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January 27, 2018, 07:44:37 PM
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It would be reasonable if the merits were calculated in accordance with the activity, and not with the rank. Many frontier guards suffered, especially juniors - 2-5 activity were missing from the member and now please ... (I read in other topics that in this shift of ranks (January 30), merits will not be taken into account! And this at least somehow compensated for the effect of surprise )


I fully understand you, my Junior brother, the merit system is a big surprise for all of us. But what can we do ? Just adopt and mine merits one by one writing good posts. On the other hand it is better than paying money to rank up. And amount of activities needed to rank up also can be increased. Better merits than that.
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January 27, 2018, 07:54:07 PM
 #1582

why this hero member got 1000 Merits?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675421

any idea?

Because of this change:

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

I missed it by only some posts as well.
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January 27, 2018, 08:07:14 PM
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if we have sMerits we have a responsibility to reward people.


exactly this. the sooner the people who got an initial large stack of sMerit (just from our ranking when this was implemented) start spreading it around, the more sMerit those who received it can start sending sMerit of their own. we need to spread this initial pool of sMerits out so more members than just high ranking members with sMerit to burn are doing it.

as of right now the bulk of people who can freely send sMerit without worrying about running dry right away (and thus not being able to +merit a worthy post at that point) are high ranking members so it seems top heavy. once these sMerits are spread around more i think posts that may otherwise be overlooked by high ranking members (because they may not have enough interest in some areas of the forums [beginners and help, say], or a thread just doesnt attract their interest because the topic is old news to the btc vetrans) will be merited by the regular "rank and file" members as the pool of people with spendable sMerits expands.




You got it bud. I gave you merit as I appreciate the post and I know you will pay it forwards..


thanks Smiley

since this merit thing happened ive been more or less aimlessly cruising around the forum looks for posts to merit.
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January 27, 2018, 08:13:28 PM
 #1584

why this hero member got 1000 Merits?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675421

any idea?

Because of this change:

I decided that the previous allocation was too unfair in this area, so everyone with activity >= 775 got 500 more merit if they didn't already have 1000 merit (and also Lutpin). No extra sMerit, though.

I missed it by only some posts as well.
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fuck.. we should get at least 900 Merits then.. we are also close to that activity number.

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January 27, 2018, 08:18:38 PM
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I think it's a great system to purge all the spam and the posts that do not contribute useful additions to the forum although I do think it might be good to have this new system be advertised more, maybe some kind of banner at the top of the forum home page? Or a big bold wall of text just to get peoples attention that there is a new forum system in place so that everyone is aware that they can give out Merit too and that they will have to up the quality of their posts if they hope to ever level up their account.

Anyway, great addition, hoping it will be a lot more pleasant to scroll through threads now without all the obvious spammers Smiley

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January 27, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
 #1586

We do not know the participants of this forum, who they are in real life and what their mental abilities are. If a participant has the title of Legendary, can he decide whose posts are useful and constructive? Sorry for such a question.


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January 27, 2018, 08:45:22 PM
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We do not know the participants of this forum, who they are in real life and what their mental abilities are. If a participant has the title of Legendary, can he decide whose posts are useful and constructive? Sorry for such a question.


Because they have 1000x more experience in bitcoin than you.... that a good enough reason?

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January 27, 2018, 08:56:05 PM
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We do not know the participants of this forum, who they are in real life and what their mental abilities are. If a participant has the title of Legendary, can he decide whose posts are useful and constructive? Sorry for such a question.


Because they have 1000x more experience in bitcoin than you.... that a good enough reason?

I dont know how to feel about that argument. My account is one and a half years older then this guys account.

why this hero member got 1000 Merits?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=675421

any idea?

I know I could have made more posts but I never really cared about becoming a Legendary member.
But getting a deficit which is that huge is really a bummer.


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Last edit: January 27, 2018, 09:20:31 PM by CobraJ
 #1589

The positive of this Merit System is that it will decrease shitposting in the context of sig campaigns.

The obvious negative is that it will drive begging and circlejerking.

Still have mixed feelings about it.. one thing is for sure; the positive results will take time to arrive since old (buy at least 1yr active) accounts are automatically being given all Merit they need. So the increase of post quality will come only from the newer account (newbies, junior and members specifically) as there's smaller incentive for existing senior/hero/leg to get Merit points.

A distributed system attempts to access an API data source, but since the nodes need not execute the instructions simultaneously, the data provided by the API can yield different results. Hence you need to build some kind of time to API value lookup table; formally called oracle.
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January 27, 2018, 09:51:38 PM
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Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed, I'm not reading through 82 pages.


Currently, the forum's general protocol frowns heavily on the act of asking for positive trust in return for a transaction. Hell, I've been given negative trust (unfairly) for simply stating that I would conduct a transaction for free if the other person would consider giving me trust equal to the experience.

Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?

I just came across a post where someone explained a simple idea and then said "if you like my idea, send me merit." There is no negative merit, so an ask like this seems more serious than asking for trust.

What's the consensus here, if someone is asking for merit should they be penalized or ostracized or "corrected" as to the correct forum protocol to not do so?
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January 27, 2018, 09:56:18 PM
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wow this Merit topic is on every thread in Meta, someone please start subreddit for it already Grin 

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January 27, 2018, 09:56:50 PM
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Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed, I'm not reading through 82 pages.


Currently, the forum's general protocol frowns heavily on the act of asking for positive trust in return for a transaction. Hell, I've been given negative trust (unfairly) for simply stating that I would conduct a transaction for free if the other person would consider giving me trust equal to the experience.

Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?

