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February 14, 2018, 11:12:08 PM
 #2781

we are only at the beginning we will see with time if this system will manage to raise the quality of posts and reduce spam

Yeah, sure. That's why legendary are sending each other merits, not sharing with anyone else.

In the meantime don't hold your breath. You won't be ranking up any time soon and neither will I.

Uhh... I think I should be offended.

My rank is legendary, and I've tried to distribute what sMerit I get to posts by newer members that strike me as interesting, constructive, or at least well thought out.

Mind you, the system is new and it's NOT habitual to me yet, but I have made the effort. And it appears to me that I am not alone in this.

Bitching by itself will not get you merit, that I can almost guarantee. Bitching with a point, or sharp wit, very well might Cheesy

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February 14, 2018, 11:25:56 PM
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we are only at the beginning we will see with time if this system will manage to raise the quality of posts and reduce spam

Yeah, sure. That's why legendary are sending each other merits, not sharing with anyone else.

In the meantime don't hold your breath. You won't be ranking up any time soon and neither will I.

Uhh... I think I should be offended.

My rank is legendary, and I've tried to distribute what sMerit I get to posts by newer members that strike me as interesting, constructive, or at least well thought out.

Mind you, the system is new and it's NOT habitual to me yet, but I have made the effort. And it appears to me that I am not alone in this.

Bitching by itself will not get you merit, that I can almost guarantee. Bitching with a point, or sharp wit, very well might Cheesy

Actually I could have been Legendary myself if only I had spammed a lot in these years - we all spam at a certain point, you can't explain in every post the sense of life. There are also "shitposts" like "hey I love that and I love this".

Into the Italian section of this forum there are people complaining about legendary sending merit, frankly I take it for granted, I'm starting to dislike the system and I won't investigate any further since I will just give up "giving my best".
Also I don't like ... licking boots with "hey this sssssMerit rocks".

I'm confused on one thing though. There is this "leitmotiv" going around that merit is going to kill spam.
I find this statement an open defying of logic.
Merit, as it has been show, is just a "like" system, à la facebook, with a substantial difference that accumulating points (that reminds me the points you get on the supermarket to buy a new set of pots or something like that) will make you, eventually, rank up.
In any way that won't prevent spammers from spamming - low ranks can still post, maybe not as fast as they want, but still they can post.
And that won't stop anyone else from posting what is called "shitposts", since there is no "de-merit" (oh crap, now I'm starting to give bad ideas to the administration...).

So, again, what's the point exactly for this ssssMerit system? (I have to make an avatar with Gollum saying "my sssssssMerit", too much fun...)
I'm not being rethorical here. I honestly don't get why the administration had the urge to add something more than just activity.
And activity alone is sufficient to speed down fake accounts.

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Thomas Paine, 1776.
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February 14, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
 #2783

Hi people!
I have enough activity to change my rank.
But now we need to have 500 Merit.

I have no idea where to get it. Where I write the answers in the topics, there are many beginners.
Now and for 10 years you can not get this amount.
Very disappointing.
Don't be disappointed, really, it could always be worse Smiley 250 merits are a lot of course, but not impossible, it's just the question of time, but not 10 years...
You can check my activities, I'm 5 activity points away from having a chance to rank up to be a Legendary but still missing nearly 500 merits. Problem? No. I was expected to become a legendary sometime this year. Merit system kicked in, so maybe next year, that's life.
You are a senior, so you have all the chances to enjoy the benefits of your rank, the forum and of course bitcoin.
If you make quality posts and somehow you won't get merited, you can still search the forum, there are several threads where high ranked members are helping those who are eligible for the merits, based on the post history and post quality. And be patient, that really helps Smiley

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February 14, 2018, 11:45:17 PM
 #2784

So what's the policy on a coin dev giving 20 merit to the post where his appointed PR flack introduces himself? That sounds like merit abuse to me, no? So as to not unfairly impugn anyone in case this is kosher, if a mod PMs me I'll provide a link to the post for him/her to evaluate.

