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February 16, 2018, 08:04:58 AM
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I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit?
If you would read the first post in this thread (yes, the infographics explain this) you would know, that you don't loose any Merit points by sending Merit to another user (Difference between Merit & sMerit)

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February 16, 2018, 08:11:51 AM
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If you would read the first post in this thread

There you have step 1 in earning merit. Always read the OP of a thread before posting in it.

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February 16, 2018, 08:13:33 AM
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If you would read the first post in this thread

There you have step 1 in earning merit. Always read the OP of a thread before posting in it.


I really do not understand the mentality of people just blindly posting in a thread that is over 100 pages long? just read the fucking OP for starters...

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February 16, 2018, 08:19:53 AM
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If you would read the first post in this thread

There you have step 1 in earning merit. Always read the OP of a thread before posting in it.


I really do not understand the mentality of people just blindly posting in a thread that is over 100 pages long? just read the fucking OP for starters...

It is because the millennial generation of kids are spoiled and lazy. They have been told by everyone that they are special and therefore should be treated as such. Maybe the merit system is just as much a tool for upbringing quality-oriented kids as it is a tool to get rid of spam.

My my.. who would have guessed.

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February 16, 2018, 08:32:47 AM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit?
If you would read the first post in this thread (yes, the infographics explain this) you would know, that you don't loose any Merit points by sending Merit to another user (Difference between Merit & sMerit)
Ah you're right, the infographics helped. I tried to open the first 2 infographics but they were listed in imgur, which is blocked from the office computer I'm using at the moment. But I logged in from the phone and checked them out, thanks for points it out.

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February 16, 2018, 08:39:35 AM
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

regards
Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line


3rd reason... who gives a ratt's ass if you are correct or not, and you are bragging about your supposed ability to predict

4th reason... comes off as merit begging...

5th reason ... there are decent ways to actually earn merit without begging... for instance, go out there and have fun with your posts,  post on subjects that you like, genuinely interact with other posters in the thread, and provide meaningful information and merits will likely follow without any need for outright begging

OK, easy big guy.

It was a joke, because all this topic is about begging.

I dont give a f**k about merit points, really. What is the point of that? And also it shows no life personas here, who cherish their interet ranks, instead of being trully helpful with the community.

Please, stop being such arrogant, if you don't have something nice to say, than don't.

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February 16, 2018, 09:04:53 AM
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tl;dr explanation as long as there is no infographic:

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.



Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)



If you want to be a merit source:

Collect TEN posts that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread.
Does that mean all merit sources are hand selected? Is there a list of currently active merit sources? Sorry, I was lazy, should have read in full first.

The forum ranking system is a bit complicated now... It'd be nice if someone made an infographic explaining activity and merit.
I'll try this.

That is good explanation. For now my level of understanding of merit reward is OK. Then I must wait or write good post to earn merit by the legendary, hero's and full members . Lol

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February 16, 2018, 09:07:59 AM
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

regards
Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line


3rd reason... who gives a ratt's ass if you are correct or not, and you are bragging about your supposed ability to predict

4th reason... comes off as merit begging...

5th reason ... there are decent ways to actually earn merit without begging... for instance, go out there and have fun with your posts,  post on subjects that you like, genuinely interact with other posters in the thread, and provide meaningful information and merits will likely follow without any need for outright begging

OK, easy big guy.

It was a joke, because all this topic is about begging.


Interesting that you want to talk out of both sides of your ass on this one?  O.k... sure you may have started out as a joke, but the combination of my response and RivAngE's response were attempts to genuinely respond to the substance of the matter, and giving your content a fair interpretation of what was thought to be intended, with your misunderstood supposed sense of humor.



I dont give a f**k about merit points, really.

Good for you; however, this forum and this thread are not just about you, so when you make a post on a public thread, then you are taking a chance that someone might respond and sometimes the responses might go in a direction that were outside of your expectations, and that is how the world works, especially when it comes to dealing with other people.


