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February 06, 2018, 07:32:32 AM
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Hunting I mean, by trying to exchange or even sell/buy merit points. A Legendary member has no reason to do so, the rest I am afraid they will do.
This is a bit of an issue. You see Theymos said that the merit system won't be moderated. So to stop this 'hunting' we are the only people who can regulate it. Every time you see something like this, report it. Eventually, the guilty accounts should be warned and maybe even banned by the mods. I think Theymos thought against moderating this system because of the size of the forum. It would be near impossible to moderate this system. But I personally think that he should at least try.



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February 06, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Merited by d5000 (1)
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You don't understand.
People with rank "Full Member" and higher don't want to give merits for the people which rank is Member and lower. They are not interested in it. It's a competition! Higher rank means higher rewards and others advantages.  

This is not quite like that. I have already got 20 points for like 10 days, and I'm pretty sure there are many like me. I see Jr.Members with more Merit than me, and when you read the merited comments, it make sense.
You don't really need to spam around to generate useless posts or begging/"butlicking" the "big ones". There are many services where you check what people think of your"quality posts" and compare your type of thinking with the community. Not everyone know what quality post means.
Many people don't realize but this Merit system is actually improving a lot of things in your personalty >
-Your way of thinking and analyze things.
-Improving you language especially for NNESs
-Improving communication skills by contributing to the community.
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February 06, 2018, 08:45:31 AM
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please anyone can help me ?


Hello, can you be more spesific on what matters do you want people to help you?


He/she has been very specific in multiple posts and PMs begging for merits. Seems like a suicide mission (more suicide than mission really).

Oh i see, pardon me because i didnt read the page before. Maybe it is only an alts of someone and trying to make some chaos in here because he/she realize his/her lower rank account can not rank up anymore and trying to kill the account.

I am pretty sure soon enough people will start buying merit

Pretty sure it is already a thing now, but i guess admin and mod have a way to fight it. Merit point is tracked, so it will be easy to look over it.
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February 06, 2018, 08:52:01 AM
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You don't understand the problem.
People with rank "Full Member" and higher don't want to give merits to the people which rank is" Member" or lower. They are not interested in it. It's a competition! Higher rank means higher rewards and others advantages.  
No, you do not get it. It's not because you think this way that Merit sources think the same.

And Jesus 120 pages in two weeks... this system is not perfect but it is far better than the old system. Time to get over it guys.
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February 06, 2018, 09:17:00 AM
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So technically, i have to get 100 merits from others before i rank up to Full member? Am I correct?

Yes, you are correct. Read the OP of this thread and you will find what you have to do.

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February 06, 2018, 09:24:18 AM
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I do not quite understand how to earn merits?
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February 06, 2018, 09:33:26 AM
Merited by TheQuin (1)
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I do not quite understand how to earn merits?
Short answer: The only way to receive Merit is from other Users. Post something that another user thinks is worth of giving you some Merit points.

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February 06, 2018, 09:38:28 AM
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who can distribute merit?
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February 06, 2018, 09:41:34 AM
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who can distribute merit?
As explained in the first post: For each Merit you receive you also receive 0.5 sMerit (spendable Merit). Therefore, everyone that receives Merit can also spend it. Additionally there are some Merit sources, that receive sMerit to spend them. Just read the first post (and look at the linked infographics) in this thread and all (most) of your questions would be answered.

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February 06, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
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120 pages of discussions .... bottomline: almost no member of this forum will ever rank up again. Is that a problem? I don't know, but that is the effect of the new system. Only if you make a legendary post, you might get some merits along the way and rank up. I know that is why we have this system, but it is sure hard for 99% of the members to rank up.

I'd rather go for a system of ranking up way more slowly than before WITHOUT considering merit points at first. That way the spammers will still have no chance to rank up. And we need to cut out certain subforums to account for the activity.

If you do get merit points you will rank up faster. That's way people still want to make good posts and we still cut out the rankspammers. But the average joe posting now and then will rank up in the end. Even if it takes a year. But with the merit system average joe will never rank up.

But .... we have cut out the spammers ... thats a good thing. Now we have to adjust the system a little, just to give average non-spamming-joe a change to rank up.

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February 06, 2018, 09:49:00 AM
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120 pages of discussions .... bottomline: almost no member of this forum will ever rank up again.

This is completely wrong. Now only members that contribute to discussions and use the forum for what it is intended will rank up. I've seen many lower ranked members picking up merit points much faster than activity so they'll still rank up exactly as the old schedule. The people complaining that they won't rank up are generally the ones it is designed to stop.

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February 06, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
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who can distribute merit?

Any member here can give you merit points but is only limited to 1-3, on the other hand there are some special members here who can give large amount of merit points and they are called "Source".


Sources has been randomly chosen by Theymos to distribute merit points across forum members of their own choosing but their identity is unknown for know and will eventually be known if you investigate each account with with high merit points (i think these "Sources" are either DT1 or DT2).



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February 06, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
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I am pretty sure soon enough people will start buying merit

People are already trying to buy or trade merit. I'm not sure what your point is though.

You don't understand the problem.
People with rank "Full Member" and higher don't want to give merits to the people which rank is" Member" or lower. They are not interested in it. It's a competition! Higher rank means higher rewards and others advantages.  

