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January 31, 2018, 05:05:48 PM
Last edit: February 03, 2018, 07:55:55 PM by Alexander_Z
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All right, looks like it is a good time for a small experiment. Recently I have found that I can still access my old account, created some time ago and never used. I have a habit to read, not post. But now it may be amusing to watch the merit progress of this "new" account, so I have decided to revive it.
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January 31, 2018, 05:24:31 PM
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Do not beg for merit excessively.

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s/excessively/at all—ever/

The merit system is a promising idea.  But it will only work if we develop a strong cultural expectation that merit will only be awarded for meritorious posts.  Requests for merit must be declared extreme rudeness, a forum faux pas.  Such a thing is fit only for social opprobrium, derision, sneers, and shunning.

In most cultures, fishing for compliments is viewed as something between boorish and unthinkable.  Asking for merit is worse, because it may accrue monetary value due to signature campaigns.  It is like begging a professor for a top grade, instead of doing work worthy of earning a top grade.

By contrast, those who have something worthwhile to say will take pride in earning merit the normal way:  By making posts which others find valuable.  Whereas those who have nothing worthwhile to say, as such have nothing to add to the forum.

For my part:  Nobody who ever asks me for merit will ever get any from me—period.


P.S., all the whiners complaining about the merit system ipso facto thus demonstrate that they are incapable of writing meritorious posts, and therefore worthless to the forum.  Make good posts, and people will notice.  Or shut up.


Edit:  Added the paragraph about people taking pride in earning merit the normal way.

+1 sM because I love your command of the English language. I even learnt something.

PS: Due to all the excitement, I'm not sure if that's the first time I doled sM due to actually liking the post's content where most, if not all, of previous sM allocations were gifted for humor et al. purposes.

Aside: There are no asides.

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Calvo turpuis est nihil comato: Practicing my Latin while eating my Reuben in case I ever meetup with CBH again.

Testing my Latin: Cogito, ergo sum dignum merito.

Well that worked out swell. I receive +1 sM from a user on record in stating that none would be doled out to beggars which is exactly what I did, albeit in Latin [and tongue in cheek] with "Cogito, ergo sum dignum merito." Next stop: Klingon.  Grin Grin Grin

Thanks kindly, nullius.

CBH just gave you merit. Unfortunately, his merit is invisible so it won’t do a damn thing for you.

Leave it to CBH to introduce the cloaked sM, cleverly dubbed csM (unless you prefer isM; i = invisible ... wait, ISM isn't that bad). Now that we all of 21M csM-cum-isM-cum-ISM, please use them wisely including when gifting them to your other accounts which is allowed.

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January 31, 2018, 05:39:36 PM
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I did not think it fair to change who changed the ranking just in the week of implementation of this new system. The merit should be proportional to the number of user activity, for example I have activity to be a full member (126) but I was awarded 10 merits , and a user with 60 activity earned the same number of merits (10) as me. This is not fair, it needs to be reviewed
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January 31, 2018, 05:45:42 PM
Last edit: January 31, 2018, 05:56:44 PM by romanovst
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Today was supposed to be HIRO! But apparently not fate with this meirite!

With so many spelling mistakes, I think you will be stuck at current level forever.

Really glad this was implemented. So much spam these days. Asian users are creating several 100 users each. Big farms just to level up users here. That will stop now.
THANK YOU whoever made this happen

There is no need to point fingers towards a particular community without sufficient proofs. There are good and bad people everywhere. For instance, some of the users in a particular local board (not Asian) were found to be exchanging merits recently.

I did not think it fair to change who changed the ranking just in the week of implementation of this new system. The merit should be proportional to the number of user activity, for example I have activity to be a full member (126) but I was awarded 10 merits , and a user with 60 activity earned the same number of merits (10) as me. This is not fair, it needs to be reviewed

A lot of members demanded this but we have not seen any change. So it will be like this only and we have to move on.
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January 31, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
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And I was wondering why I was not leveling up. Hopefully this feature will up the quality of posts. It is sad to see so many Bounty/Shit-Poster at the board... Mostly automated.  Roll Eyes

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January 31, 2018, 08:24:10 PM
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I like the idea with merit. It would not be bad to clean the thread with the shit of ICO companies.

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January 31, 2018, 08:26:27 PM
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I like the idea with merit. It would not be bad to clean the thread with the shit of ICO companies.

Are you saying that ICOs should not be on these forums anymore?  You are barticipating in an ICO bounty right now  Roll Eyes
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January 31, 2018, 09:30:31 PM
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Wow, I wasn't on the forum last week, and this is a really big change. I like the idea, it will increase post quality, but in other aspect I think it may be very difficult for new member to become Legendary and other stuff.

