Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[sorrros]

Indeed it doesn't seem the recovery happened overnight

[varun555]

A Zerocoin avatar has already been implemented in the newly launched ZeroVert coin. It also has Vertcoin Lead Developer Bushido on board.

[gnosiscameeh420]

A Zerocoin avatar has already been implemented in the newly launched ZeroVert coin. It also has Vertcoin Lead Developer Bushido on board.

Do you want to be funny or stupid?

[varun555]

A Zerocoin avatar has already been implemented in the newly launched ZeroVert coin. It also has Vertcoin Lead Developer Bushido on board.

Do you want to be funny or stupid?

How do you mean?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846471.60

http://zerovert.org/mining.html

[gnosiscameeh420]

A Zerocoin avatar has already been implemented in the newly launched ZeroVert coin. It also has Vertcoin Lead Developer Bushido on board.

Do you want to be funny or stupid?

How do you mean?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846471.60

http://zerovert.org/mining.html

Thread and website is your proof?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846471.msg9447503#msg9447503
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846435.msg9439586#msg9439586

[varun555]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846435.msg9439586#msg9439586

Yeah, curious to know how they set the initial parameters.
No one will buy that shit if they can't proof that it's trustless.

Not yet tested it.

I think that the need for this trustless proof is a classic dilemma : You wont trust them until it's all opensource and it would copied like crazy the moment it is !

The premine seems to be another reason for a generalized suspicion........ but atleast on of the devs have credible legitimacy and that sort of is  reassuring IMHO.....

All said and done it would not hurt to keep an eye on it before summarily rejecting it , afterall what they intend to offer there is what we are seeking here.

[thecoinmasterexpert]

A Zerocoin avatar has already been implemented in the newly launched ZeroVert coin. It also has Vertcoin Lead Developer Bushido on board.

Do you want to be funny or stupid?

How do you mean?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=846471.60

http://zerovert.org/mining.html

Obviously a lot of planning has gone into zerovert.

About 5 days worth.

http://whois.domaintools.com/zerovert.org

[robinson5]

How about some level of moderation for this thread?

Are you not concerned about these things?

1. K1773R is still blaming the transaction problem on cryptsy.  There have been bugs found in the anoncoin code and cryptsy is compiling from source.  Other exchanges and even desktop qt clients are having the same problem as cryptsy.  So this can't be a cryptsy problem.  I would really like if the devs would work on this problem seeing as a cryptocurrency with transaction problems is obviously really bad.  What are the devs doing to fix this? We need anoncoin back on exchanges asap.

K1773R is in agreement that we should switch to the 0.9.3 codebase.

2. Meeh has been working on myriad auxPoW for the past month but recently asked what myriad auxPoW is.  Since he can't develop something he doesn't know about what has he been doing? An update on the supposed "imminent" hardfork would be great.  The sooner this hardfork happens the sooner anoncoin can fix the difficulty issue.

3. Anoncoin code is still based on bitcoin 0.8.6 which is almost a year old at this point.  Why hasn't the anoncoin code been updated? Bitcoin is currently on 0.9.3 and there have 4 updates in between 0.8.6 and 0.9.3.  Why has anoncoin missed all 4 updates?  Gnosis recently posted that meeh was working on updating the code to 0.9.3 but that concerns me because meeh was also supposed to be working on myriad auxPoW but seems to not be doing too well with that either.

Meeh definitely knows what myriad is, so this was probably a misunderstanding. Anyway, I am doing the porting to 0.9.3 and adding a replacement for KGW. Our faulty difficulty algorithm is a major contributor to block difficulty oscillation. After all this is released, either myself or another developer (probably not meeh) will work on myriad auxpow. Meeh seems to be extremely busy with his job these past weeks, but we are capable of doing this without him.

4. This conversation with ian miers of zerocash is also troubling.  He doesn't seem to think our RSA UFO's are strong enough.  https://twitter.com/secparam/status/449576116161089537

He doesn't seem to get it. Maybe Twitter is the wrong medium for such conversations.

