Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[Apraksin]

Sorry, I'm not a techy person so I really can't answer that with any degree of certainty, but I would believe Gunzeons answer above my comment could perhaps shed some light on the problem?

Now I see. There wasn't any block mined since yesterday. Didn't I said already that ANC needs PoW/PoS instead of PoW to stop this crap happening?   Especially if we want it to be able to work on I2P smoothly.

AFAIK auxpow is to be implemented with the next hard fork, should solve the problem.

[matthewh3]

Sorry, I'm not a techy person so I really can't answer that with any degree of certainty, but I would believe Gunzeons answer above my comment could perhaps shed some light on the problem?

Now I see. There wasn't any block mined since yesterday. Didn't I said already that ANC needs PoW/PoS instead of PoW to stop this crap happening?   Especially if we want it to be able to work on I2P smoothly.

AFAIK auxpow is to be implemented with the next hard fork, should solve the problem.

Yeah and they're also implementing an auxPoW of either three or five chains myriad.  Which should help to add even more redundancy.

[AnonCoinTwitter]

@meeh,   any sleep these days?

Yes actually So I'll get back soon, just need to be awaken enough :p

I've also almost made ready a critical hardfork patch in case we'll get more attacks. Just a bit more sleep and it's done

Looking forward to the new (auxPoW three of five chain myriad) patch!

Hopefully this will correct the mining difficulty stuck Cryptsy transactions issues!

https://twitter.com/AnoncoinTeam/status/519818208719962114

[varun555]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

[AnonCoinTwitter]

FYI Coin Telegraph said they would add us to their page if we agree to retweet their news
http://cointelegraph.com/category/altcoin_catalog

I will try to retweet news I feel is relevant to Anoncoin holders

[mathgal23]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

[Simcom]

If any scrypt miners are out there it would be awesome if you could mine ANC for a bit to help crack this block.

[varun555]

If any scrypt miners are out there it would be awesome if you could mine ANC for a bit to help crack this block.

On it for the last 20+hours !!!!

[varun555]

If any scrypt miners are out there it would be awesome if you could mine ANC for a bit to help crack this block.

On it for the last 20+hours !!!!

Where do you mine by the way?

[matthewh3]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

I think he means three or five chain myriad.  Look at how Myriadcoin works having not one but many blockchains.  Anoncoin is doing something similar except with merged-mine auxPoW chains.  Similar to how Dogecoin is now merged-mined with Llitecoin and how Namecoin is merged-mined with Bitcoin.  Using a three chain myriad an attacker would need to control two of the three chains to pull a 51% attack or similar control of the coins networks.  Using a five chain myriad an attacker would need to control three of the five chains to pull a 51% attack or similar.  Also by using multiple chains we avoid a lot other problems that are affecting Anoncoin now.  Like multipools jumping on and off the only chain as they would either be two or four other chains hashing away.  Depending on whether a three or five chain myriad is implemented.  Using auxPoW merged-mine chains we'll poach a lot of miners off these large chains to also merged-mine Anoncoin at no extra costs.  

[varun555]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

I think he means three or five chain myriad.  Look at how Myriadcoin works having not one but many blockchains.  Anoncoin is doing something similar except with merged-mine auxPoW chains.  Similar to how Dogecoin is now merged-mined with Llitecoin and how Namecoin is merged-mined with Bitcoin.  Using a three chain myriad an attacker would need to control two of the three chains to pull a 51% attack or similar control of the coins networks.  Using a five chain myriad an attacker would need to control three of the five chains to pull a 51% attack or similar.  Also by using multiple chains we avoid a lot other problems that are affecting Anoncoin now.  Like multipools jumping on and off the only chain as they would either be two or four other chains hashing away.  Depending on whether a three or five chain myriad is implemented.  Using auxPoW merged-mine chains we'll poach a lot of miners off these large chains to also merged-mine Anoncoin at no extra costs.  

This is the explanation I wanted. Thanks a ton !

[matthewh3]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

I think he means three or five chain myriad.  Look at how Myriadcoin works having not one but many blockchains.  Anoncoin is doing something similar except with merged-mine auxPoW chains.  Similar to how Dogecoin is now merged-mined with Llitecoin and how Namecoin is merged-mined with Bitcoin.  Using a three chain myriad an attacker would need to control two of the three chains to pull a 51% attack or similar control of the coins networks.  Using a five chain myriad an attacker would need to control three of the five chains to pull a 51% attack or similar.  Also by using multiple chains we avoid a lot other problems that are affecting Anoncoin now.  Like multipools jumping on and off the only chain as they would either be two or four other chains hashing away.  Depending on whether a three or five chain myriad is implemented.  Using auxPoW merged-mine chains we'll poach a lot of miners off these large chains to also merged-mine Anoncoin at no extra costs.  

This is the explanation I wanted. Thanks a ton !

