Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[BroTroxer]

Simple ANC price view for mobile in BTC, USD, NOK. http://www.digital1.no/crypto.php

[matthewh3]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.   

[K1773R]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.  

Dosnt matter, its a security/trust issue which i/we (depends what the others think about it) dosnt fit in our threat-model.
Just because most ppl use it, dosnt mean we will make things more vulnerable so its accessable on these "devices".

PS: no offense, i dont visit scumbook links.

[matthewh3]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.  

Dosnt matter, its a security/trust issue which i/we (depends what the others think about it) dosnt fit in our threat-model.
Just because most ppl use it, dosnt mean we will make things more vulnerable so its accessable on these "devices".

PS: no offense, i dont visit scumbook links.

No offense taken I'm not really a fan of closed garden social networks much either but the FBook does have a lot of content.  I2p is being developed for Android so why not potentially an Android wallet via I2p.  Instead of an Electrum build blockchain.info code could potentially be ported and exteneded for Zerocoin.  I'm a desktop PC nerd with a big HDTV for a monitor user myself, but for a large majority of people now it's either smartphones, tablets, netbooks and nettops only.  Although the amount of full PC's in use worldwide is expected to still grow by 25% over the next five years.  So it's certainly not the end of the world staying full and paper wallet only.  Or at least until I2p on Android is fully developed?

[K1773R]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.  

Dosnt matter, its a security/trust issue which i/we (depends what the others think about it) dosnt fit in our threat-model.
Just because most ppl use it, dosnt mean we will make things more vulnerable so its accessable on these "devices".

PS: no offense, i dont visit scumbook links.

No offense taken I'm not really a fan of closed garden social networks much either but the FBook does have a lot of content.  I2p is being developed for Android so why not potentially an Android wallet via I2p.  Instead of an Electrum build blockchain.info code could potentially be ported and exteneded for Zerocoin.  I'm a desktop PC nerd with a big HDTV for a monitor user myself, but for a large majority of people now it's either smartphones, tablets, netbooks and nettops only.  Although the amount of full PC's in use worldwide is expected to still grow by 25% over the next five years.  So it's certainly not the end of the world staying full and paper wallet only.  Or at least until I2p on Android is fully developed?

I have no idea what the current state of I2P @ Android is, you would have to ask str4d@mail.i2p about it (clearnet address is str4d@i2pmail.org).

If I2P works @ Android then we would need a decentralized way of supplying the wallet, so no centralized things like electrum/blockchain.info or similiar. We would have to patch bitcoinj (as this is used normaly) with ANC and ZC support which seems infeasible. We could however deploy anoncoind for the devices and create a GUI around it. This we development dosnt have to happen twice and if new features come into ANC, the android wallet will also have it.
Im against targeted software (software which only runs on platform or device X), as its a waste of time/ressources.

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

[meeh]

Last time I tried to upload a pix on the anoncoin wiki it complained about folder permission...

Full infographic: (https://cdn.anonfiles.com/1412242631687.jpg)
[posted in https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/ and in /r/cryptocurrency too (already burried  )]

I'll check, and make sure you can upload them. But send me your address to meeh at sigterm, and I will pay you for those images, they where awesome!

[Gnosis-]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.  

Dosnt matter, its a security/trust issue which i/we (depends what the others think about it) dosnt fit in our threat-model.
Just because most ppl use it, dosnt mean we will make things more vulnerable so its accessable on these "devices".

PS: no offense, i dont visit scumbook links.

No offense taken I'm not really a fan of closed garden social networks much either but the FBook does have a lot of content.  I2p is being developed for Android so why not potentially an Android wallet via I2p.  Instead of an Electrum build blockchain.info code could potentially be ported and exteneded for Zerocoin.  I'm a desktop PC nerd with a big HDTV for a monitor user myself, but for a large majority of people now it's either smartphones, tablets, netbooks and nettops only.  Although the amount of full PC's in use worldwide is expected to still grow by 25% over the next five years.  So it's certainly not the end of the world staying full and paper wallet only.  Or at least until I2p on Android is fully developed?