It appears that he thinks an n-bit random integer has a 100% probability of being factored in T time by an attacker (in other words, he thinks there's no variation in time to factor). This is definitely not the case. Also, if it was the case, then the Sander UFO construction would not be secure.

Thank you Gnosis for explaining everything and for all your hard work on anoncoin! This really helped settle my concerns

[robinson5]

Is zerovert claiming to already have zerocoin implemented or that they are about to soon? I'm hesitant to believe them since anoncoin has been working on it for a while and zerovert just popped up out of nowhere.  Does anyone have any information about them?

[Jungian]

Is zerovert claiming to already have zerocoin implemented or that they are about to soon? I'm hesitant to believe them since anoncoin has been working on it for a while and zerovert just popped up out of nowhere.  Does anyone have any information about them?

They claim it's already implemented. Same dev as Vertcoin

[K1773R]

Is zerovert claiming to already have zerocoin implemented or that they are about to soon? I'm hesitant to believe them since anoncoin has been working on it for a while and zerovert just popped up out of nowhere.  Does anyone have any information about them?

They claim it's already implemented. Same dev as Vertcoin

Well, then its a lie.

[DrZambeziPhD]

To save some time and money for people interested in anonymous currency I will reiterate what has already been pointed out.

To create socalled trustless anonymity no external keys are needed. A conventional wallet can generate 4 keys and from that alone anonymity can be derived that will be a function of time. One wallet will need two protocols and any coins can be switched seemlessly between them. Until you see that do not bet too much.

Of course there are malignant players who want to control currencies. It has always been like that. "We are the good guys. You can trust us to responsibly control your currency, surveil responsibly, only kill bad people blah blah blah".

Until populations are educated sufficiently that bad actors in government cannot survive people must be careful.

Everyone has good intentions. They want to stop drugs, stop terrorism, promote freedom, stop orphan bonobos from starving, save the planet from tyranny, whatever the excuse de jour is.

Until you see an open source trustless anonymity generated from within a conventional wallet using its own keys be wary of the shit being pumped whole chunk into the cryptosphere.

[BombCoin]

y is cryptsy wallet down???

[illodin]

Interesting - please elaborate.

Also, are you currently designing such a system or planning to design at some point? What would you need to make that happen (resources, developers, funding)?

Would that solution (anonymity of the transactions up to that point) be protected from math breakthroughs or quantum computers?

[DrZambeziPhD]

Interesting - please elaborate.

Also, are you currently designing such a system or planning to design at some point? What would you need to make that happen (resources, developers, funding)?

Would that solution (anonymity of the transactions up to that point) be protected from math breakthroughs or quantum computers?

I was extrapolating a feature based on the inherent qualities of wallets, i.e., keys which can give varying degrees of authority or information about funds to other keys.

Your last question, that is the whole point. Math breakthroughs that can be foreseen are not a threat to current keys and would not threaten new uses of those keys within reason. Quantum computers it makes no sense to speculate about. The strength of keys now would take so many trillions of years to break using an array of supercomputers today. No intelligent guess could be made regarding speeds of future computers using newer technology.

As to what is needed 'to make that happen', for you and me only patience.

I point it out so that people who are less inclined to math will stop falling in these traps so easily. A person must be very simple to buy into the Zerocoin that has been peddled on this thread. What will happen when conners or the academic thugs of governments try to pump something more clever? For that reason I warn people, play along quietly but do not trust a coin as anonymous until the anonymity is derived from the same keys used for transactions now. There is no need for more and someone adds more only because either a) they are unable to solve the problem so they cobble something together or b) they have hidden intentions.

If you want to push the issue start a thread on a more technical board asking for analysis and opinions.
http://s13.zetaboards.com/Crypto/forum/3141/
https://www.physicsforums.com/#mathematics.4
http://crypto.stackexchange.com/

A person with just a moderate amount of effort could use a bitcoin wallet with very high anonymity as long as they were okay with all of the coins being anonymous. The most important aspect of anonymity in cryptocurrency today, of course, is simply the computer. If you are at home you are not anonymous. <period.