Don't get me wrong, legendaries members made usefull post, but all this merits needed to gain that rank? Please, they're just older member, that's all. The gap was already big, and now it's bigger than ever. I'm pretty sure we'll find member which will sell their merits in the future.

@cryptocommoner ---> It sounds hyprocrite haha, but yeah, I think it will decrease bot and fakes members who're only here to participate signature campaign.


PS: Sorry for my english, it's not my primary language but I tried to give my opinion here.
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January 31, 2018, 09:56:34 PM
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One question please....
Do you need ten sMerit to rank up from Jr. Member to Member or you need that ten sMerit from Member to next rank?

Thank you.... Just gat confused...
You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

you don't need sMerit to rank up. you need Merit!
you need to receive 10 Merit to rank up, at the same time you will gain 5 sMerit you can send out
for every 1 merit received you also get 0.5 sMerit that you can spend

100+ pages of discussion  Shocked

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January 31, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
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One question please....
Do you need ten sMerit to rank up from Jr. Member to Member or you need that ten sMerit from Member to next rank?

Thank you.... Just gat confused...

You need 10 merits (not sMerits) to become Member.

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January 31, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
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One question please....
Do you need ten sMerit to rank up from Jr. Member to Member or you need that ten sMerit from Member to next rank?

Thank you.... Just gat confused...

It's Merit not sMerit (sM). If you like this reply, please send me ... Oops! sorry, bud. You don't have any.  Tongue

Here's +1 sM for your thought-provocative post.  Kiss

Now, I'm confused as to how your username - Jr. - was still available.

Speakin' of confusion ...

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and this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J1NHzQ1sgc

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January 31, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
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Two questions:

1) I passed on two merits, I think that is all the sMerits I have, How can I tell?
               - One to a company that took my complaint/suggestions and ran with it
               - One to a long dead account where a user spent $180 million (future value) in bitcoin to buy a pizza

2) The threads I haunt seem to not have heard about Merit, so, any problems with my signature?

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January 31, 2018, 11:13:38 PM
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Though I am appreciating a lot of the etymological discussion that has gone on before this comment, it is missing something...oh yes, the "Hot for Words" person from YouTube.  I'm going to pretend one of you are her in what I hope, is a disturbing image for that person to be thought of as.

There seems to be a lot of prejudicial thinking against those who lack an absolute or near absolute mastery of the English language.  I hope that impression is not accurate, but seeing the last few pages really harping on "let's get rid of those non-English speaking newbs trying to make a buck, we don't care if they have to start somewhere" indicates to me that it is.

Oh no, a run-on sentence, I am doomed to be judged harshly.

The day I let some pretentious moral moron shame me over my own language mastery is a day which shall never happen.  Moreover, it is an ill omen when anybody accepts your transvalued inversion, whereby illiteracy is a mark of virtue and high standards a brand of vice.

And no, persons who lack adequate English skills do not belong in an English-language forum.  Full stop.  Their economic status is irrelevant; and your mention of that only makes it worse:  People with mediocre but passable English who have something worthwhile to say have never been rejected anywhere in such situations; but those who have nothing contribute are spammers and scum, whether they be dirty dirt-poor or otherwise.  Nobody has a right to “start somewhere” and make money by befouling the communications of other people.

To be excruciatingly clear:  Your dear “non-English speaking newbs trying to make a buck” are unwelcome, and I wish to make them feel that as intensely as I can.

That attitude, though I am loving seeing you stretch your usage of English so well, kudos, is precisely what is wrong.  I sincerely hope that you are not a merit source.  To be bigoted against someone because of a language barrier that they are endeavoring to overcome and broaden their horizons is possibly the most non-meritocratically aligned agenda.  Personally, I am a huge proponent of meritocracy, but the very idea of "merit" is subjective and now, destined to be defined by a very limited number of people who are sources in this forum.  This concentration of sMerit power is creating more of an oligarchy than the Default Trust system.

A drip type of system, where every active user generates sMerit over time would be preferable to concentrating sMerit in such a small group.

Of course, we're having a conversation, and in a purely Platonic system, merely the fact that a conversation is taking place is "meritorious" and sMerit sources should, according to the systems design, seek out our posts in this conversation and award them merit equally.  Not because the sMerit source agrees or disagrees with one position or another, but because we add "merit" to the forum by discussing the system.  

(As a funny aside and a jab at myself, I accidentally put Plutonic in place of Platonic, wouldn't Freud have fun with that slip, corrected now though.)

To address a couple of your points, because I find them, confusing.  I certainly did not attempt to shame your mastery of English, on the contrary, I applaud it.  I really thought I was clear on that.  Illiteracy is certainly not a measure of "virtue", and I think I hammered that point home with mention of  Plato in response to your use of the word virtue.  I do not doubt that Platos defining of virtue and my mention of your use of the word is understood.  If you take that as insult, and I can't really see why you would, unless your values are inverted as you state mine seem to be.

