Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[AnonCoinTwitter]

This is fucked up. From an assured Oct 15th testnet, to a week delay, to a 2-3 month delay. There's really nothing I can say, very weird way of acting.

When the darkcoin dev made a few mistakes along the way, I always felt assured that he would pull through with results, since he had his real name and face out there since day 1 (and had been delivering actual results) . With gnosis it feels like he can just walk away from all this stuff if he decides to and no one can hold him accountable for it. If he feels the task is too big after all, all he needs to do is stop posting.

These "delays" are going on for around a year already.

Do not send any donations. As long as they receive donations they will pretend an activity "2 weeks" (TM). If gnosis was ever serious he would finish the coin long time ago and could become rich instantly from its repricing. But he is focused on cashing the donations only. Why is that?

If I was not serious about implementing Zerocoin, don't you think I would have cashed out my donations by now? Note that they haven't moved: http://ancblockchain.com/address/AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6

Listen, no one has even come close to the possible breakthrough that ANC/ZC represents. We recognize this isn't an easy undertaking and I'll admit, I was surprised at the fast time table ^_^. Shit happens, no worry lol. We understand that the coding takes time and are just a bit disappointed. The promise is still there and really the only hope for the future. I think the most important thing is just the question as to whether we can still get the initial hard fork to deal with multipool dumping/gaming the system and the txid >100kb transaction issue, aka digishield implementation + aux/pow. I think facilitating those updates in a short term manner, like immediately, would do a lot to help stabilize any uncertainty regarding the coins future. As long as we can still transfer coins back and forth from exchanges and private holders it helps address the a lot of the concerns; then we just wait for zc but can help work on the network strength in the meantime. Meeh, whats the good word ?

I agree with last comment above. We are urgently waiting for a word from Meeh and an upgrade to at least get stability and withdraw from the exchanges.

+2

Fix the fundamentals first. Anoncoin is still very relevant but the basics needs to be in place. The level of communication and planning is astonishingly bad.

+3

I still see a great future for this coin, but we need the hard fork (dealing with the difficulty issue) ASAP then AuxPow.

Once that is done I am willing to try to find additional programmers to join the Zerocoin project.

This time donations should be held in escrow until the project is complete.

[CookieL]

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[tljenson]

This is fucked up. From an assured Oct 15th testnet, to a week delay, to a 2-3 month delay. There's really nothing I can say, very weird way of acting.

When the darkcoin dev made a few mistakes along the way, I always felt assured that he would pull through with results, since he had his real name and face out there since day 1 (and had been delivering actual results) . With gnosis it feels like he can just walk away from all this stuff if he decides to and no one can hold him accountable for it. If he feels the task is too big after all, all he needs to do is stop posting.

These "delays" are going on for around a year already.

Do not send any donations. As long as they receive donations they will pretend an activity "2 weeks" (TM). If gnosis was ever serious he would finish the coin long time ago and could become rich instantly from its repricing. But he is focused on cashing the donations only. Why is that?

If I was not serious about implementing Zerocoin, don't you think I would have cashed out my donations by now? Note that they haven't moved: http://ancblockchain.com/address/AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6

I don't know where this shit storm of FUD came from, but I for one still believe in you. I just bought some more ANON, and these idiots are going to be sorry they dumped.

[novdatdmp]

There will be a data dump in nov. One of the biggest yet. It details efforts to discredit the anonymous movement. Anoncoin is mentioned thousands of times in the small sections that have been reviewed so far. Can post a few gb early if you like.

What data? Please explain, and post.

3gb has been links posted on darknet.

ANC soon nickname nsacoin.

[drAGon925]

@tljenson

Just go through his last posts,
7 days delay
in 3 days he is late for 2 days
+ smiles that he have bunch of time in next 4 days
promise of news in 21h , and get back in 10h with 2-3 months delay.

before all that, he warn us of maybe not be online much..

