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February 28, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
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One thing i may propose is to add a number of merit Sources for each local forum, obviously in relation with the number of members, for a simple reason: non english-native speakers have way less possibilities to upgrade their ranks. I thought of this considering the fact that the italian forum awards so little merit, the majority is concentrated in English part of the forum and in few other local ones.
This is something that i hope may be taken into account.
I can write a couple of words in english, but i'm not as experienced as some others, and non native speakers are at disadvantage.
However this is just a consideration from a normal user. Let me know what you think. I'll continue to follow this thread as it seems the most active and focused on the subject.
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February 28, 2018, 03:46:11 PM
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February 28, 2018, 03:53:46 PM
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Danny you saw this discussion upthread, right?  It would seem topical for you to clarify your point of view about that recent discussion, no?

Didn't seem worth it to bother writing it up...

Take a look at all the red feedback I've got from those that are angry I tagged them as untrustworthy.  If I wrote up a history on every one of them it would be a waste of time and I'd have less time available for interesting participation in the forum.

However, since you asked, I went ahead and put this together:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3038959.0



I don't believe that merit should be offered as a direct reward for anything. It should be something that is awarded during the normal course of forum activity in my opinion.

Good thing I checked before creating the thread  Wink

Was just trying to find a way to tie the Dr. Who discussion back into an on topic merit discussion  Grin

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February 28, 2018, 04:37:40 PM
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YEAH! Me too. Thanks, fella. Thats what im talking about.
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February 28, 2018, 08:22:33 PM
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I don't think there is a problem.

I believe that the "Recent merit sent" section (from /index.php?action=merit) only shows merits sent in the last month. Today is February 28 and my page only shows my merits sent until January 29 while I have some from January 28 that can be seen in the "Sent in the last 120 days" section (from /index.php?action=merit;u=557798).

So ~1 month for the "Recent merit sent" and 120 days for the "Sent in the last 120 days".

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February 28, 2018, 08:31:30 PM
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I had noticed those two different pages too, recently, and I wished that there was a better way to toggle through those kinds of settings.  One shows the merit sent/received in the past 30 and the other shows the merit sent/received in the past 120 days.  I don't know why it is set up that way, but like I mentioned, I wished there were tabs that would allow the ability to toggle between different time periods such as 30 days and 120 days and maybe some other select time period options.

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February 28, 2018, 09:23:04 PM
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Hey guys,

I just saw my activity jump up for no reason after making my last post today.

I read somewhere that you only get 14 points max of activity per 14 days. But I somehow got 28 points on my first 2 days of being a member. It was so weird, but at the same time... I was posting volumes in one post.

Then I started posting 4-liners because posting pages in one post got kind of energy-consuming. And that's when my activity got capped at 28 -- I noticed that even if I posted a really long, thoughtful post, my activity didn't go up. All because I posted small posts.

So I think the new theory is that you get activity points based on your posts rather than frequency of posts.

I think the system does a weighing of sorts. Like if you start off posting really long posts, the system won't cap your activity.

And then if you start posting shorter posts, the system cap comes into play because the system thinks you're just trying to farm points.

But it looks like when I started posting again after my 14 days were up, I got a jump in activity, at exactly +14 points.

I'm not sure if that happens to other people, but maybe that's the system weighing my voluminous posts within the 14 days that weren't credited as activity.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

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February 28, 2018, 09:27:05 PM
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Have you read the sticky about activity calculations?

I won't copy it here because it has been copied so many times in the past.

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February 28, 2018, 09:27:21 PM
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Aaaaaand I just noticed I have enough activity for Member rank! Now, let's see how many months it will take to reach that rank! Grin
In the meantime people have built a wall of +Merits on the OP who's an administrator! I spent all one sMerits of mine within 1 week to the 1st person who was kind enough to give me a complete answer on a question I asked!

I won't ask for Merit points, no no; I only want more sMerits so I can spread the love! Cool

EDIT: The Merits wall disappeared from the OP,  how.... am I seeing things? Shocked

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February 28, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
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Aaaaaand I just noticed I have enough activity for Member rank! Now, let's see how many months it will take to reach that rank! Grin
In the meantime people have built a wall of +Merits on the OP who's an administrator! I spent all one sMerits of mine within 1 week to the 1st person who was kind enough to give me a complete answer on a question I asked!

