Merit & new rank requirements

[TMAN]

For what I can read here, the only members happy about the new rules are Legendaries.

For what I can read here, the only members unhappy about the new rules are account-farming spammers.


See how that works?

ha ha I would give you merit but saving it for those who need it right now bud..

[aleksej996]

This system will promote conservative opinion on this forum and create a kind of a social bubble.

We can see that there were boards created recently that only allow for people with certain rank to participate and now it seems like the ranking system is being centralized by hand picking the sources.

Merit system is a good idea, but the sources seem like a problem here. You need to implement a system to create sources automatically, randomly if nothing else. Otherwise you can easily get into trouble by like-minded individuals being promoted and ones that have new, maybe radical, ideas never getting higher ranks.

We either need to create merit as something that has no effect on anything practical on this forum (similar to the trust system) or generate quite random sources. I am afraid that this forum will become very conservative as the time goes on if we keep adding these centralized features.

[hashcoinusa]

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[freedoge.co]

Let's give all merit for this post, the OP is gonna be huge 

[Grayy]

It's quite a visionary landmark to institute measures to check post quality,spamming and consequently churn the best out of all members in this forum. I hope that the pros of this new Merits system continually outweigh the cons. Let's hope creativity isn't stifled in attempt to forming "quality" posts.  I hope this doesn't intimidate genuine newbies in asking relevant questions. May this system last!

[Juranimo]

Guys, any chance that current period will be counted as previously (without merits yet)?
2 activity till Senior member  

[StelioKontos]

It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.

Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.

Are you even serious? Why all good valid points against this system get funny replies like this?

[Lutpin]

It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.

Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.

Are you even serious? Why all good valid points against this system get funny replies like this?

I am. If you want to recommend quality posts that deserve merit, collect them, write me a PM and I will review them. Should I agree with your recommendations, I have enough sMerit to reward those posts.
(This is only valid for you, StelioKontos, I will ignore recommendation lists sent to me from any other account.)

[bobq]

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

That's a wise decision. To make it even wiser something similar should be applied also for some or all of the lower ranks who are close to the next rank. Perhaps those who already have 75% of the necessary activity for the next rank or perhaps 90% or 99% or whatever. My view is that 75% would be optimal. The point is to implement more fairness in the process of switching to the new rules. Such a decision would cut down a lot of polemics and frustration across the forum. Especially Full Members who had to turn Senior or Seniors who had to turn Heros in days with the actual rules have been too much penalized, suddenly missing 150 or 250 merits for the next rank which they were about to achieve. To receive so many merits could now take them years, as they are so scarce.

[StelioKontos]

It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.

Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.

Are you even serious? Why all good valid points against this system get funny replies like this?

I am. If you want to recommend quality posts that deserve merit, collect them, write me a PM and I will review them. Should I agree with your recommendations, I have enough sMerit to reward those posts.
(This is only valid for you, StelioKontos, I will ignore recommendation lists sent to me from any other account.)

I'm not interesed in that kind of activity, thank you, but if you're willing to pay you can easily find someone to do the work.

And you're missing the point of my original post that you quoted. The fact that there are quality posts not merited is already a flow to the system. The fact that they need to be constantly spotted and recommended, is a flaw. What if they won't get ever recommended? That person will try hard every day and maybe 90% of his efforts will go to waste. There are some very bad people like me, very evil people out there, who maybe prefers not to make rank up possibile competitors in future bounties or because they prefer to give precious merit points to his friends rather than to some excellent post of some unknow guy?

[freedoge.co]

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

That's a wise decision. To make it even wiser something similar should be applied also for some or all of the lower ranks who are close to the next rank. Perhaps those who already have 75% of the necessary activity for the next rank or perhaps 90% or 99% or whatever. My view is that 75% would be optimal. The point is to implement more fairness in the process of switching to the new rules. Such a decision would cut down a lot of polemics and frustration across the forum. Especially Full Members who had to turn Senior or Seniors who had to turn Heros in days with the actual rules have been too much penalized, suddenly missing 150 or 250 merits for the next rank which they were about to achieve. To receive so many merits could now take them years, as they are so scarce.

can I get some extra Merits too? 770 activity - edit: few minutes after writing this I got updated to 784 activity lol

edit: What about getting some more proportional merit to the activity? People are going to spam to get the merit. By spam I mean un-organic posts.