WTF

[tljenson]

@tljenson

Just go through his last posts,
7 days delay
in 3 days he is late for 2 days
+ smiles that he have bunch of time in next 4 days
promise of news in 21h , and get back in 10h with 2-3 months delay.

before all that, he warn us of maybe not be online much..

WTF

Look he made a bad estimate, that's a far cry from saying this coin isn't doable. If he pulls this off, and he seems confident that he can, this will be the ANON coin to end all anon coins. That is HUGE! What it means when he pulls it off he will have developers standing in line to help him. He will have so much help it won't even be funny. That is a risk worth taking. That is why I am buying up coins now.  

[tljenson]

I think this speaks for its self. If this coin is dying why would anybody put this much into it, if he or she didn't think they would make a killing.

[statdude]

@tljenson

Just go through his last posts,
7 days delay
in 3 days he is late for 2 days
+ smiles that he have bunch of time in next 4 days
promise of news in 21h , and get back in 10h with 2-3 months delay.

before all that, he warn us of maybe not be online much..

WTF

Look he made a bad estimate, that's a far cry from saying this coin isn't doable. If he pulls this off, and he seems confident that he can, this will be the ANON coin to end all anon coins. That is HUGE! What it means when he pulls it off he will have developers standing in line to help him. He will have so much help it won't even be funny. That is a risk worth taking. That is why I am buying up coins now.  

The nonchalance is what everyone is pissed about - and this isn't the first time - this is the 1000xth delays like this has happened on ANC, I guess that's why it's nowhere near Doge / LTC / even Monero like it could be.

I dont care if it will take you 2 years to implement ZC, at least be clear, it sounded like a guarantee a testnet would be out in a week. Now it sounds more like a planned DEV pump and dump like happens all the time on shitcoins (buy --> set timeline --> sell ---> delay timeline --> buy --> set timeline ...... PROFIT)

[statdude]

I think this speaks for its self. If this coin is dying why would anybody put this much into it, if he or she didn't think they would make a killing.

It's probably Gnosis, buying up for ----80% the price it was before his dump. Quick 500% return once he pumps it back up. 

[tljenson]

Do you really think at this point he has a chance in hell of pumping a coin up enough BY HIMSELF? Here is another example.



That is over one thousand dollars USD

[tljenson]

As you can see, that is a lot of money.

[DFJ]

Why are we circling 3 BTC transactions...?  Anyhow code updates are real... You can see the commits on github.  RSA-UFO achievement is real and material.  I don't know what the right price is right now given the delay, but it is not beneath the all-time low when this coin did not have those achievements...  Maybe we settle around 100k-120k once people realize the above and then go up again when at least the dif / etc. fixes happen.  

[Convicted2008]

What's going on with Anon. Transactions aren't showing up in block explorer. At least mine isn't.

[darlidada]

If we really want the zerocoin project to succeed why not make an entirely new coin with :

1) emission figured out from the beginning to the end
2) a total supply that makes sense
3) a good name

I'm sure I've forgotten many things.

[matthewh3]

Should all the code be open source in Github if we are still 2-3 months away?

Is there anyone (hero member with a perfect reputation) that could maybe hold new donations in escrow as a reward for new developers to help Gnosis finish the project on a contingency basis (only getting paid upon completion)?

Gnosis, if someone were to help you, what would you need the most? Math experts? More programmers? Both? Can the remaining work easily be subdivided so multiple people can work on it at once?

I would say the math part has been easiest for me. It would really only take one other good C++ coder (especially one who's familiar with the Bitcoin/Anoncoin codebase) to speed this up a lot.

I could potentially offer to create new wallets to hold the funds.  I've before now held sole access to a large wallet for the publically traded - www.redstarmining.com - for almost three years now safely.

[shtako]

If we really want the zerocoin project to succeed why not make an entirely new coin with :

1) emission figured out from the beginning to the end
2) a total supply that makes sense
3) a good name

I'm sure I've forgotten many things.

A new coin? Are you serious?