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February 14, 2018, 11:50:27 PM
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So what's the policy on a coin dev giving 20 merit to the post where his appointed PR flack introduces himself? That sounds like merit abuse to me, no?
If they are not alts of each other, then no.

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February 14, 2018, 11:55:11 PM
Last edit: February 15, 2018, 10:34:31 AM by MagicSmoker
 #2786

So what's the policy on a coin dev giving 20 merit to the post where his appointed PR flack introduces himself? That sounds like merit abuse to me, no?
If they are not alts of each other, then no.

10-4; I will file under "distasteful, but not abusive." It seemed like a grey-area sort of call hence why I asked about it here.

 
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February 15, 2018, 12:44:53 AM
 #2787

we are only at the beginning we will see with time if this system will manage to raise the quality of posts and reduce spam

Yeah, sure. That's why legendary are sending each other merits, not sharing with anyone else.

In the meantime don't hold your breath. You won't be ranking up any time soon and neither will I.

Uhh... I think I should be offended.

My rank is legendary, and I've tried to distribute what sMerit I get to posts by newer members that strike me as interesting, constructive, or at least well thought out.

Mind you, the system is new and it's NOT habitual to me yet, but I have made the effort. And it appears to me that I am not alone in this.

Bitching by itself will not get you merit, that I can almost guarantee. Bitching with a point, or sharp wit, very well might Cheesy


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February 15, 2018, 01:06:38 AM
 #2788

we are only at the beginning we will see with time if this system will manage to raise the quality of posts and reduce spam

Yeah, sure. That's why legendary are sending each other merits, not sharing with anyone else.

In the meantime don't hold your breath. You won't be ranking up any time soon and neither will I.

Uhh... I think I should be offended.

My rank is legendary, and I've tried to distribute what sMerit I get to posts by newer members that strike me as interesting, constructive, or at least well thought out.

Mind you, the system is new and it's NOT habitual to me yet, but I have made the effort. And it appears to me that I am not alone in this.

Bitching by itself will not get you merit, that I can almost guarantee. Bitching with a point, or sharp wit, very well might Cheesy

Actually I could have been Legendary myself if only I had spammed a lot in these years - we all spam at a certain point, you can't explain in every post the sense of life. There are also "shitposts" like "hey I love that and I love this".

Into the Italian section of this forum there are people complaining about legendary sending merit, frankly I take it for granted, I'm starting to dislike the system and I won't investigate any further since I will just give up "giving my best".
Also I don't like ... licking boots with "hey this sssssMerit rocks".

I'm confused on one thing though. There is this "leitmotiv" going around that merit is going to kill spam.
I find this statement an open defying of logic.
Merit, as it has been show, is just a "like" system, à la facebook, with a substantial difference that accumulating points (that reminds me the points you get on the supermarket to buy a new set of pots or something like that) will make you, eventually, rank up.
In any way that won't prevent spammers from spamming - low ranks can still post, maybe not as fast as they want, but still they can post.
And that won't stop anyone else from posting what is called "shitposts", since there is no "de-merit" (oh crap, now I'm starting to give bad ideas to the administration...).

So, again, what's the point exactly for this ssssMerit system? (I have to make an avatar with Gollum saying "my sssssssMerit", too much fun...)
I'm not being rethorical here. I honestly don't get why the administration had the urge to add something more than just activity.
And activity alone is sufficient to speed down fake accounts.
I agree. Just that. I must explain again why with another worlds? Huh Cry
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February 15, 2018, 01:58:32 AM
 #2789

Is this a bug ? This user has more than enough merits and activity to be a legendary member but his current rank is still hero member.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519

That user I linked above was just one of them I think there's more of them who have 1000 merits and 770+ activity who aren't legendary.



