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January 26, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
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Don't blame me, I'm just stating a fact... I can't tell if it's fair or not because I don't care much about the ranks. One could argue that the old system was unfair because it rewarded shitposting.

Equating merit to value/money is wrong though. The primary purpose is to put quality over quantity. Rank is just a bonus for being a good poster.

I'm not blaming you personally, sorry if it came across that way. In fact, I'm not blaming anyone here, I'm just asking because it doesn't make sense for me.
What's bothering me though is that you say that merit doesn't equal value or money, it does. Denying it doesn't change the fact that your BCT rank has a value that you can sell. The higher the rank, the more it is worth. So ranking up is valuable and merit is needed in order to rank up. Therefore merit = value.

So, rank isn't just a bonus for good posting, higher rank means real money. Maybe you don't like it but it's a fact. A way to reduce shitposting would've been to disable signatures and avatars (not that I'd prefer that). As long as rank has value, people will try to rank up.

Just because you attribute no value to it doesn't mean that it isn't done by others  Smiley
What really bothers me is that those kinds of systems almost always punish those people who don't try to exploit them in the first place. Those who did will find new ways to cheat and that way the gap gets even bigger.

You're right, I don't value the ranks. I also think that this monetary valuation is the source of many problems in this forum, spamming/shitposting being one of those problems. Spammers try to rank up at the expense of others just to make a few pennies in sig campaigns etc. I hope the merit system will reduce spamming incentivized by this irresponsible pursuit of income.

I disagree that this new system widens the gap between cheaters and honest users. It appears to make it harder for shitposters to rank up. So in the long run quality posters should benefit by having fewer competing cheaters.

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January 26, 2018, 11:18:55 PM
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this rule seems to strangle us who are still full member down, it only benefits the legendary members, please for the dt admin, give us waivers so we can also develop like you guys
It shouldn't be a problem to get enough merit to rank up if you make good posts, however, your last 3 pages aren't very promising. Quite a few posts in bounty threads and a lot of posts like this:

I have a future plan with a deep union coin, I'm sure the price will jump up more than now, therefore I buy it for long-term investment, because I see dev so active, it makes me sure about this project
I'm sure this is something different from most crypto projects, it's really very promising for future benefits, hopefully the development of this project is good for the future. good luck and success for this project
another very promising project dev, I'm interested in investing in your project, maybe I will invest a little initially, but if your project is good and well developed, I will invest more

It is a problem indeed.

In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.

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January 26, 2018, 11:25:12 PM
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i'm walking around btt, reading, watching and can say that this merit system changed this forum forever, and not at the good side. today it is absolutely another place, not that was yesterday. Today it is a forum of one little group Hero's/Legendary's and their 'sixes'. Very bad... If i would be Satoshi i will never more enter this place. it is really disgusting to watch that what was happened in last days...  And i don't care if you some hero fanatic will give me "red trust" for this post. Coz i'm writing now from thousands of people, who are scared by this little group of 'nobodies' which means themselves like "gods...

We are all PEOPLE, do not forget THIS
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January 26, 2018, 11:28:16 PM
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i'm walking around btt, reading, watching and can say that this merit system changed this forum forever, and not at the good side. today it is absolutely another place, not that was yesterday. Today it is a forum of one little group Hero's/Legendary's and their 'sixes'. Very bad... If i would be Satoshi i will never more enter this place. it is really disgusting to watch that what was happened in last days...  And i don't care if you some hero fanatic will give me "red trust" for this post. Coz i'm writing now from thousands of people, who are scared by this little group of 'nobodies' which means themselves like "gods...

We are all PEOPLE, do not forget THIS

You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

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January 26, 2018, 11:34:06 PM
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I just translated the thread in the Spanish local section, you can find it here.
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January 26, 2018, 11:35:04 PM
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It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.
Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.


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January 26, 2018, 11:41:04 PM
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i'm walking around btt, reading, watching and can say that this merit system changed this forum forever, and not at the good side. today it is absolutely another place, not that was yesterday. Today it is a forum of one little group Hero's/Legendary's and their 'sixes'. Very bad... If i would be Satoshi i will never more enter this place. it is really disgusting to watch that what was happened in last days...  And i don't care if you some hero fanatic will give me "red trust" for this post. Coz i'm writing now from thousands of people, who are scared by this little group of 'nobodies' which means themselves like "gods...

We are all PEOPLE, do not forget THIS


Thanks for standing up in the name of so many scared people NakiRR. I have much appreciation for people who dare to confront unjustice. It may seem that you are alone in your view and experience, but I garantue you that you are not. I sometimes have compared the situation here with Orwell's Animal Farm. Have you read / seen that story? Where the pigs get in charge and harass all the other animals? Stating that all animals are equal but that some animals are more equal? The situation here is similar.

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January 26, 2018, 11:42:26 PM
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I disagree that this new system widens the gap between cheaters and honest users. It appears to make it harder for shitposters to rank up. So in the long run quality posters should benefit by having fewer competing cheaters.

Ok, simple question: Can you guarantee that people who (subjectively) deserve merit will get it and can you hinder people from buying/trading merits?
That's what I meant by people who don't exploit vs. cheater. I'd think that there are more people who don't try to exploit than people who cheat but any way you look at it, you punish those who make a few valuable posts every time nobody recognizes them. Those who buy just buy >> gap gets wider.


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January 26, 2018, 11:42:45 PM
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I just translated the thread in the Spanish local section, you can find it here.
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Well done! That should earn you merits.  Wink
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January 26, 2018, 11:45:39 PM
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i'm walking around btt, reading, watching and can say that this merit system changed this forum forever, and not at the good side. today it is absolutely another place, not that was yesterday. Today it is a forum of one little group Hero's/Legendary's and their 'sixes'. Very bad... If i would be Satoshi i will never more enter this place. it is really disgusting to watch that what was happened in last days...  And i don't care if you some hero fanatic will give me "red trust" for this post. Coz i'm writing now from thousands of people, who are scared by this little group of 'nobodies' which means themselves like "gods...

