost 47.88% of your bets.

In black jack, there is a ~49% chance that you will lose each round, a ~41% chance to win, and a ~9% chance to push.

You only lost 47.88% of your bets, that's almost 2% less than the average, which is probably because you played some other games.

If each bet were the exact same size, and each time you won you were paid even money, and each time you lost you lost your entire bet, then you could say that your roi was -4.6% using your method.  (But saying "I lost 4.6% of my bets" would not be accurate, however that would be a debate on the English language)

But that's not how blackjack works.  Each win/loss is based on a full round.   If you hit a bj you win 2-1.  If you split once and push 1 hand and win the other, you will win 1.5-1.  You could split 3 times, lose two and win 1 and you would win one third of your total wager, for an over all loss.


I'm not explaining this because I think you will understand it and thank me for helping you.  I know you aren't capable of that.  I"m doing it so that everyone else can see how stubborn and ignorant you are.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, then we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285)

8,327 bets lost out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.

4,6% of the bets lost while the advertised house edge says that I lose only 0,5% of all bets = 4,1% too much lost!

You placed 180,904 bets.

You lost 86,612 bets.

You lost 47.88% of your bets.

In black jack, there is a ~49% chance that you will lose each round, a ~41% chance to win, and a ~9% chance to push.

You only lost 47.88% of your bets, that's almost 2% less than the average, which is probably because you played some other games.

If each bet were the exact same size, and each time you won you were paid even money, and each time you lost you lost your entire bet, then you could say that your roi was -4.6% using your method.  (But saying "I lost 4.6% of my bets" would not be accurate, however that would be a debate on the English language)

But that's not how blackjack works.  Each win/loss is based on a full round.   If you hit a bj you win 2-1.  If you split once and push 1 hand and win the other, you will win 1.5-1.  You could split 3 times, lose two and win 1 and you would win one third of your total wager, for an over all loss.


I'm not explaining this because I think you will understand it and thank me for helping you.  I know you aren't capable of that.  I"m doing it so that everyone else can see how stubborn and ignorant you are.

Just a quick opinion about these numbers.
Are those ALL blackjack hands? I mean who registers at a site and plays 180904 hands of blackjack and not 1 single other game?
He is a platinum 5 so I am 100% sure he also played some other stuff to reach the next level, like almost everybody else does, for example spamming 1.01 bets (98% win chance) on dice or something. Even I did that and I usually never play casino games unless it's totally for fun only.

I really don't believe these statistics are solely blackjack, no way.

[BlackyJacky]

TwitchySeal loves to show that he is too stupid to understand basic math!

Info 1)

If you take a look at my statistics here https://ibb.co/Hxf8NpR you can see the following total numbers:

Bets: 180,904

Wins: 78,285

Losses: 86,612

If we reduce the number of wins from the number of losses, we can see that I lost 8,327 bets (86,612 minus 78,285 = 8,327)

Losing 8,327 bets out of 180,904 bets placed = 4,6% of the bets lost.


Info 2)

The advertised house edge for the Stake in-house Black Jack is 0,5%, which means longterm I will lose 0,5% of all bets placed.

Losing 0,5% out of 180,904 bets placed = 900 bets to lose.

If you compare Info 1) with Info 2), you can see that I lost 8,327 bets instead of the 900 bets I should lose = 9 times more!

While there is a deviation from the expected outcome, it can not be 9 times more after 180,904 bets!


Info 3)

When the house edge is 0,5% and you placed 180,900 bets, you will lose 900 bets and the remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips.

The remaining 180,000 bets are coin flips, because they are neutral and you will win 50% = 90,000 bets and lose 50% = 90,000 bets.

4,6% of the bets lost while I should lose only 0,5% means my experienced deviation of the 180,000 coin flips is 4,1%!


Now let's take a look at the standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips:

A) Standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 212 coin flips = 0,12% (In 68% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0,12%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 34 times higher than the standard deviation (4,1% : 0,12% = 34)


B) 3 times standard deviation for 180,000 coin flips = 0,36% (In 99,7% of all attempts, the deviation is up to 0.36%)
 
My experienced deviation of 4,1% is 11 times higher than the 3 times standard deviation (4,1% : 0,36% = 11)


Info 4)

The Stake bet transaction history only states 180,000 single bet events and no overview of my experienced house edge.

To get my experienced house edge from the bet transaction history, I would need to take a look at all 180,000 bets and calculate it manually!

If the cards were dealt fair and I lost only 0,5% of all bets placed while the statistics states that I lost 4,6%, then the Stake statistics is rigged!

In either case, the Stake in-house Black Jack system is provably rigged and Stake has to compensate at least the 30,000 USD I lost from my pocket.

Their strategy to ignore me, while they are clearly at fault, will fail!  

Just a quick opinion about these numbers.

Are those ALL blackjack hands?

Yes.

[TwitchySeal]

1) When the advertised house edge is 0,5% and you made 180,900 bets, then you will statistically lose 900 bets.