I have no idea what the current state of I2P @ Android is, you would have to ask str4d@mail.i2p about it (clearnet address is str4d@i2pmail.org).

If I2P works @ Android then we would need a decentralized way of supplying the wallet, so no centralized things like electrum/blockchain.info or similiar. We would have to patch bitcoinj (as this is used normaly) with ANC and ZC support which seems infeasible. We could however deploy anoncoind for the devices and create a GUI around it. This we development dosnt have to happen twice and if new features come into ANC, the android wallet will also have it.
Im against targeted software (software which only runs on platform or device X), as its a waste of time/ressources.

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

What about an Android client that is not a full Anoncoin node, but instead talks (over I2P) to a server that the user sets up on their own PC, or syncs up with it over LAN when the user is at home? This would still be fully decentralized, since it's one of the user's devices trusting another device owned by that same user, rather than trusting a server run by somebody else.

I'm a bit skeptical that the current generation of smartphones can verify blocks containing a lot of Zerocoin mints and spends, and store the required amount of ZC spend proofs. It might require more cores, more flash, better battery technology, etc.

EDIT: And w.r.t. matthewh3's statistic about the number of smartphone users, we should not consider the general Internet population, but instead the privacy-conscious Internet population as our customers, and much more of them would be reluctant to use smartphones for purposes that require good anonymity (for life-or-death situations, etc.) It's become more or less common knowledge among such types that smartphones are a highly opaque hardware and software stack compared to PCs, and much less certain that there are no backdoors... therefore, we would expect the privacy-conscious demographic to be skewed toward more PCs and fewer smartphones.

[drAGon925]

All devs at the same page, this ever happened??  

zANC  up  BTC down


 

@gnosis,   everything go as planned?

@meeh,   any sleep these days?

@K1,   24/7h security guy, keep working  

I almost forgot,  good to see you Brotroxer!

Regards to all ANC supporters, and have a nice weekend!

[SmokingSkull]

Ugh I barely have time to follow updated being made here.

hope all is fine! And think of advertising ... I once did the suggestion to go to https://www.fiverr.com/categories/online-marketing/#layout=auto&page=1
and check out some of these people to get Anoncoin to some PR, maybe even outside the darkweb.

[lunokhod2]

Graphics are now working on the wiki (thanks Meeh!). Feel free to upload anything you want. Here is an example

Anoncoin press materials

[K1773R]

Now that the lightweight wallet Electrum has been ported to Litecoin.  I feel strongly that we should start a crowdfunding campaign for a bounty for porting Electrum to Anoncoin.  And the building of an Electrum plugin for Zerocoin.

You would have to find a person who does this. I dont see Electrum as healthy for the network. Im not talking about the trust/security issue.

There's now a lot more sole mobile and lightweight devices users then there is people who have access to their own PC.  Plus sooner rather than later Electrum will be officially in the Android Play store.  

Dosnt matter, its a security/trust issue which i/we (depends what the others think about it) dosnt fit in our threat-model.
Just because most ppl use it, dosnt mean we will make things more vulnerable so its accessable on these "devices".

PS: no offense, i dont visit scumbook links.

No offense taken I'm not really a fan of closed garden social networks much either but the FBook does have a lot of content.  I2p is being developed for Android so why not potentially an Android wallet via I2p.  Instead of an Electrum build blockchain.info code could potentially be ported and exteneded for Zerocoin.  I'm a desktop PC nerd with a big HDTV for a monitor user myself, but for a large majority of people now it's either smartphones, tablets, netbooks and nettops only.  Although the amount of full PC's in use worldwide is expected to still grow by 25% over the next five years.  So it's certainly not the end of the world staying full and paper wallet only.  Or at least until I2p on Android is fully developed?

I have no idea what the current state of I2P @ Android is, you would have to ask str4d@mail.i2p about it (clearnet address is str4d@i2pmail.org).