So it makes sense to set up the auxPoW with bigger chains as they already have lots of miners who'd potentially also mine Anoncoin for free.  It makes sense to auxPoW on Scrypt as Anocoin is currently Scrypt plus the Litecoin chain is secure and the network large.  So anyone who mines Litecoin and Dogecoin could then also mine Anoncoin for free.  Then it makes sense to have a second chain focused on CPU mining.  So either Primes or Cryptonight.  Then a GPU chain also of which the upcoming NeoScrypt looks like it will be the largest GPU network chain.  Although there is also Scrypt-N Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 algorithm to look at as well.  So you could have a Scrypt ASIC chain plus a Cryptonight or Primes CPU chain and a NeoScrypt GPU chain for a three chain myriad.  Or for a five chain myriad, Scrypt, Primes, Cryptonight, NeoScrypt and Lyra2  For one Scrypt ASIC chain, plus one or two CPU chains and either one or two GPU chains.

[varun555]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

I think he means three or five chain myriad.  Look at how Myriadcoin works having not one but many blockchains.  Anoncoin is doing something similar except with merged-mine auxPoW chains.  Similar to how Dogecoin is now merged-mined with Llitecoin and how Namecoin is merged-mined with Bitcoin.  Using a three chain myriad an attacker would need to control two of the three chains to pull a 51% attack or similar control of the coins networks.  Using a five chain myriad an attacker would need to control three of the five chains to pull a 51% attack or similar.  Also by using multiple chains we avoid a lot other problems that are affecting Anoncoin now.  Like multipools jumping on and off the only chain as they would either be two or four other chains hashing away.  Depending on whether a three or five chain myriad is implemented.  Using auxPoW merged-mine chains we'll poach a lot of miners off these large chains to also merged-mine Anoncoin at no extra costs.  

This is the explanation I wanted. Thanks a ton !

So it makes sense to set up the auxPoW with bigger chains as they already have lots of miners who'd potentially also mine Anoncoin for free.  It makes sense to auxPoW on Scrypt as Anocoin is currently Scrypt plus the Litecoin chain is secure and the network large.  So anyone who mines Litecoin and Dogecoin could then also mine Anoncoin for free.  Then it makes sense to have a second chain focused on CPU mining.  So either Primes or Cryptonight.  Then a GPU chain also of which the upcoming NeoScrypt looks like it will be the largest GPU network chain.  Although there is also Scrypt-N Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 algorithm to look at as well.  So you could have a Scrypt ASIC chain plus a Cryptonight or Primes CPU chain and a NeoScrypt GPU chain for a three chain myriad.  Or for a five chain myriad, Scrypt, Primes, Cryptonight, NeoScrypt and Lyra2  For one Scrypt ASIC chain, plus one or two CPU chains and either one or two GPU chains.

Got it !

[matthewh3]

What is the meaning of "three of five chain myriad" , please?

Basically our current PoW system has a number of weaknesses as discussed in this thread. Here is an issue about how Dogecoin switched to AuxPow to address some of the problems we are having:

http://www.coindesk.com/dogecoin-allow-litecoin-merge-mining/

I think he means three or five chain myriad.  Look at how Myriadcoin works having not one but many blockchains.  Anoncoin is doing something similar except with merged-mine auxPoW chains.  Similar to how Dogecoin is now merged-mined with Llitecoin and how Namecoin is merged-mined with Bitcoin.  Using a three chain myriad an attacker would need to control two of the three chains to pull a 51% attack or similar control of the coins networks.  Using a five chain myriad an attacker would need to control three of the five chains to pull a 51% attack or similar.  Also by using multiple chains we avoid a lot other problems that are affecting Anoncoin now.  Like multipools jumping on and off the only chain as they would either be two or four other chains hashing away.  Depending on whether a three or five chain myriad is implemented.  Using auxPoW merged-mine chains we'll poach a lot of miners off these large chains to also merged-mine Anoncoin at no extra costs.  

This is the explanation I wanted. Thanks a ton !

So it makes sense to set up the auxPoW with bigger chains as they already have lots of miners who'd potentially also mine Anoncoin for free.  It makes sense to auxPoW on Scrypt as Anocoin is currently Scrypt plus the Litecoin chain is secure and the network large.  So anyone who mines Litecoin and Dogecoin could then also mine Anoncoin for free.  Then it makes sense to have a second chain focused on CPU mining.  So either Primes or Cryptonight.  Then a GPU chain also of which the upcoming NeoScrypt looks like it will be the largest GPU network chain.  Although there is also Scrypt-N Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 algorithm to look at as well.  So you could have a Scrypt ASIC chain plus a Cryptonight or Primes CPU chain and a NeoScrypt GPU chain for a three chain myriad.  Or for a five chain myriad, Scrypt, Primes, Cryptonight, NeoScrypt and Lyra2  For one Scrypt ASIC chain, plus one or two CPU chains and either one or two GPU chains.

Got it !

Only Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 is the only coin mentioned committed on sticking to GPU mining that's why I mentioned it in preference of Maxcoin Keyack chain.  Which could easily have an ASIC designed for if the coin became valuable enough to do so.  I also feel that Feathercoin with NeoScrypt would go ASIC if the economics made sense.  While Monero the current largest Cryptonight coin seem pretty committed to CPU mining.  I'm not too sure on Primecoin's commitment to staying only CPU as I think they'd welcome a Primes hashing ASIC.  There is also SHA-256d auxPoW to work to look at but most of the Bitcoin pools only hash BTC and NMC while ignoring the rest of the SHA-256d auxPoW coins.  With the exception of GHash.io, mmpool and some P2Pool miners.  Who do mine all the SHA256d auxPoW coins that work well atleast.