I am beginning to get the feeling that if I diagrammed out the double negatives in your response, I'd be more certain I was being "trolled", but as long as my point is not deliberately convoluted and my stance clear that I think the sMerit concentration is ill-advised, then I can handle a little trolling.

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January 31, 2018, 11:16:15 PM
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One question please....
Do you need ten sMerit to rank up from Jr. Member to Member or you need that ten sMerit from Member to next rank?

Thank you.... Just gat confused...

It's Merit not sMerit (sM). If you like this reply, please send me ... Oops! sorry, bud. You don't have any.  Tongue

Here's +1 sM for your thought-provocative post.  Kiss

Now, I'm confused as to how your username - Jr. - was still available.

Speakin' of confusion ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXp34c_o48

and this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J1NHzQ1sgc


Thank you for funny video it made my day.... And thank you for the merit, and thank you for the information about sMerit and Merit.

Anyway this rule helps, since I don't have to read anymore 'newbie' thing in the beginner's and help, I read around ten pages and most of the newbies are stating their newbie, how crazy is that? Our rank is already placed just below our names..... I think only blind person is unaware of that???

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January 31, 2018, 11:29:22 PM
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Two questions:

1) I passed on two merits, I think that is all the sMerits I have, How can I tell?
               - One to a company that took my complaint/suggestions and ran with it
               - One to a long dead account where a user spent $180 million (future value) in bitcoin to buy a pizza

2) The threads I haunt seem to not have heard about Merit, so, any problems with my signature?

1) you can find how many sMerit (sM) you have by checking here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit
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You have received a total of X merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have sM sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

2) since you are not begging for Merit points then it is fine tho.
+1 to encourage you
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January 31, 2018, 11:38:48 PM
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I do not speak English well, but reading this thread I understand that the theymos did it right and whoever does not say it is the owner of the resource and dictates the rules if someone does not like the rules of the site, nobody keeps it there. those who remain on the site accept new rules and try to match them, but maybe newcomers (or those who are forced to develop their own account on a new basis) will not be able to rank higher, and what prevents you from striving for this, make quality records.
I honestly do not care about the merit system, I do not participate in ICO, I read the branches about the software for mining, because I myself have a bullet on the pool, and I keep my hand on the pulse. you can always learn something new, and then after some time later tell the newcomer about it.
when I came here as a novice, I knew nothing but nicehash, and now I work in the powershell and ruler as I need, I myself do executable files, and let me not be young already, but while I'm interested in this topic, I will study reading and mastering new items. Thanks to everyone who gives the right information
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January 31, 2018, 11:56:52 PM
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I want to ask some questions about Merit

1. until when the merit system is done in this forum ?

2. is there any other way in determining up rank besides merit ??
  if not it will most likely be very difficult for them to go up the rankings if need some merit in need even though their account is more than 1 year and they are active in this forum is there any solution?

3. is there any guarantee in terms of giving merit to another account without any of its cooperation or buying and selling of merit such as symbiotic mutualism?

4. I see some accounts give merit to other accounts without any contribution in terms of useful post (is not it a violation of how to punish it)

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February 01, 2018, 12:03:52 AM
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maybe if we watch movie "Somethig about MerIT", we will get more merit? Or maybe Santa will tell us xo xo xo MerIT Chtistmas and gave us some merit- presents?

 Grin Cheesy Im just kidding a little, everyone is crazy about merits, including me  Grin Wink

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February 01, 2018, 12:11:19 AM
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Please reapply the merit engagement for the users who are ranked as member with 126 activity. This seems pretty unfair giving the same merits with those who have low activity as member. Please reconsider it.

This kills motivation to produce quality content also. Even if you write very qualified posts, there is no chance to gather +90merits, you need "friends" for this. Hope you find a solution.
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February 01, 2018, 12:22:45 AM
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I want to ask some questions about Merit

1. until when the merit system is done in this forum ?

2. is there any other way in determining up rank besides merit ??
  if not it will most likely be very difficult for them to go up the rankings if need some merit in need even though their account is more than 1 year and they are active in this forum is there any solution?

3. is there any guarantee in terms of giving merit to another account without any of its cooperation or buying and selling of merit such as symbiotic mutualism?

4. I see some accounts give merit to other accounts without any contribution in terms of useful post (is not it a violation of how to punish it)

I dont think there will be any concerns of symbiotic merit giving by 2 members due to the decreasing amount of Smerit between them. Every time they merit each other they would lose .5 from their pool. If they were not already reasonably high ranked they would not have a lot of merit in the first place. The system encourages wider community activity due to the decaying nature of SMerit.

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