This is one of the best distributed coins. The coins age combined with a fair launch and a high total trading volume the past 18 months, is an extremly sound fundament for future developments.

And anoncoin is not just about zerocoin. The i2p project is also significant and adds value to anoncoins foundation. Features can be cloned, fundamentals can not.

Anoncoins biggest problems seems to be that the main developer is extremly bad at communication. And awful planning.

[tljenson]

Why are we circling 3 BTC transactions...?  Anyhow code updates are real... You can see the commits on github.  RSA-UFO achievement is real and material.  I don't know what the right price is right now given the delay, but it is not beneath the all-time low when this coin did not have those achievements...  Maybe we settle around 100k-120k once people realize the above and then go up again when at least the dif / etc. fixes happen.  

Your right its the code, but I'm just trying to be encouraging.

[drAGon925]

If we really want the zerocoin project to succeed why not make an entirely new coin with :

1) emission figured out from the beginning to the end
2) a total supply that makes sense
3) a good name

I'm sure I've forgotten many things.

A new coin? Are you serious?

This is one of the best distributed coins. The coins age combined with a fair launch and a high total trading volume the past 18 months, is an extremly sound fundament for future developments.

And anoncoin is not just about zerocoin. The i2p project is also significant and adds value to anoncoins foundation. Features can be cloned, fundamentals can not.

Anoncoins biggest problems seems to be that the main developer is extremly bad at communication. And awful planning.

It is not just about ZC,  Pablo was right about that..
But whats is done in other direction?
Where is main developer?

It is not just bad communication here..

To all who plan to attack me. I haven't dump a single coin.
I'm just sick of that lying to us!

I suggest meeh to get rid of gnosis asap, and make some plan for future of ANC!

If he ever shows here...

[WDL]

Should all the code be open source in Github if we are still 2-3 months away?

Is there anyone (hero member with a perfect reputation) that could maybe hold new donations in escrow as a reward for new developers to help Gnosis finish the project on a contingency basis (only getting paid upon completion)?

Gnosis, if someone were to help you, what would you need the most? Math experts? More programmers? Both? Can the remaining work easily be subdivided so multiple people can work on it at once?

I would say the math part has been easiest for me. It would really only take one other good C++ coder (especially one who's familiar with the Bitcoin/Anoncoin codebase) to speed this up a lot.

I could potentially offer to create new wallets to hold the funds.  I've before now held sole access to a large wallet for the publically traded - www.redstarmining.com - for almost three years now safely.

Good,Let's save the project.
Apparently Gnosis has got through a lot of work for implement of ZC,it is really a pity to give up.

[alincoln]

If we really want the zerocoin project to succeed why not make an entirely new coin with :

1) emission figured out from the beginning to the end
2) a total supply that makes sense
3) a good name

I'm sure I've forgotten many things.

A new coin? Are you serious?

This is one of the best distributed coins. The coins age combined with a fair launch and a high total trading volume the past 18 months, is an extremly sound fundament for future developments.

And anoncoin is not just about zerocoin. The i2p project is also significant and adds value to anoncoins foundation. Features can be cloned, fundamentals can not.

Anoncoins biggest problems seems to be that the main developer is extremly bad at communication. And awful planning.

It is not just about ZC,  Pablo was right about that..
But whats is done in other direction?
Where is main developer?

It is not just bad communication here..

To all who plan to attack me. I haven't dump a single coin.
I'm just sick of that lying to us!

I suggest meeh to get rid of gnosis asap, and make some plan for future of ANC!

If he ever shows here...

You're being naive and you're emotionally attached to the coin, which indicates you're most likely going to lose all your investment. If Gnosis is bad at communication, Meeh is 10x worse. Hell, the guy started this project and has nothing to say despite ANC having failed a major milestone? Minimum they could do right now is to show some cohesion, and a clear plan, but instead they hide in the shadows. This project lacks not only a developer, it lacks a leader. Meeh is not such a person.