The most important use for anonymity is evolving. Some people would like you to think anonymity is for buying drugs or guns for alqaeda. Actually anonymity is liberty in almost every country today. If someone controls your money they control your opinion ultimately. Ask any old person.

[lunokhod2]

Message from Meeh

Meeh has asked myself (lunokhod) and cryptoslave to take a more formal role in the Anoncoin project as project managers. This move is designed to give the other developers more time to concentrate on what they do best, all while bringing in extra help to aid in dealing with general organizational and PR issues.

We will provide a more detailed statement in the next 24 hours as to what this will mean in practice. You can rest assured that development is continuing and that the project has not been abandoned: If things were not moving forward, we would never have agreed to take on this responsibility!

https://sigterm.no/pastebin/?63f04c0fc2455287#RParhwYSXqDkdWVNbRCFTzWeYph6//uZWkTVY1tgTIk=

Code:

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as members just as I, K1773R, Gnosis and BroTroxer. Actually I'm stepping down to development leader and they
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[Apraksin]

Message from Meeh

Meeh has asked myself (lunokhod) and cryptoslave to take a more formal role in the Anoncoin project as project managers. This move is designed to give the other developers more time to concentrate on what they do best, all while bringing in extra help to aid in dealing with general organizational and PR issues.

We will provide a more detailed statement in the next 24 hours as to what this will mean in practice. You can rest assured that development is continuing and that the project has not been abandoned: If things were not moving forward, we would never have agreed to take on this responsibility!

https://sigterm.no/pastebin/?63f04c0fc2455287#RParhwYSXqDkdWVNbRCFTzWeYph6//uZWkTVY1tgTIk=

Code:

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as members just as I, K1773R, Gnosis and BroTroxer. Actually I'm stepping down to development leader and they
will act as project leaders until anything else said.
(Meaning K1773R, Gnosis and BroTroxer or one of them strongly disagree, which I doubt).
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Splendid news, glad to hear it!

[niteglider]

Message from Meeh

Meeh has asked myself (lunokhod) and cryptoslave to take a more formal role in the Anoncoin project as project managers. This move is designed to give the other developers more time to concentrate on what they do best, all while bringing in extra help to aid in dealing with general organizational and PR issues.

We will provide a more detailed statement in the next 24 hours as to what this will mean in practice. You can rest assured that development is continuing and that the project has not been abandoned: If things were not moving forward, we would never have agreed to take on this responsibility!

https://sigterm.no/pastebin/?63f04c0fc2455287#RParhwYSXqDkdWVNbRCFTzWeYph6//uZWkTVY1tgTIk=

Code:

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will act as project leaders until anything else said.
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Well, ok then.  Looking forward to an update and status report.

[LunoPumpANC]

Message from Meeh

Meeh has asked myself (lunokhod) and cryptoslave to take a more formal role in the Anoncoin project as project managers. This move is designed to give the other developers more time to concentrate on what they do best, all while bringing in extra help to aid in dealing with general organizational and PR issues.

We will provide a more detailed statement in the next 24 hours as to what this will mean in practice. You can rest assured that development is continuing and that the project has not been abandoned: If things were not moving forward, we would never have agreed to take on this responsibility!

https://sigterm.no/pastebin/?63f04c0fc2455287#RParhwYSXqDkdWVNbRCFTzWeYph6//uZWkTVY1tgTIk=

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Good joke.
Meeh Last Active: October 07, 2014, 02:54:44 PM
Meeh Last Post: October 04, 2014, 04:19:08 AM

He really was very active as PR. Now we understand why he did not do his job of developer.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=106663;sa=showPosts

We had the Meeh pump and dump last year.
We had the Gnosis pump and dump some weeks ago.
Now, place to the lunokhod2 pump and dump. Expect zerocoin release early next year!
Who will be the next pump and dump actor?

[Cryptoslave]

Hi!

I will do my best to provide a healthy direction to the Anoncoin network

I recognize the situation could look better than what it is now but it is only because this coin is still a work in progress

But progress only go forward and there is the promise of a great future for ANC!