If I2P works @ Android then we would need a decentralized way of supplying the wallet, so no centralized things like electrum/blockchain.info or similiar. We would have to patch bitcoinj (as this is used normaly) with ANC and ZC support which seems infeasible. We could however deploy anoncoind for the devices and create a GUI around it. This we development dosnt have to happen twice and if new features come into ANC, the android wallet will also have it.
Im against targeted software (software which only runs on platform or device X), as its a waste of time/ressources.

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

What about an Android client that is not a full Anoncoin node, but instead talks (over I2P) to a server that the user sets up on their own PC, or syncs up with it over LAN when the user is at home? This would still be fully decentralized, since it's one of the user's devices trusting another device owned by that same user, rather than trusting a server run by somebody else.

I'm a bit skeptical that the current generation of smartphones can verify blocks containing a lot of Zerocoin mints and spends, and store the required amount of ZC spend proofs. It might require more cores, more flash, better battery technology, etc.

EDIT: And w.r.t. matthewh3's statistic about the number of smartphone users, we should not consider the general Internet population, but instead the privacy-conscious Internet population as our customers, and much more of them would be reluctant to use smartphones for purposes that require good anonymity (for life-or-death situations, etc.) It's become more or less common knowledge among such types that smartphones are a highly opaque hardware and software stack compared to PCs, and much less certain that there are no backdoors... therefore, we would expect the privacy-conscious demographic to be skewed toward more PCs and fewer smartphones.

If its implemented like i said, then ti dosnt matter where the full node resides. all you need is a connection to the RPC. This also would solve the issue with too few ressources wrt CPU/RAM.
I also agree on the look wrt devices, ppl who want ANC+ZC in the future are certainly not the most stupid folks.

[entertheabyss]

hashrate and price are slowly creeping up

Q. What will you do with your anoncoin profits once ZC is implemented?

[niteglider]

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

What?  Seriously?  Link, pretty please?

[niteglider]

hashrate and price are slowly creeping up

Q. What will you do with your anoncoin profits once ZC is implemented?

Silly geek, ANCs are for privacy, not profit!

Ummm, but maybe I'd buy a private island privately?

Seriously... if it every really blows up, and I can use half of my ANCs to pay off my student loans, I'll do that.

[meeh]

@meeh,   any sleep these days?

Yes actually So I'll get back soon, just need to be awaken enough :p

I've also almost made ready a critical hardfork patch in case we'll get more attacks. Just a bit more sleep and it's done

[meeh]

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

What?  Seriously?  Link, pretty please?

It differs from phone to phone. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php
Hopfully it would give you an start.


Anyway if you got root, why not download one of those Linux installers? It works like an image file you boot up, and can communicate with it over a VNC client. It was how I did it with my Nexus some months ago, but hopefully it's better solutions out there now Take a search

[niteglider]

PS: it is possible to flash most android phone with a real linux system tough normal users wont do that.

What?  Seriously?  Link, pretty please?

It differs from phone to phone. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/index.php
Hopfully it would give you an start.


Anyway if you got root, why not download one of those Linux installers? It works like an image file you boot up, and can communicate with it over a VNC client. It was how I did it with my Nexus some months ago, but hopefully it's better solutions out there now Take a search

Thank you.  I had no idea. [big smiley face!]

[semidead]

This seems neat. Thanks for contributing. 

[gunzeon]

Hi Tor Anoncoin buffs,

I have rebuilt and renamed my server thus so please feel free to stick it in your anoncoin.conf, ie:
addnode=45y2lyszn5qnpt3l.onion
have changed this to:
addnode=anoncoinmpkoerba.onion

It seems to me there's no .onion name resolution or peer exchange, and so we need to exchange tor addresses, but if there is another way can someone please explain it to me ?

thanks
 

[anonymousxx1503]

Is a wallet/logo redesign in the works somewhere (timed with the ZC release?)? The low res splash screen on the ANC wallet hurts my eyes. Looks unprofessional.