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February 15, 2018, 02:15:57 AM
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So how can I gain 90 merit just to rank up to Full Member..? That means I need 90 unique people to randomly select me out of the thousands of posts they see a day just to rank up? I was under the impression that activity was the only thing that determined rank, which I was thankful for since I could rank up by Feb. 14. Turns out that after going to 126 activity, I get a private message from a user explaining to me that I cannot receive Full Member rank without 100 damn merit. Are you serious? And this was introduced 11 days ago. My fucking luck.

I get that it is to reduce spam and increase the quality of posts, but holy shit how am I going to get 90 people to give me merit when there are literally thousands of people posting every single day? Doesn't matter if I post extremely high quality posts or not.

EDIT: Also why is the merit jump so dramatic from Member to Full Member? 60 activity and 10 merit is required for Member rank, but 120 activity and 100 merit is required for Full Member? Activity is increased by 2x, but the merit is increased by 10x? That makes 0 sense.
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February 15, 2018, 02:18:10 AM
Last edit: February 15, 2018, 02:36:08 AM by TryNinja
 #2791

Is this a bug ? This user has more than enough merits and activity to be a legendary member but his current rank is still hero member.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=558519

That user I linked above was just one of them I think there's more of them who have 1000 merits and 770+ activity who aren't legendary.
Required activity:

Legendary: random in the range 775-1030

This user has only 868 activity. He can become a Legendary in the next period or maybe only at the 1022 activity mark. He got 1000 merits by default because theymos thought it was not fair to only give 500 merits to Hero Members who were in the 775-1030 range and could become Legendary at any time.

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February 15, 2018, 02:24:30 AM
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what is the meaning of merit guys Huh.. i'm a newbie here. Thanks
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February 15, 2018, 02:29:38 AM
 #2793

So how can I gain 90 merit just to rank up to Full Member..? That means I need 90 unique people to randomly select me out of the thousands of posts they see a day just to rank up? I was under the impression that activity was the only thing that determined rank, which I was thankful for since I could rank up by Feb. 14. Turns out that after going to 126 activity, I get a private message from a user explaining to me that I cannot receive Full Member rank without 100 damn merit. Are you serious? And this was introduced 11 days ago. My fucking luck.
Users can choose to give you more than 1 merit per post. E.g: I have seen posts receiving 5 merits per user.

I get that it is to reduce spam and increase the quality of posts, but holy shit how am I going to get 90 people to give me merit when there are literally thousands of people posting every single day? Doesn't matter if I post extremely high quality posts or not.
It does. Do you see this user? He was just a Member when theymos introduced the merit system (he started with 10 merit), and now he already has 373 merits. You can try to do the same Cheesy

EDIT: Also why is the merit jump so dramatic from Member to Full Member? 60 activity and 10 merit is required for Member rank, but 120 activity and 100 merit is required for Full Member? Activity is increased by 2x, but the merit is increased by 10x? That makes 0 sense.
It takes 120 days to become a Full Member. Are you saying that you are not capable of making 100 high quality posts (or even less if you receive 2~5 merits in some posts) in 4 months? The system was designed to separate spammers from good users. it was not meant to be easy.

what is the meaning of merit guys Huh.. i'm a newbie here. Thanks
Wtf? You're in a thread called "Merit & new rank requirements" and you come here asking "what is merit"? Everything is explained above. Can you even read?

Keep up with that shit and you will never get any merit/rank up.

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February 15, 2018, 02:43:26 AM
 #2794

So how can I gain 90 merit just to rank up to Full Member..? That means I need 90 unique people to randomly select me out of the thousands of posts they see a day just to rank up? I was under the impression that activity was the only thing that determined rank, which I was thankful for since I could rank up by Feb. 14. Turns out that after going to 126 activity, I get a private message from a user explaining to me that I cannot receive Full Member rank without 100 damn merit. Are you serious? And this was introduced 11 days ago. My fucking luck.
Users can choose to give you more than 1 merit per post. E.g: I have seen posts receiving 5 merits per user.