I won't ask for Merit points, no no; I only want more sMerits so I can spread the love! Cool

EDIT: The Merits wall disappeared from the OP,  how.... am I seeing things? Shocked

It's not hard to get merit points, man. If I got 4 within 14 days. You can get more...

All you have to do is write like 2 pages on a topic you know about when the opportuinity rises.

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February 28, 2018, 09:42:41 PM
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Have you read the sticky about activity calculations?

I won't copy it here because it has been copied so many times in the past.
hey kuffy I saw it.

it looks like I was able to get 28 points because I signed up on the day of the fortnight thingy schedule.... so it had nothing to do with my posts LOL.

So given that, does that mean if I make a new account on 3/12 and post a storm of a storm of a storm of a storm. Then by 3/14 I'll have 28 points? XD

That's like so loophole'ish

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February 28, 2018, 09:48:53 PM
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Hey guys,

I just saw my activity jump up for no reason after making my last post today.

I read somewhere that you only get 14 points max of activity per 14 days. But I somehow got 28 points on my first 2 days of being a member. It was so weird, but at the same time... I was posting volumes in one post.

Then I started posting 4-liners because posting pages in one post got kind of energy-consuming. And that's when my activity got capped at 28 -- I noticed that even if I posted a really long, thoughtful post, my activity didn't go up. All because I posted small posts.

So I think the new theory is that you get activity points based on your posts rather than frequency of posts.

I think the system does a weighing of sorts. Like if you start off posting really long posts, the system won't cap your activity.

And then if you start posting shorter posts, the system cap comes into play because the system thinks you're just trying to farm points.

But it looks like when I started posting again after my 14 days were up, I got a jump in activity, at exactly +14 points.

I'm not sure if that happens to other people, but maybe that's the system weighing my voluminous posts within the 14 days that weren't credited as activity.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.



Probably your first few days of forum membership overlapped two activity periods, so therefore, you were able to reach 28 activity points in a very short period of time. 

The start and end of activity periods have preset beginning and ending activity period dates, and those dates are not based on your actual registration date.

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February 28, 2018, 11:03:23 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

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February 28, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

"I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections."
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February 28, 2018, 11:37:12 PM
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I don't see post-merit stats yet, but it certainly feels like there's been a significant decline in new posts since merit has kicked in.  Perhaps this is just an off base feeling and the decline in price is likely partially responsible, but it would be interesting to see how merit has effected new posting behavior: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

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March 01, 2018, 12:34:59 AM
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I don't see post-merit stats yet, but it certainly feels like there's been a significant decline in new posts since merit has kicked in.  Perhaps this is just an off base feeling and the decline in price is likely partially responsible, but it would be interesting to see how merit has effected new posting behavior: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats
Yes, We see some significant decline in all stats.

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March 01, 2018, 03:40:43 AM
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YEAH! Me too. Thanks, fella. Thats what im talking about.

I looked through a couple pages of both of your recent posts.  I couldn't find anything worth leaving merit for.  Maybe instead of complaining about the system, you post something of value or try to help someone. 

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March 01, 2018, 03:44:56 AM
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YEAH! Me too. Thanks, fella. Thats what im talking about.

I looked through a couple pages of both of your recent posts.  I couldn't find anything worth leaving merit for.  Maybe instead of complaining about the system, you post something of value or try to help someone. 

Ok boss, thanks for the great advice. I will do the best i can.
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March 01, 2018, 04:03:39 AM
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I have no merit click Sad what will i do ?? there's no merit https://imgur.com/a/­JuEHn
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March 01, 2018, 04:24:42 AM
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I have no merit click Sad what will i do ?? there's no merit

You could cry, and write short shitty posts about not having merit?

You could also engage in a lot of bounty seeking activities, and maybe attend religious ceremonies to pray for merit?

If I were you, I would not attempt to create good and engaging posts or otherwise participate in substantive threads to help other members because that may end up earning merit.  Just keep doing what you have been doing and that way you don't have to be worried about receiving any merit to weigh you down.   Wink Cheesy

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