What is the point of that?

This sounds like a rhetorical question, yet if you really wanted to know you could read through the thread or merely the OP, and likely you should be able to figure out part of the point.   

And also it shows no life personas here, who cherish their interet ranks, instead of being trully helpful with the community.

It shows something about forum rank, and sometimes real life activities will come into play through time and interaction, perhaps?

Please, stop being such arrogant, if you don't have something nice to say, than don't.

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Did someone die and put you in charge of my word choices or my tone?  Hm? 

I did not get that memo, and generally, I tend to decide within my own complete discretion regarding my word choices and tone, and surely you cannot expect quasi-anonymous personas on the interwebs to treat you with kid gloves, amirite?   I have determined that so far I have used a more than reasonable amount of courtesy and politeness with you, even though such courtesy and politeness might not be warranted.

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February 16, 2018, 09:18:52 AM
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Ok, thank you for your wisdom, I apreciate that.

I tried to merit you, but forum rules does not allow me to do that, because my merit is to weak lol

And.. I don't want any special treatement, you turned that in the way, showing how adult and superior member you are. I just found that topic, and made a joke.
I'll leave that toy tool for you, and I go play somewhere else, ok jefe?

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February 16, 2018, 09:19:56 AM
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It is really hard to do some backreading sorry. I just want to ask if how does the system goes. Is it doing good or not?, well obviously there are some abuse no doubt but is there any given statistics for it? Like the total number of merits given. Who is currently leading in giving or receiving merits. I am most likely can understand it xD

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February 16, 2018, 09:25:50 AM
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It is really hard to do some backreading sorry. I just want to ask if how does the system goes. Is it doing good or not?, well obviously there are some abuse no doubt but is there any given statistics for it? Like the total number of merits given. Who is currently leading in giving or receiving merits. I am most likely can understand it xD

The system is going well. If you see the posts being made by new members, you will definitely see that their posts make more sense now. Initially, they were complaining much but I guess everyone is getting used to this new system.
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February 16, 2018, 09:26:22 AM
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It is really hard to do some backreading sorry.

It really isn't hard it just requires a little bit of effort.

I just want to ask if how does the system goes. Is it doing good or not?

There are 146 pages of opinion in this thread and about as many threads again in Meta. Unsurprisingly opinion is divided.

well obviously there are some abuse no doubt but is there any given statistics for it? Like the total number of merits given. Who is currently leading in giving or receiving merits. I am most likely can understand it xD

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

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February 16, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
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It is really hard to do some backreading sorry. I just want to ask if how does the system goes. Is it doing good or not?, well obviously there are some abuse no doubt but is there any given statistics for it? Like the total number of merits given. Who is currently leading in giving or receiving merits. I am most likely can understand it xD

The system in my opinion is going well as there are many merits are given. You can check the stats here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats

And you can check the statistic of top merit giver here, i break it up into some statistics
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2947171.msg30272338#msg30272338
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February 16, 2018, 09:30:05 AM
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Ok, thank you for your wisdom, I apreciate that.

I tried to merit you, but forum rules does not allow me to do that, because my merit is to weak lol

And.. I don't want any special treatement, you turned that in the way, showing how adult and superior member you are. I just found that topic, and made a joke.
I'll leave that toy tool for you, and I go play somewhere else, ok jefe?

regards

O.k.  fair enough.  By the way, I don't need any additional merits (especially if you don't have many to spend), and if you receive one more merit, then you will have an smerit.  you can hodl that smerit and strategically wait for a decent opportunity to spend it or you can spend it like a drunken sailor.  That is completely your choice.

Even if you choose the drunken sailor route, that would be o.k. if you are able to create decent quality posts and interactions that will cause other members to merit your posts.  Good luck, and if you choose to stick around the forum in spite of this merit system and the already existing rankings, I look forward to seeing how your posts might end up reflecting status and or experiences of other possibly great things that might be going on in your real life.