I just came across a post where someone explained a simple idea and then said "if you like my idea, send me merit." There is no negative merit, so an ask like this seems more serious than asking for trust.

What's the consensus here, if someone is asking for merit should they be penalized or ostracized or "corrected" as to the correct forum protocol to not do so?

To be honest, i would not ask for merit but, i see selling it as a far worse thing.

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January 27, 2018, 09:58:01 PM
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 #1593

Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?
Yes, no, and maybe.
There are threads where people actively search for recommendations on posts to merit, going there and suggesting posts (even if they are your own) is alright, it's even wanted. I dont see harm in it.
Another case would it be when you are sending unsolicited PMs to people who you suspect to have big amounts of sMerit. Here it should be 100% not allowed. Aggressive begging cant be tolerated.
When it comes to a post/thread, imo it depends on the content of it. Some threads currently ask for donations, and that's OK. They could ask for merit donations instead of BTC donations, I would find that OK.
Some threads have avertisements, and that's Ok, similar situation. This does not apply to all threads/posts alike, I think it's something everyone has to determine for themselve individually. Find your own line.

I just came across a post where someone explained a simple idea and then said "if you like my idea, send me merit." There is no negative merit, so an ask like this seems more serious than asking for trust.
An easy way to punish them is not giving them any merit, even if the post would deserve some.

wow this Merit topic is on every thread in Meta, someone please start subreddit for it already
15 minutes of fame. In a week, everyone will get used to it and it's business as usual, hacked accounts and banned spammers.

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January 27, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
 #1594

Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?
Yes, no, and maybe.
There are threads where people actively search for recommendations on posts to merit, going there and suggesting posts (even if they are your own) is alright, it's even wanted. I dont see harm in it.
Another case would it be when you are sending unsolicited PMs to people who you suspect to have big amounts of sMerit. Here it should be 100% not allowed. Aggressive begging cant be tolerated.
When it comes to a post/thread, imo it depends on the content of it. Some threads currently ask for donations, and that's OK. They could ask for merit donations instead of BTC donations, I would find that OK.
Some threads have avertisements, and that's Ok, similar situation. This does not apply to all threads/posts alike, I think it's something everyone has to determine for themselve individually. Find your own line.


I dont know if I should post this but I already got a pm like that.
What are the consequences for someone doing it?


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January 27, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
 #1595

Another case would it be when you are sending unsolicited PMs to people who you suspect to have big amounts of sMerit. Here it should be 100% not allowed. Aggressive begging cant be tolerated.
I dont know if I should post this but I already got a pm like that. What are the consequences for someone doing it?
That's a shortcut towards landing on my PM ignore list.

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January 27, 2018, 10:08:42 PM
 #1596

Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?
Yes, no, and maybe.
There are threads where people actively search for recommendations on posts to merit, going there and suggesting posts (even if they are your own) is alright, it's even wanted. I dont see harm in it.
Another case would it be when you are sending unsolicited PMs to people who you suspect to have big amounts of sMerit. Here it should be 100% not allowed. Aggressive begging cant be tolerated.
When it comes to a post/thread, imo it depends on the content of it. Some threads currently ask for donations, and that's OK. They could ask for merit donations instead of BTC donations, I would find that OK.
Some threads have avertisements, and that's Ok, similar situation. This does not apply to all threads/posts alike, I think it's something everyone has to determine for themselve individually. Find your own line.


I dont know if I should post this but I already got a pm like that.
What are the consequences for someone doing it?

Name them and shame them bud, I have given loads out and only had a few PM's of thanks - no begging, if I had begging ones I would be naming, shaming and asking DT to neg.

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January 27, 2018, 10:23:58 PM
 #1597

Next days in other forums or facebook, twitter, there will be thousands topics  of selling Merit :|

I need 10 Merit to become a Member :|
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January 27, 2018, 10:27:47 PM
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Next days in other forums or facebook, twitter, there will be thousands topics  of selling Merit :|

I need 10 Merit to become a Member :|

you can just try to make good and constructive posts other members will give you merit for it. Merit system was just created for it, try hard and you will succeed

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January 27, 2018, 10:47:28 PM
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In local board a sad problem. Many users with high rank (Legendary - Hero) send their sMerit into the void (for example, send sMerit theymos-satoshi or other inactive users with old messages), thereby leading sMerit out of circulation.

Example:



Original message:
вoт жaль чтo мoжнo тoлькo 50 мepитoв мoжнo oтпpaвить xoтeл вce мepиты oтпpaвить тeймocy a пoлyчилocь тoлькo 50  ( дpyзьям я oтпpaвлял пo 20 )  coвeтyю вceм лeгeндapи cдeлaть тoжe caмoe oтпpaвить вce мepиты eмy

Translate:
it's a pity that you can only send 50 merits you want to send all merits send theymosand it turned out only 50 (friends I sent to 20) I advise all the legendaries to do the same thing to send all merits to him

Seems to me that Peloso and those kind of disrupters should be banned because they are not really constructive in their sabotage attempts.  They get called out for being abusive with the merits, and then they one up their bullshit.  NOT needed or necessary.

Of course, we have to deal with ESG, KYC & AML, but each of them are attack vectors on Bitcoin to be avoided or minimized.

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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January 27, 2018, 10:59:36 PM
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I agree with the Merit system to ensure that there is no spam or meaningless messages used just to make post and activity numbers. But I think it is also right to look at the other side of this change. Members who were already Legendary depart with 1000 Merit while those who were in Hero (maybe even near the Legendary) will start with 500 Merit. An exaggeration in my opinion. All is well but we must also give the opportunity to the new to go up in grade or at least to put everyone on the same level.
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