Merit & new rank requirements

[Jet Cash]

What I see is that no one use merit.

As we cant rank up, people are going to pay a lot for high ranked account.. and its not cool.
It just add more values to accounts that reached higher rank before this update. Not rly fair.

Just look at people's merit, they only have the merit based on their previous rank (0, 10 and 100 mostly).

The idea was great, but atm its not working.  

Deleting all ranks would be better 

There are a lot of members who have received merit. If a member only has the merit based on their current rank, then there is a reason, and it probably indicates that the merit system is starting to work.

[pham42760]

Thank you guys! You've explained everything to me better than infographics did.

Btw, infographics are useless if you just put text on a jpeg picture. That's not an infographic.

Someone who have designed skills think that making infographics help them to earn Merits. Actually, in some cases, it works, lol.

[Vod]

Would you also be happy if all the signature campaigns are removed from the forum ? That will make all the merits and ranks useless than right.

Radical solution lol, most users would be done using this forum.

Nonsense.   Five years ago there were no signature campaigns, and bitcoin was worth a few dollars.  This forum thrived back then.

[californiaquail]

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

Are you an engineer ? Because this is absolutely ununderstandable 

[krishnaverma]

Radical solution lol, most users would be done using this forum.
But people would be more honest.

It may sound harsh to you but there are good chances of that happening. Here is what admin said about this recently

It's too early to get a clear picture, but my thoughts so far:

First, most people complaining about merit are constantly posting garbage, and should not rank-up. The forum is not a welfare system; you don't run through a few hoops and then get paid for doing something that nobody actually wants. I like that good forum members can make money, especially when said forum members are in poorer countries and this is a major opportunity for them. I very much do not want to destroy the sig-ad/airdrop/bounty "industry". But I am not going to tolerate people posting garbage upon garbage. If the merit system completely fails and I can't think of anything else to replace it, then my next step will probably be to completely remove all ways for forum users to make money from posting (eg. removing signatures entirely).

[krishnaverma]

Nonsense.   Five years ago there were no signature campaigns, and bitcoin was worth a few dollars.  This forum thrived back then.

There were not that many members. It is true that a lot of members joined because of the monetary benefits involved and they will leave. I think admin is not concerned about those users as they do not add much value here. Judging a forum by number of members is not appropriate in my opinion as well.

[Makkara]

is there any actual evidence that the system works for the purpose that was created at this point? 

[TheQuin]

is there any actual evidence that the system works for the purpose that was created at this point? 

Yes, the number of spammers complaining they'll never be able to rank.

[Makkara]

is there any actual evidence that the system works for the purpose that was created at this point? 

Yes, the number of spammers complaining they'll never be able to rank.

So i assume the answer sadly is no.

For that beside there was no need to come up with a bad idea poorly executed. Was just enough to freeze the ranks.

[amerrigan]

Surely all the new system does is create an external marketplace for selling "Merit" (i.e. Fiverr etc)?

[TheQuin]

So i assume the answer sadly is no...... Was just enough to freeze the ranks.

You assume incorrectly. As I already said the answer is yes. One of the purposes of the system is to prevent spammers ranking up but not those that deserve to, so it is working on that level.

For that beside there was no need to come up with a bad idea poorly executed.

Another purpose is to highlight content worth reading and on a personal level I have found using the Recent merits page has led me to all sorts of great threads that normally would have been buried in all the noise. The system is a great idea that has been executed well. It's early to see its full effects, but so far the results have been very positive.

[Meraki]

is there any actual evidence that the system works for the purpose that was created at this point?  

Yes, the number of spammers complaining they'll never be able to rank.

So i assume the answer sadly is no.

For that beside there was no need to come up with a bad idea poorly executed. Was just enough to freeze the ranks.

Youre mistaken sir, merit system is working as it supposed to be, because it helps people be more concise in what their posting about. And it also dramatically reduce shitposters as well  as account farmers because they wont get anything with half assed post.
Lastly their are some cases alt accounts being detected because they can track the merit given massively to unworthy post.

Surely all the new system does is create an external marketplace for selling "Merit" (i.e. Fiverr etc)?

Dont need to create anymore section. Even though theymos stated that merit selling is not that big issue, it is still unethical to buy merit to others. Merits must be earned not bought.