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February 16, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

regards
Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line


I have never sought rank here, ever. I had some fun with it when I achieved Hero Member, but it was just that: Fun. Then people started asking me how I got there.

Best answer I had was I spend too much time on this forum.

Then I was gone for a year, due to a great many personal issues. When I come back I'm Legendary Tongue

Honestly, if you're trying for it, I doubt you'll get it. Go out, learn, post, participate. Learn to be someone who is respected for their opinion, humour, or something that gets you noticed, but do it for the right reasons.

I came here to learn. And learn I have. I was, despite my age, an infant when I came to this forum. The main reason I got anywhere is that I pretty quickly learned the magic: Watch, and Ask.

When I totally had no clue, I'd search the forum and read. And read, and then read some more. Then when I thought I knew something, I'd open my mouth and prove I was wrong. But I caught the attention of some of the people here who did know, and were not averse to helping a new guy as long as I wasn't being a dick. Then I really started learning, and got to the point, organically, where I was the guy helping newbies.

No matter how good you are, or how good you get, at one point you were a rank newbie. In 2009, we all were. If you're just here for a quick buck, you won't be here long. If you're here to learn some really interesting things from a wide array of people in all walks of life throughout the world, the rank and merit will come and you won't notice, or care, because you'll be too busy interacting with a very eclectic and interesting group of people. And a large number of assholes. The signal to noise ratio can be very high here...

But that's true in life, isn't it


3rd reason... who gives a ratt's ass if you are correct or not, and you are bragging about your supposed ability to predict

4th reason... comes off as merit begging...

5th reason ... there are decent ways to actually earn merit without begging... for instance, go out there and have fun with your posts,  post on subjects that you like, genuinely interact with other posters in the thread, and provide meaningful information and merits will likely follow without any need for outright begging


Biomech Sir
Thanks for sharing with all of us the abstract of your long long experience here at bitcoin forum.  Many things are there to learn by the new people like me, your post has given a direction to me.  
Sir You came here to learn; but on the contrary I came here to earn only Grin this is true for me sir.  Promotion to next higher rank was taken for granted and I was very curiously waiting my up-ranking with the increase of number of activities which was automatic with the daily postings only.  But with the introduction of merit scoring system though I was sad that now I will not be promoted to next higher rank but God has filled much patience in me and only he enlightened me to search what the problem (named merit) really is?  Only then I searched for it I for the first time  posted in Meta section otherwise I was just posting in Bitcoin discuioin or Alt section of discussion in few cases.  Though the introduction of merit system has caused a big loss to new entrants but I got a golden chance to hear the learned people like you otherwise there was not a chance I would not have been so serious.  I believe God blessed me by blocking the promotional gate of earning money and opened another gate of knowledge and compassionate responses from learned seniors like you.
"Watch and ask"  the magic of your experience has motivated me.  I will try to gain more and more knowledge now and put the questions to knowledgeable people who are responsive and kind to new entrants.  
Sir though I will try all the best to post meaningful ; co operative; helpful; quality posts but still it may happen that the person who reads it has no sMerit because juniors have no such authority.  May be seniors who read it may not consider the post to be worth importance and ignore it or none of the seniors have a look at the post and so I do not get any merit.  Becoming (promoting) to the rank just a member is now difficult for me Grin. though not impossible.  I will at least become a member some day with the mercy of God almighty some kind person will be sending me merits.  But now instead of becoming member or senior member; but as per your guidance I will try to gain more and more knowledge and spread it to needy fellows; it will definitely give me internal satisfaction (social service) if not "money" following which I entered this forum Grin.
My lesson (true for others too); Be good have good.
Thanks sir
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February 16, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
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I've been reading this forum for a couple of years now but I usually prefer staying quietly in the background. However, now I decided to join to the active side since I have too many questions and ideas I want to discuss about. I just noticed this merit system and started to wonder if there are any quidelines or tips on how to succeed? Obviously the profile ranking has a very small effect on my life but would not hurt to have a higher rank some day in the future. So, any thoughts on why do you personally choose to give someone merit? Do you give it for some good tips, well presented opinion, creating a topic on an important matter or something else? I am just wondering what is the best possible way to contribute to this network.
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February 16, 2018, 11:49:18 AM
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I've been reading this foorum for a couple of years now but as usual, I usually prefer staying quietly in the background. However, now I decided to join to the active side since I have too many questions and ideas I want to discuss about. I just noticed this merit system and started to wonder if there are any quidelines or tips on how to succeed? Obviously the profile ranking has a very small effect on my life but would not hurt to have a higher rank some day in the future. So, any thoughts on why do you personally choose to give someone merit? Do you give it for some good tips, well presented opinion, creating a topic on an important matter or something else? I am just wondering what is the best possible way to contribute to this network.