We are all PEOPLE, do not forget THIS

Not totally agree with your ideas. The forum have been spammed recently with tons of shitposts by farming accounts. Therefore, it should be cleaned somehow, and Theymos did it. Personally, I don't think the current solution with recent released merit system is a perfect one, but it is truly a good one. This one will inspire users to post high-qualited threads. However, I also think that there should be two sides, which users can depend upons them in order to ranked up their levels.
(1) Increasing their merit points by their own activities, such as one or two merit point for each week will be automatically allocated to each account by the forum.
(2) Getting gifted merit points from others for their good-qualitied posts. That's is the current aproach of merit system.

Please give me merit if the thread is meaningful and contributive one. ^^
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January 26, 2018, 11:46:15 PM
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It is a problem indeed.
In the same way (1) you found those three useless posts from that guy which rightly didn't receive any merits, (2) you can find, if you're willing, three or more excellent posts made by some other guy which didn't receive any merits either even if he deserved.
Find them, point me to them, I'll merit them (or you can merit them yourself, you know?).
There already are several threads by people that are looking to be pointed towards good posts so they can give merit as rewards.

Lutpin is talking about people like me, go to my thread and submit them; there are multiple people watching my thread and meriting posts within it. Good posts will not go unnoticed with very minimal effort.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2819141.0

There you can submit your posts, another's posts if you feel they are undervalued and we will merit them accordingly; I will even go back through and provide extra merit to posts I feel I have enough merit to give them their due.
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January 26, 2018, 11:46:41 PM
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You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably. At present however Bitcointalk has a monopoly position. And the crypto scene shouldn't belong to only a few, but to all of us.
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January 26, 2018, 11:50:33 PM
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Does this mean I won't get legendary until I get 1000 merit?
I was going over 1030 activity next week (still hero at 1022 before the merit system).

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January 26, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
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You are free to leave and create an own forum to prove you can do better.

Basically nothing has changed, there are no posting restrictions at all, so stop complaining!

If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably. At present however Bitcointalk has a monopoly position. And the crypto scene shouldn't belong to only a few, but to all of us.
If this is your opinion, why don't you create your own alternative, where most of you can go to?

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January 26, 2018, 11:58:32 PM
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Does this mean I won't get legendary until I get 1000 merit?
I was going over 1030 activity next week (still hero at 1022 before the merit system).

I've said before it's harsh for Hero members with over 775 activity to get only 500 merits, and your case is the worst I think!

Yes, you'll need 500 more merit points to be Legendary. I'll go through your posts and grant some merits if deserved.

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If there were an alternative most of us would be gone already probably.
There are multiple alternatives to Bitcointalk. Here are a few examples:
bitco.in/forum,
forum.bitcoin.com,

r/Bitcoin,
r/btc,
And the very many other Bitcoin/Crypto related subreddits.

Hell, there's even the many Git repos of Bitcoin related projects or the dev mailing lists or Slack/IRC channels if you want to be technical.

You even mentioned wanting to fork Bitcointalk a few days ago, well here's the software. Or maybe you'd prefer this one.

The truth is that the majority of people are on this forum because you can't earn money from any of those alternatives. I absolutely welcome the idea of those people, those only here for money, fucking off and moving to another forum to spread their shit. I sincerely hope that the merit system is a step towards this.

I think that people who say this say it because it's convenient. You have a million and one other options for conversation, if that's what you really want - but it's so much easier to complain about moderation, or the systems in place on one than actually try to be a part of the other. Right?
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January 27, 2018, 12:03:26 AM
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I like this new system, as I prefer quality over quantity.
It just seems like there are no merits in my local thread yet  Undecided I guess there aren't a lot of high ranking members there that are regular
There they would be extra useful as those posts generally don't count for signature campaigns even if they are high quality. This way there would be some reward for posting high quality posts in local threads.

I am not sure if I would be eligible to be a "source" of merit points that I can bring to my local thread as I have only been here for few months and I don't want to be greedy.
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January 27, 2018, 12:05:10 AM
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Thanks for links to different forums. However, if I leave Bitcointalk forum, I have to start from zero at another. So sad to imagine the scenario like this.
And please, pray tell, does it matter about where you start from if you are going to a forum for good conversation? Granted there may be some restrictions in place, but I can't imagine that these are anything worse than what you went through to start posting here. So why did you go through it here?

Oh wait, I know. Because your rank was directly monetized, and that is something that you can't get on other forums. So why bother, right?
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January 27, 2018, 12:05:49 AM
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The truth is that the majority of people are on this forum because you can't earn money from any of those alternatives. I absolutely welcome the idea of those people, those only here for money, fucking off and moving to another forum to spread their shit. I sincerely hope that the merit system is a step towards this.
I'm sure that's the case for most people: they're here for money.
But, to be fair, this is the most popular bitcoin forum by far. Going to another forum (or worst, creating a new one as suggested by others) is impractical because there would be to few people there. We could say BTT has the monopoly.

(Do not take this as I'm supporting the spammers, I'm just saying what I just posted)

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January 27, 2018, 12:09:56 AM
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I've said before it's harsh for Hero members with over 775 activity to get only 500 merits, and your case is the worst I think!

What about Legendary members who now have the same Merit as those who have 1,000+ less activity than they do?   Wink

The system is not perfect, but nothing stops Theymos from tweaking it later.

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