Why not? Where's the logic in this? Higher ranked accounts don't even need the merit so it's largely useless other than a show of appreciation of their post, which is how merit should be used, but people who give a shit about the forum would rather see good quality lower-ranked posters be able to move up the ranks by making constructive posts so most will be more than happy to dish out merit freely providing people area actually contributing something worthwhile.

120 pages of discussions .... bottomline: almost no member of this forum will ever rank up again. Is that a problem? I don't know, but that is the effect of the new system. Only if you make a legendary post, you might get some merits along the way and rank up. I know that is why we have this system, but it is sure hard for 99% of the members to rank up.

I'd rather go for a system of ranking up way more slowly than before WITHOUT considering merit points at first. That way the spammers will still have no chance to rank up. And we need to cut out certain subforums to account for the activity.


Of course they will rank up, it will just take time as it already does to achieve ranks anyway. The ranking system was already slow as you could only achieve it over time, but people were just abusing it by just making crappy posts over time because that's all they needed to do. Now crappy posts will get you no where. I really find it hard to believe people are complaining that they're now going to have to make some effort but it just goes to show you the level of entitled laziness that has become the norm here.

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February 06, 2018, 10:53:48 AM
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Why not? Where's the logic in this? Higher ranked accounts don't even need the merit so it's largely useless other than a show of appreciation of their post, which is how merit should be used, but people who give a shit about the forum would rather see good quality lower-ranked posters be able to move up the ranks by making constructive posts so most will be more than happy to dish out merit freely providing people area actually contributing something worthwhile.

The point he's making is the following. When you are a Hero Member participating in a signature campaign you'll get more rewards when your fellow campaigners are of low ranking due to the staking system. That's an incentive to not distribute merit points to lower ranking members.
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February 06, 2018, 11:15:10 AM
Last edit: February 06, 2018, 11:46:24 AM by KatgCrypto
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120 pages of discussions .... bottomline: almost no member of this forum will ever rank up again. Is that a problem? I don't know, but that is the effect of the new system. Only if you make a legendary post, you might get some merits along the way and rank up. I know that is why we have this system, but it is sure hard for 99% of the members to rank up.

I'd rather go for a system of ranking up way more slowly than before WITHOUT considering merit points at first. That way the spammers will still have no chance to rank up. And we need to cut out certain subforums to account for the activity.

If you do get merit points you will rank up faster. That's way people still want to make good posts and we still cut out the rankspammers. But the average joe posting now and then will rank up in the end. Even if it takes a year. But with the merit system average joe will never rank up.

But .... we have cut out the spammers ... thats a good thing. Now we have to adjust the system a little, just to give average non-spamming-joe a change to rank up.

i agree with that. There are positive and negative effect of merits system. The worst case is that they can ask someone or a group of people to help each other to gain merit points and easily rank up even if it was a spam message. i know that admins are monitoring those vut there are millions of members in this forum and this type of possible activities is really hard to track.

I also agree with that, a system where ranking up is more slow is far way better. Another good idea is to cut activity points when posting to bounty threads so users have to get in involved to other threads for ranking up.
I reward you with 1+ virtual merit for your post cause I have none to grant you.
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February 06, 2018, 11:24:54 AM
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Somewhere in the post it read "if you were given 0.5 merit it won't be seen" so how would one know he or she has a merit?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4905709.msg44176665#msg44176665
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February 06, 2018, 11:26:52 AM
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Like it or not everything that is new have good and bad sides, like here is the case with merit. Seen many topic already that must say is abuse for me, where is offered buy/sell or you give me and i will give you (this reminds me on twitter or some other social media follow me i will follow you back.

Believe that it will take some time for this to be or adjust or at least that some one or team of people can maintain this situation. Hopefully this will be good at the end cuz idea is good and we all just need to follow this not to create topic with something like "merit me i will merit you back". This btw is funny.
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February 06, 2018, 11:40:32 AM
Last edit: February 06, 2018, 12:23:52 PM by xenon131
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If it is not too much work involved I would suggest to add feature that prevents from sending Merits from/to hacked accounts.

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February 06, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
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Why not? Where's the logic in this? Higher ranked accounts don't even need the merit so it's largely useless other than a show of appreciation of their post, which is how merit should be used, but people who give a shit about the forum would rather see good quality lower-ranked posters be able to move up the ranks by making constructive posts so most will be more than happy to dish out merit freely providing people area actually contributing something worthwhile.

The point he's making is the following. When you are a Hero Member participating in a signature campaign you'll get more rewards when your fellow campaigners are of low ranking due to the staking system. That's an incentive to not distribute merit points to lower ranking members.
Do you really think that Hero or Legendary members are such greedy that they wont give sMerits for high quality posts made by new users? Personally, when I send sMerits, I don't care much about rank, I'm looking at content of post. I don't see problem that new users with good posts will be able yo rank up and participate in signature campaigns. That's the main purpose of Merit system.
And how it affect earnings of high ranked member if new members won't be able to rank up? As you may see, mostly BTC paying signature campaigns are already full and there are much more users applying that they can accept.




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February 06, 2018, 11:51:49 AM
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Somewhere in the post it read "if you were given 0.5 merit it won't be seen" so how would one know he or she has a merit?
When anybody gives you any amount of merit (integer), you get half of this amount in s-merits (spendable merit, that you can send to another user). You cannot send or receive half of merit. 0,5 smerit isnt shown on your merit page, but it exist. When you receive another 0,5 of s-merit, you will have 1 s-merit that you can see at yor merit page.
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