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January 15, 2018, 03:52:36 PM
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Anyone think the recent difficulty spike might be related to the Dragonmints?
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January 15, 2018, 04:04:18 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?





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January 15, 2018, 04:11:18 PM
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Interesting, nice find.
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January 15, 2018, 04:12:11 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page:https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?






At all I found a difference on the boards. Look exactly the 3pin connectors. I count -1 (or +1) - from the point of which you count first Wink
No UPDATE ... -2 (or+2)

Could be just a standard mass board you can buy. Like cable are same. Connectors are same. Yes, they are standard. Maybe the same supplier, but does not lead that Inno is doing business with them. Better ask them in person first.

But I aggree. Looks pretty the same. Nice Smiley

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January 15, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
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^ There are the same amount of locations for 4-pin fan connectors, they just don't have the same number of them populated.

So far I have more proof for my claim than you have against it.

I'm not making this politics, it's strictly a technical discussion.

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January 15, 2018, 04:15:36 PM
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^ There are the same amount of locations for 4-pin fan connectors, they just don't have the same number of them populated.

Yes. Same board, but difference build.
Buy a power cable for a computer. Will be the same all over in the world (but not the plug @wall) Wink

Like I said before: "But I aggree. Looks pretty the same. Nice  Smiley"

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January 15, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
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well the guys that jumped in for 1300-1500 on black friday will wait  til april 1  or  125-130 days.

still remains to be seen if it will be worth that wait for them.

but I think they will get gear.

quite a leap of faith for them.

Meanwhile  in the 40 days since  black friday I earned  quite a bit  on my gpus's and s-9's

and will earn more  from now til april 1.

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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January 15, 2018, 04:17:43 PM
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@QuestionQuest
Why are you defending them time after time?

The Innosilicon control board is not something like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone Black is. It is not a universal small computer board.

It is definitely the Innosilicon control board and Innosilicon is involved in this. How much, I can't say for sure.

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January 15, 2018, 04:19:10 PM
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Anyone think the recent difficulty spike might be related to the Dragonmints?

no.  avalons and s-9's  are more likely doing it

I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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January 15, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
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I also now realised why promojo said this to me earlier in this thread.

400x267 pixels picture. Really?

Yup because guys like you can't go zooming in.  You can clearly tell its not an S9.... Wait til the video/pictures come out.  Cheers.

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January 15, 2018, 04:24:53 PM
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@QuestionQuest
Why are you defending them time after time?

The Innosilicon control board is not something like a Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone Black is. It is not a universal small computer board.

It is definitely the Innosilicon control board and Innosilicon is involved in this. How much, I can't say for sure.

You have a link or source showing this part as an innosilicon part/prototype/patent number?
Maybe you are right and you know more, but a loft of manufacturers dont build the own boards.
I dont know if Inno is doing, therefor I did not saw it ever.
They maybe just buying the same boards, like the same case, like the same power connectors and a similar or same powersupply.

I believe you that you know more in this point, but please show me a proof like the patent number or building history etc. why you know this piece of green board is 100% from the manufacturing halls of Innosilicon or at least from the drafts of them.

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January 15, 2018, 04:27:13 PM
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Ah, okay just wait a second...


Oh, but I forgot they have a complete closed source policy. No can do.


I asked Innosilicon earlier if they are involved, but surprise surprise, they didn't answer me.

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January 15, 2018, 04:30:15 PM
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Ah, okay just wait a second...


Oh, but I forgot they have a complete closed source policy. No can do.


I asked Innosilicon earlier if they are involved, but surprise surprise, they didn't answer me.

This would be really an important piece of information, if you can proof that this green board IS 100% INNOSILICON.
Hmmm ... yeah ... if they would be not involved, they would say: NO (why not) Wink

Yes, I maybe believe it now more then not. They maybe are involved or at least delivering some parts  Grin

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January 15, 2018, 04:40:16 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?