[Simcom]

So it makes sense to set up the auxPoW with bigger chains as they already have lots of miners who'd potentially also mine Anoncoin for free.  It makes sense to auxPoW on Scrypt as Anocoin is currently Scrypt plus the Litecoin chain is secure and the network large.  So anyone who mines Litecoin and Dogecoin could then also mine Anoncoin for free.  Then it makes sense to have a second chain focused on CPU mining.  So either Primes or Cryptonight.  Then a GPU chain also of which the upcoming NeoScrypt looks like it will be the largest GPU network chain.  Although there is also Scrypt-N Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 algorithm to look at as well.  So you could have a Scrypt ASIC chain plus a Cryptonight or Primes CPU chain and a NeoScrypt GPU chain for a three chain myriad.  Or for a five chain myriad, Scrypt, Primes, Cryptonight, NeoScrypt and Lyra2  For one Scrypt ASIC chain, plus one or two CPU chains and either one or two GPU chains.

Just a quick correction - Cryptonight is largely GPU mined at the moment (google "Claymore GPU miner").

[Simcom]

AuxPOW + Myraid sounds super complicated - has Meeh confirmed that this is what the plan is?  I agree that this is definitely a good thing for the coin, as long as Meeh feels confident that it can be implemented without issue. Most important is maybe a switch from kgw to some other retargeting algo (I assume there are retargeting algos that might fix this issue of large difficulty spikes from block to block). Maybe dark gravity well?

[K1773R]

AuxPOW + Myraid sounds super complicated - has Meeh confirmed that this is what the plan is?  I agree that this is definitely a good thing for the coin, as long as Meeh feels confident that it can be implemented without issue. Most important is maybe a switch from kgw to some other retargeting algo (I assume there are retargeting algos that might fix this issue of large difficulty spikes from block to block). Maybe dark gravity well?

I say the same thing as the last time, before we switched to KGW. Ther eis no susch thing that protects from high hashrate spikes and never will be...

[Simcom]

AuxPOW + Myraid sounds super complicated - has Meeh confirmed that this is what the plan is?  I agree that this is definitely a good thing for the coin, as long as Meeh feels confident that it can be implemented without issue. Most important is maybe a switch from kgw to some other retargeting algo (I assume there are retargeting algos that might fix this issue of large difficulty spikes from block to block). Maybe dark gravity well?

I say the same thing as the last time, before we switched to KGW. Ther eis no susch thing that protects from high hashrate spikes and never will be...

Alright fair enough - I guess auxPOW is the best solution then.

[matthewh3]

So it makes sense to set up the auxPoW with bigger chains as they already have lots of miners who'd potentially also mine Anoncoin for free.  It makes sense to auxPoW on Scrypt as Anocoin is currently Scrypt plus the Litecoin chain is secure and the network large.  So anyone who mines Litecoin and Dogecoin could then also mine Anoncoin for free.  Then it makes sense to have a second chain focused on CPU mining.  So either Primes or Cryptonight.  Then a GPU chain also of which the upcoming NeoScrypt looks like it will be the largest GPU network chain.  Although there is also Scrypt-N Vertcoin which is soon to change to Lyra2 algorithm to look at as well.  So you could have a Scrypt ASIC chain plus a Cryptonight or Primes CPU chain and a NeoScrypt GPU chain for a three chain myriad.  Or for a five chain myriad, Scrypt, Primes, Cryptonight, NeoScrypt and Lyra2  For one Scrypt ASIC chain, plus one or two CPU chains and either one or two GPU chains.

Just a quick correction - Cryptonight is largely GPU mined at the moment (google "Claymore GPU miner").

You can get over 56H/s on four threads of an eight threaded 20W TDP Atom CPU.  That's probably as good as any GPU efficiency wise mining Cryptonight.  Also there's no opensource or Linux ATI Cryptonight miner.  While most large GPU miners use both ATI and Linux.  GPU mining Cryptonight doesn't seem any more efficient on GPU than CPU it's probably about the same efficiency wise.  Just that you tend to throw a lot more watts into a GPU than CPU.  I'd argue that most of Monero's hashrate comes from botnets.

[matthewh3]

AuxPOW + Myraid sounds super complicated - has Meeh confirmed that this is what the plan is?  I agree that this is definitely a good thing for the coin, as long as Meeh feels confident that it can be implemented without issue. Most important is maybe a switch from kgw to some other retargeting algo (I assume there are retargeting algos that might fix this issue of large difficulty spikes from block to block). Maybe dark gravity well?

I say the same thing as the last time, before we switched to KGW. Ther eis no susch thing that protects from high hashrate spikes and never will be...

Alright fair enough - I guess auxPOW is the best solution then.

Yes as even using a myriad the network difficulty is set from the chain with the highest difficulty.  So to pick chains with the biggest and steadiest hashrate to auxPoW with is the best solution.