I give it to people answering the questions I have regarding different matters. If I stumble over a post I find thoughtful or funny, I try to reward them too.
I know that a lot of people require A+ english to merit a post. I find this less important, as I acknowledge and treasure the various nationalities represented on the forum.

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February 16, 2018, 12:37:02 PM
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Ok, thank you for your wisdom, I apreciate that.

I tried to merit you, but forum rules does not allow me to do that, because my merit is to weak lol

And.. I don't want any special treatement, you turned that in the way, showing how adult and superior member you are. I just found that topic, and made a joke.
I'll leave that toy tool for you, and I go play somewhere else, ok jefe?

regards

O.k.  fair enough.  By the way, I don't need any additional merits (especially if you don't have many to spend), and if you receive one more merit, then you will have an smerit.  you can hodl that smerit and strategically wait for a decent opportunity to spend it or you can spend it like a drunken sailor.  That is completely your choice.

Even if you choose the drunken sailor route, that would be o.k. if you are able to create decent quality posts and interactions that will cause other members to merit your posts.  Good luck, and if you choose to stick around the forum in spite of this merit system and the already existing rankings, I look forward to seeing how your posts might end up reflecting status and or experiences of other possibly great things that might be going on in your real life.

Thank you for nice wishes, I wish to you the same.

best regards

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February 16, 2018, 12:57:20 PM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?

I agree with that! Since the new merit system is active, even active members have a hard time to rank up. I participate almost daily in discussions and try to share as constructive and useful opinion as possible but no one gives a damn to send me a merit and (to be honest) until now I just sent merit one time to a guy just to see how it works and if it costs me my own merit points.

This system has the advantage that scammers cannot rank up easily but the disadvantages are clear:

1. Active members without much friends will have a hard time to gather merit points. It seems to be almost impossible for them.
2. Members with a lot of friends will share their merit points with each other, no matter how good or bad their posts are. They rank up finally even when they only post trash while constructive lonesome wolfs stay at low ranks forever and finally give up.
3. People may lose motivation to be very active here because they know that the chances to ever rank up are very low. Many useful, constructive posts will stay unwritten.

This is just my personal opinion. Thank you!
I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit? Also, I don't think it's hard for a scammer to PM a member with many merit points and offer a trade... merit points for some BTC.

No, it doesn't costs you merit (I still have my 100 initial merit points. But it seems there is some kind of hidden merit points you can spend. I couldn't yet figure out how much points you can spend and how long it takes to re-load the points so that you can spend merit points again.
I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit? Also, I don't think it's hard for a scammer to PM a member with many merit points and offer a trade... merit points for some BTC.
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February 16, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
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No, it doesn't costs you merit (I still have my 100 initial merit points. But it seems there is some kind of hidden merit points you can spend. I couldn't yet figure out how much points you can spend and how long it takes to re-load the points so that you can spend merit points again.
I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit? Also, I don't think it's hard for a scammer to PM a member with many merit points and offer a trade... merit points for some BTC.

Or you could read the OP and stop wondering.

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