And another design comparison here (pay attention to the controller with this image as well): https://i.imgur.com/a9sZcJa.jpg

I surely can't be the only one who sees these similiar design details?

One detail to also pay attention  is that the Innosilicon control board uses reversed PWM signal for the cooling fan control.
This method is not that commonly used.
Delta TFC1212DE are cooling fans that are controlled with a reversed PWM signal.
DragonMint and Innosilicon A4+, A5 miners use these cooling fans.
This detail also supports my theory.

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January 15, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
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Does anybody else think the company's stated goal of decentralization is inconsistent with a 5 piece minimum order? Or does it just seem that way to me as a nooby noob?
Well  I could make a very long list of mistakes the builder did.

I won't   do that.   As moq's of 5    not too bad  you need a partner.  I been doing this a long time.  Buying 1 unit  is not smart  as the gear breaks. So to  have 2 or 3 units allows for switching out  and blending the gear.

A 1300-1400 watt at the plug miner  is not for home use.  It is hot and loud you need a place for them.  Having a few will help a lot.

Having 1 piece not so much.

Based on its size  they could have done moq's of 4  and fit them in a bigger box. the one below for instance  would fit 4 units  in boxes like the s-9 are in.  I know this as I have sold  sets of 4  S-7s  packed in this box.


https://www.lowes.com/pd/Classic-Large-Heavy-Duty-Cardboard-Moving-Box-Actual-24-in-x-18-in/50098526

Well of course I'd love to have 5, but I'm planning to trickle all my btc earnings back into more machines, slowly, grow without going out on a limb. I just don't have that much extra to plow into it. I had the spare bedroom wired up w/4 220 outlets, and I have one bad investment limping along already. Hopefully another, healthier machine will arrive in March. I'll probably buy again in May and who knows what's going to happen between now and then, 3 months ago eth was 300! It's a guesstimate, always.
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January 15, 2018, 05:59:27 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?


OMG, just what we needed.
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January 15, 2018, 06:15:03 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?


OMG, just what we needed.

Don't forget that this is China. It would be rocket science to reverse engineer (copy.. cough.. cough) and change some of the design and walla, you own board.
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January 15, 2018, 06:24:33 PM
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This partnership with Myrig.com is the most positive thing that has happened so far,

but I'm affraid their retail price will be really really high, the same as with the S9 miners.

Some new images are uploaded in the Myrig.com shop.

I managed to find the high-res images, they were 'hidden'.

See this Imgur album for the picture found at DragonMint product page: https://imgur.com/a/WaHLd


We can finally have a slightly little better look at the miner.

For cooling there seems to be two pieces Delta TFC1212DE, front and back, in a push-pull configuration.

And I think I now know why the miner web configuration page was just like with the Innosilicon A5 and A4+.
The DragonMint miner has the exact same controller board.
See it for yourself, here is a picture for comparison: https://i.imgur.com/jxHeSP6.jpg


Also the steel case tube looks a lot like the one Innosilicon uses for the A5 and A4+.

Maybe the Halong Mining actually has a subcontract for these miners to be manufactured by Innosilicon?


OMG, just what we needed.

Don't forget that this is China. It would be rocket science to reverse engineer (copy.. cough.. cough) and change some of the design and walla, you own board.

You didn't notice the detail that I mentioned earlier in this thread. It also has the exact same miner web configuration user interface, so it has the same software as the Innosilicon A4+ and A5.

I think Innosilicon is involved in this project.

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January 15, 2018, 06:30:14 PM
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I think Innosilicon is involved in this project.

Totally serious question.

What advantage would Innosilicon get from "partnering" with another mining manufacturer?

If they are providing all the intellectual knowledge, design, implementation, etc. what do they get out of it?
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January 15, 2018, 09:01:29 PM
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Manufacturers often collaborate on projects. Intel and AMD have worked and continue to work together, automotive manufacturers, ect. Knowledge is truly power. Glad to see the MyRig partnership was announced!

Keep us in the loop as you can Scott Smiley

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