I get that it is to reduce spam and increase the quality of posts, but holy shit how am I going to get 90 people to give me merit when there are literally thousands of people posting every single day? Doesn't matter if I post extremely high quality posts or not.
It does. Do you see this user? He was just a Member when theymos introduced the merit system (he started with 10 merit), and now he already has 373 merits. You can try to do the same Cheesy

EDIT: Also why is the merit jump so dramatic from Member to Full Member? 60 activity and 10 merit is required for Member rank, but 120 activity and 100 merit is required for Full Member? Activity is increased by 2x, but the merit is increased by 10x? That makes 0 sense.
It takes 120 days to become a Full Member. Are you saying that you are not capable of making 100 high quality posts (or even less if you receive 2~5 merits in some posts) in 4 months? The system was designed to separate spammers from good users. it was not meant to be easy.

I've made over 20 posts since the merit update and have received exactly 0 merit from anyone. Go through my posts if you want, they are better than most peoples. Obviously here and there are some that didn't have much thought put into them. But most of them are HQ.
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February 15, 2018, 02:44:50 AM
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So how can I gain 90 merit just to rank up to Full Member..? That means I need 90 unique people to randomly select me out of the thousands of posts they see a day just to rank up? I was under the impression that activity was the only thing that determined rank, which I was thankful for since I could rank up by Feb. 14. Turns out that after going to 126 activity, I get a private message from a user explaining to me that I cannot receive Full Member rank without 100 damn merit. Are you serious? And this was introduced 11 days ago. My fucking luck.

I get that it is to reduce spam and increase the quality of posts, but holy shit how am I going to get 90 people to give me merit when there are literally thousands of people posting every single day? Doesn't matter if I post extremely high quality posts or not.

EDIT: Also why is the merit jump so dramatic from Member to Full Member? 60 activity and 10 merit is required for Member rank, but 120 activity and 100 merit is required for Full Member? Activity is increased by 2x, but the merit is increased by 10x? That makes 0 sense.

It's true that it is quite impossible to get more 90 merits for being Full Member. I agree with you. It should be 2x OR 3x more. 100 Merits for Full member!!! I can't even think of being a Full Member..lol

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February 15, 2018, 02:58:01 AM
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I've made over 20 posts since the merit update and have received exactly 0 merit from anyone. Go through my posts if you want, they are better than most peoples. Obviously here and there are some that didn't have much thought put into them. But most of them are HQ.
From your last 20 posts:

2 in this thread.
1 complaining about the merit system.
3 in the "Off-topic" board.
9 in your "Selling Lifetime Netflix" thread. (lifetime... rly?)
2 selling LOL rp cards.
1 trying to join a signature campaign.

And 2 in a "Bitcoin Discussion" mega-spam thread.

Do you really think those posts deserve any merit?

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February 15, 2018, 03:05:42 AM
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I've made over 20 posts since the merit update and have received exactly 0 merit from anyone. Go through my posts if you want, they are better than most peoples. Obviously here and there are some that didn't have much thought put into them. But most of them are HQ.
From your last 20 posts:

1 complaining about the merit system.
1 trying to join a signature campaign.
2 in this thread.
3 in the "Off-topic" board.
9 in your "Selling Lifetime Netflix" thread. (lifetime... rly?)
2 selling LOL rp cards.

And only 2 in a "Bitcoin Discussion" mega-thread spam.

Do you really think those posts deserve any merit?

Okay, I really hope you realize the "complaining about the merit system" posts were AFTER I originally posted on this thread. And the "trying to join a sig campaign" post was because I thought I was receiving Full Member to apply for the sig campaign which I already stated early in this conversation. Posts in the off-topic board are from your point of view not worth merit? That makes 0 sense considering the off-topic board is very helpful to a lot of newbies. And my sales threads do not count considering I am SELLING services, not providing help to anyone. So therefore your whole comment is basically pointless.
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February 15, 2018, 03:10:53 AM
 #2798

we are only at the beginning we will see with time if this system will manage to raise the quality of posts and reduce spam

Yeah, sure. That's why legendary are sending each other merits, not sharing with anyone else.