Stop using bets.  It's wrong.
When the advertised house edge is 0.5%, you will statistically lose 0.5% of the total wagered.  Not total 'bets'.  Total 'wagered'.

"Bets" is ambiguous.  It doesn't make sense to attempt to make the calculations you're trying to make using "bets".  

Very simple math for you here.  Take the house edge and multiply it by the total wagered.  That's how much, on average, you will theoretically lose.

If you wager $50,000 your expected losses would be $250

If you wager $200,000 your expected losses would be $1,000

If you wager $8,019,299.22 (in crypto at todays value),

your expected losses would be $40,096.50




Obviously you are doing it wrong since you think you should be in profit over 100k playing a game with a 0.5% house edge.

You can keep pretending like you shouldn't be losing money, but that won't change reality.  When you play a game with a 0.5% house edge, you can expect to 0.5% of however much you wager.  

Every single semi intelligent person will agree with me here.  This isn't rocket science, it's very basic math.

[ryzaadit]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

[Kakmakr]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

No, #ryzaadit .... we should encourage discussions like this, because there are a lot of people who does not understand the "house edge" and how different games work.

Let's use this discussion as an educational opportunity for other people apart from BlackyJacky to learn more about this. I think a lot of conflict can be prevented, if people knew how these things work, but casinos are not really helping to explain it.  

You know how I went on about Stake changing the RTP on some games and how this makes the calculation of the advertised house edge almost impossible. (Millions of bets are necessary to verify it and by that time it might be slightly adjusted) 

[TwitchySeal]

You know how I went on about Stake changing the RTP on some games and how this makes the calculation of the advertised house edge almost impossible. (Millions of bets are necessary to verify it and by that time it might be slightly adjusted) 

If the mechanics of the game are transparent (like any of the stake house games or any card game), then you can actually figure out the house edge without making a single bet.  You just add up the payout of every possible out come and find the difference of the total wager and total payout.

[swogerino]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

Well, been a while since I last copied any bet on stake, even though I used to really engage myself in doing that a lot in previous times for the same believe as yours   , but I haven't really been lucky since I've never copied any bet that made it to winning.

In all the times I've engaged myself in copying bets from other players, I've never did encounter the error you are talking about, and neither have I ever encountered any error per say, so if indeed, the error you are talking about is a system error from stake, I trust that by now, they must have discovered and possibly are fixing it already.
I also will try making some deposit to my stake account this afternoon and try some bet copying, since I don't have any particular match in mind to bet on, and I also don't want to play slot or casino games, will try some bet copying and I hope by then, the said error you are talking about must have been fixed, if it's from stake side by the way...

[xLays]

Can you tell me when was the last time they responded to our concerns regarding their VIP program? I've already contacted Stake support on-site, but they couldn't provide information on the current VIP program.

What is your actual concern about the VIP program of Stake? What kind of changes have you noticed there? You will be able to see all the details about Stake VIP program in this article: Stake VIP Program Overview
You will also get some replies about your concern from the forum members if you ask about it here.

Just like many other VIP Platinum members here who received a consistent $5 monthly bonus last month even without playing, they now only receive $1. Stake didn't even provide an explanation for why this reduction in the monthly bonus occurred. And now they're simply stating that the computation of the monthly bonus is correct and no irregularities with the monthly bonus.

[swogerino]

I think Stake needs to fix the error of giving people who place bets in short amount of time,I mean sport bets from copying other people,they just keep giving me the http 429 error which is too many request in a short amount of time,they need to fix this,I am just placing 2 bets now before being put in that error,I just am there waiting,seeing other people bets and copying what bets I find suitable to copy them,however I want to copy lots of such bets as I believe someone will hit it big and I need to be there with the bet copied  .

Well, been a while since I last copied any bet on stake, even though I used to really engage myself in doing that a lot in previous times for the same believe as yours   , but I haven't really been lucky since I've never copied any bet that made it to winning.

In all the times I've engaged myself in copying bets from other players, I've never did encounter the error you are talking about, and neither have I ever encountered any error per say, so if indeed, the error you are talking about is a system error from stake, I trust that by now, they must have discovered and possibly are fixing it already.
I also will try making some deposit to my stake account this afternoon and try some bet copying, since I don't have any particular match in mind to bet on, and I also don't want to play slot or casino games, will try some bet copying and I hope by then, the said error you are talking about must have been fixed, if it's from stake side by the way...

They need to fix it as to access my account I used 4G from my phone for some time.Of course by copying bets is just some random play but I have won about 6 bets already in 5-6 days doing this,copying bets,I just give a quick scan to the games that are in different parlays and then choose to bet on or not.May be since I click a lot of multis to check,maybe it is because of that that stake gives me error 429,too many requests in a short amount of time,hopefully they fix it as it really need to be fixed,I want to copy a lot of bets and I don't want to delay the process  .

[ryzaadit]

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There is no need to explain over and over again.