[Zackgeno96]

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

That's a wise decision. To make it even wiser something similar should be applied also for some or all of the lower ranks who are close to the next rank. Perhaps those who already have 75% of the necessary activity for the next rank or perhaps 90% or 99% or whatever. My view is that 75% would be optimal. The point is to implement more fairness in the process of switching to the new rules. Such a decision would cut down a lot of polemics and frustration across the forum. Especially Full Members who had to turn Senior or Seniors who had to turn Heros in days with the actual rules have been too much penalized, suddenly missing 150 or 250 merits for the next rank which they were about to achieve. To receive so many merits could now take them years, as they are so scarce.

can I get some extra Merits too? 770 activity

You can not ask for sMerit, you have to earn it by making quality post. Don't repeat this or else you might get negative trust for begging.

[freedoge.co]

I don't beg, I don't care much about it but it should be more fair to prevent spam.

[Lutpin]

I'm not interesed in that kind of activity, thank you, but if you're willing to pay you can easily find someone to do the work.

You were (maybe just indirectly) complaining about the new system, I've addressed those complaints. Obviously, I'm not going to pay you, or anyone, for suggesting posts to receive merit. Get real.

And you're missing the point of my original post that you quoted. The fact that there are quality posts not merited is already a flow to the system.

Flaw, not flow. And after two/three days, that is to be expected.

The fact that they need to be constantly spotted and recommended, is a flaw. What if they won't get ever recommended?

Or does it further increase interaction by people sharing good posts, recommending them, and thus adds more value, instead of taking anything away?

There are some very bad people like me, very evil people out there, who maybe prefers not to make rank up possibile competitors in future bounties or because they prefer to give precious merit points to his friends rather than to some excellent post of some unknow guy?

Then you dont merit them and someone else does. You can't merit everyone, you arent expected to.

[redsn0w]

theymos

I don't know if someone already asked this, but is there any possibility to remove a certain merit point or not?

[codemanX]

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

That's a wise decision. To make it even wiser something similar should be applied also for some or all of the lower ranks who are close to the next rank. Perhaps those who already have 75% of the necessary activity for the next rank or perhaps 90% or 99% or whatever. My view is that 75% would be optimal. The point is to implement more fairness in the process of switching to the new rules. Such a decision would cut down a lot of polemics and frustration across the forum. Especially Full Members who had to turn Senior or Seniors who had to turn Heros in days with the actual rules have been too much penalized, suddenly missing 150 or 250 merits for the next rank which they were about to achieve. To receive so many merits could now take them years, as they are so scarce.

Agreed, that would be awesome and much fairer for lower ranks too!

Further, shouldn‘t it be rewarded with Merit from the Mods when we report something like that?:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2096780.msg29023610#msg29023610

[Jeremycoin]

theymos

I don't know if someone already asked this, but is there any possibility to remove a certain merit point or not?

Yup, there is.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

[redsn0w]

theymos

I don't know if someone already asked this, but is there any possibility to remove a certain merit point or not?

Yup, there is.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I mean, if I give you a merit point and tomorrow I want to remove it (for a certain reason) I can't do it because the actual system doesn't allow you.

[Lutpin]

I mean, if I give you a merit point and tomorrow I want to remove it (for a certain reason) I can't do it because the actual system doesn't allow you.

I suspect this is by design, it gives merits a bit more impact than a simple "like" (to which they are often compared).
Also likely (at least part of) the reason why you have to visit a new page, and once again confirm a merit rating you send, so you cannot do this by accident.

Further, it could become quite the mess with sMerit being awarded to the person you rate, and how these are reversed.
Say you have 10 sMerit and reward 10 Merit to someone who previously had none (thus spend all yours), then that person gets 5 sMerit, which also is their total.
Now they go and reward those 5 to someone else (taking their sMerit to 0 too).
Now you want to reverse your merit rating, would this give you your initial 10 sMerit back? Would this also mean the 5 sMerit spent on another person get reversed as their initiator was reversed?
It could get very complicated very quickly with something like that.

[Jeremycoin]

I mean, if I give you a merit point and tomorrow I want to remove it (for a certain reason) I can't do it because the actual system doesn't allow you.

Well, I don't know. Wouldn't that be a bit complicated? What if I have spent the sMerit right before you tried to remove that Merit that you've just given to me? Would the Merit that I've spent also get revoked by the system?