In the meantime don't hold your breath. You won't be ranking up any time soon and neither will I.

Uhh... I think I should be offended.

My rank is legendary, and I've tried to distribute what sMerit I get to posts by newer members that strike me as interesting, constructive, or at least well thought out.

Mind you, the system is new and it's NOT habitual to me yet, but I have made the effort. And it appears to me that I am not alone in this.

Bitching by itself will not get you merit, that I can almost guarantee. Bitching with a point, or sharp wit, very well might Cheesy

Love your reply. It's good you have such a mindset and I honestly wish all big sMerit holders can have the same attitude as you.  It will give this system a hope of achieving what it truly sets out to achieve.

Frankly, I think this system will indeed "raise quality of post and reduce spam", in a good sense (it will not eliminate spam however). I think what genuine people (myself included) are concerned about is the side effect that it will also reduce the number of genuine people ranking up.  Because as I have said previously, this system is a very subjective system.  The very definition of "quality of post" will differ from one person to another.  The level of generosity will differ, as well as the awareness level of each person.  As you pointed out, it's not habitual to you yet; I'm sure this is also the same case for a lot others out there. And outside of a few threads similar to this, I'm not sure if there are equal ratio of sMerits being distributed per post on all the other threads.  (Perhaps there's an analysis already done that I'm not aware of?)

I guess what genuine members are simply hoping is how to get themselves recognized and achieve the ranking that they deserve without being unjustly hit by the system.  That's why there are gripes and rants on this thread.

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February 15, 2018, 03:15:39 AM
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I am certain that acquiring 100 smerits is very difficult to achieve even if you spend 5 years posting here so  I hope full would be 30 and senior would be 80.
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February 15, 2018, 03:16:36 AM
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So how can I gain 90 merit just to rank up to Full Member..? That means I need 90 unique people to randomly select me out of the thousands of posts they see a day just to rank up? I was under the impression that activity was the only thing that determined rank, which I was thankful for since I could rank up by Feb. 14. Turns out that after going to 126 activity, I get a private message from a user explaining to me that I cannot receive Full Member rank without 100 damn merit. Are you serious? And this was introduced 11 days ago. My fucking luck.

I get that it is to reduce spam and increase the quality of posts, but holy shit how am I going to get 90 people to give me merit when there are literally thousands of people posting every single day? Doesn't matter if I post extremely high quality posts or not.

EDIT: Also why is the merit jump so dramatic from Member to Full Member? 60 activity and 10 merit is required for Member rank, but 120 activity and 100 merit is required for Full Member? Activity is increased by 2x, but the merit is increased by 10x? That makes 0 sense.

Always remember that you are not the only one with this issue. And above all, I feel your pain. It might take a very long of time for us to rank up in this case.

Legendary: random in the range 775-1030
This user has only 868 activity. He can become a Legendary in the next period or maybe only at the 1022 activity mark. He got 1000 merits by default because theymos thought it was not fair to only give 500 merits to Hero Members who were in the 775-1030 range and could become Legendary at any time.

@Theymos : I support your update. Personally, I think this is the best way to reduce spammers.

But if what TryNinja saying is true, then I'm sorry, but you are being unfair here.
I'm so sorry to ask this, but what about those people who were so close to rank up before this update as well? If what TryNinja stated is true, then you should implemented it to all of those users who almost rank up as well regardless what their ranks are. Or at least give those people handicaps, like I'll take myself as the example:

I supposed to rank up to full member just few more days before this update (112 activity), but suddenly this update comes in and I gotta collect 90 more merits in order to rank up. Exactly the same like the other members rank with "60 activity". I think this is unfair.

Once again, I support this, just askin for a little consideration. Thank you in advance, sir @theymos. Have a great day Smiley
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