Because he just looking for some attention. The more you respond, the more he gonna send the same thing on the thread. It's better to explain one time, and I have already seen multiple people explain it to him.

He still doing the same things, so wasted a lot resource.

[Mahdirakib]

Just like many other VIP Platinum members here who received a consistent $5 monthly bonus last month even without playing, they now only receive $1. Stake didn't even provide an explanation for why this reduction in the monthly bonus occurred. And now they're simply stating that the computation of the monthly bonus is correct and no irregularities with the monthly bonus.

The answer is inside your inquiry. The bonus has been decreased for those users who don't make deposits and wager a good amount. The base reward for the VIP rank has been removed a few months ago. Now you need to have some activity (deposit + wager) to be eligible for the base reward. I'm Platinum III on both Primedice and Stake. I have the experience of getting less than $5 from the Primedice monthly bonus for my inactivity. While I never received low amount like that in Stake as I'm an active gambler there.

[BlackyJacky]

TwitchySeal claims that below "Statistics" bets won and lost refer to dealer hands won and lost.

He also gives us the statistic of dealer hands won and lost:

https://i.gyazo.com/32faa13ec0a1e8fb3f020990465e8e0b.png

42,5% of dealer hands are won, 8,5% of dealer hands are push and 49% of dealer hands are lost.

If we reduce the 42,5% of dealer hands won from the 49% of dealer hands lost, that means a player loses 6,5% of the dealer hands.

Here is the proof why TwitchySeal is lying!

If bets won and lost refer to dealer hands won and lost, then I lost 4,6% of the dealer hands.

That would mean I lost 1,9% less dealer hands and experienced a 1,9% player edge (6,5% - 4,6% = 1,9% player edge)

1,9% player edge means that I won 1,9% of the total amount wagered.

1,9% of 9,5 million USD wagered = 180,000 USD profit.

But as I lost around 30,000 USD from my pocket instead of winning 180,000 USD, bets won and lost can not refer to dealer hands won and lost!

You see?

TwitchySeal is too stupid to understand basic math and publicly lies that bets won and lost refers to dealer hands won and lost!

He is also too stupid to understand, that if the advertised house edge is 0,5% and my Stake statistics states that I lost 4,6% of the bets placed, that the Stake in-house Black Jack system must be rigged!

[Hispo]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

Actually, when comes to unsupported accusations of scamming or fraud, I do not think we should leave people to spread around misinformation and continue to go unchallenged, what would happened if someone who does not fully understand the laws of probablities or some basic math started to read things like that and none challenged? There would be matter of time before some of those people who are not as experienced as you or Twitchy seal are started to believe or even repeat things which are not accurate.
I am sure you have personally known cases of misinformation spreading like wildfire when people do not even care to check the statements they share with others. That is the reason I challenge BTC FUD when I can or speak against quacks who profit off the health of other people (who have been convinced their AIDS can be cured with seawater and Tea).
So, even though it is TS' personal choice to reply those posts, I applaud him for taking the time to do so.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

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It's crazy to see your action

You have more time to response to these, over, and over again + explain to him. It's clear, he doesn't want to read your clarification or explanation. If I was you, I just ignore him and put him on ignore. The more you response him, more chance he keep posting. If everyone ignore him, then he just posted some spam complain to here and since no body response him. He will be tired by him self, and be gone (like usual typical user like him).

He doesn't care with other people argument, he only care by his story and hoping/supporting people who have the same thought with him.

Actually, when comes to unsupported accusations of scamming or fraud, I do not think we should leave people to spread around misinformation and continue to go unchallenged, what would happened if someone who does not fully understand the laws of probablities or some basic math started to read things like that and none challenged? There would be matter of time before some of those people who are not as experienced as you or Twitchy seal are started to believe or even repeat things which are not accurate.
I am sure you have personally known cases of misinformation spreading like wildfire when people do not even care to check the statements they share with others. That is the reason I challenge BTC FUD when I can or speak against quacks who profit off the health of other people (who have been convinced their AIDS can be cured with seawater and Tea).
So, even though it is TS' personal choice to reply those posts, I applaud him for taking the time to do so.

Just ignore this guy, otherwise he keeps spamming.
Nobody can tell me that ALL bets of his shown in the statistics tab are from blackjack, that is NEVER real.
So they numbers he is claiming are also false, and that's why not even necessary to have a discussion about them.

We see these people come and go here. Just keep your business in your scam accusation thread. Spamming here makes more and more people just clicking on the ignore button.

Just complain about this on reddit or the stake forum, there u might find more interest.

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[Over $9,000] The Sky Is The Limit



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Giveaway's Topic: https://stakecommunity.com/topic/81647-%F0%9F%A5%87-over-9000-the-sky-is-the-limit-%F0%9F%94%A2/

[IndependentGambler]

BlackyJacky Doesn't even seem to be trolling. Twitchy showing off the class they are, not only explaining once in a clear and thorough answer, but several times. applauded.