Edit: fixed typos

[Harsh_Patel]

I think merit system will take a long time to come into effect as current merit generation is going on and Admins will need time to generate more merit to give it to the users, who actually deserve it.

One Suggestion:

As merit is the way to rank the post for the quality. Why don't you guys put in higher in the page. I mean give it preference, when user sees it.


I am Member waiting for promotion to the Full Member and I think Merit is worth what is stand for. I can wait for the promotion if it helps the community grow in the good way.

[bitgov]

Merit system for new users looks like unfair. However, there is no doubt that the long run will bring positive results.

I would like to know what do you think about that:

Ok!
Those who give me merits will PM the pictures and video ))

[pvk444]

Would you also be happy if all the signature campaigns are removed from the forum ? That will make all the merits and ranks useless than right.

Radical solution lol, most users would be done using this forum.

Nonsense.   Five years ago there were no signature campaigns, and bitcoin was worth a few dollars.  This forum thrived back then.

I'm on here only since a few months, and only very recentely realized that one can make money with signatures. (As a matter of fact, my signature does not make me any money, as that's not how that specific coin works. I use it out of conviction). Thus, until recently, I only regarded the ranks as a measure of board "seniority" and by implication as a measure of opinion influence.

TBH, I have not looked at how the revenue from signatures work, but I can see now that people simply want to increase rank to achieve a higher income, rather than because they are interested in the discussions and insights per se.

I presume (hope) there are others like me, who are less interested in the monetary rewards than in the intellectual rewards from participating. Thus, perhaps decoupling the rank and the merit system, and only use the merit system to have influence on the monetary benefits, maybe that would be cleaner in term of incentives? It would certainly work for me.

[osipovis]

I presume (hope) there are others like me, who are less interested in the monetary rewards than in the intellectual rewards from participating. Thus, perhaps decoupling the rank and the merit system, and only use the merit system to have influence on the monetary benefits, maybe that would be cleaner in term of incentives? It would certainly work for me.

We need more members to think like this. Currently, the majority sees their interests before that of this forum.

[amerrigan]

I think merit system will take a long time to come into effect as current merit generation is going on and Admins will need time to generate more merit to give it to the users, who actually deserve it.

One Suggestion:

As merit is the way to rank the post for the quality. Why don't you guys put in higher in the page. I mean give it preference, when user sees it.


I am Member waiting for promotion to the Full Member and I think Merit is worth what is stand for. I can wait for the promotion if it helps the community grow in the good way.

Yup me too, I've been a lurker on these forums for years only recently got back into crypto (TBH it was the Christmas price rises). I've just hit the "old" threshold today to become a "member" and wondered why I hadn't ranked up yet.

Now I know

[izanagi narukami]

is there any actual evidence that the system works for the purpose that was created at this point? 

Yes, the number of spammers complaining they'll never be able to rank.

For lucky spammer they are happy for this moment.
(Lucky spammer : a spammer who created many alt account before merit implementation )

After they have spent out their smerit, I'm sure merit implementation will work !

[mrelich]

I presume (hope) there are others like me, who are less interested in the monetary rewards than in the intellectual rewards from participating. Thus, perhaps decoupling the rank and the merit system, and only use the merit system to have influence on the monetary benefits, maybe that would be cleaner in term of incentives? It would certainly work for me.

I don't agree. Rank of the member should mean his "seniority" not only by number of posts, but also by quality of posts. I think that nobody wants Hero members that are posting shitposts in this forum. So i like the idea that members should qualify for a higher rank only if they post something meaningful.  If you are more interested in intellectual benefits, then there is no need for the rank upgrade anyway..

The other thing is that it's currently quite difficult to get some merits. It looks like a very long journey to upgrade from Member to a Full Member for example, even for users  that are posting quality posts. I hope this will get better once there are more sMerits available from Merit sources.

[amerrigan]

I presume (hope) there are others like me, who are less interested in the monetary rewards than in the intellectual rewards from participating. Thus, perhaps decoupling the rank and the merit system, and only use the merit system to have influence on the monetary benefits, maybe that would be cleaner in term of incentives? It would certainly work for me.

I don't agree. Rank of the member should mean his "seniority" not only by number of posts, but also by quality of posts. I think that nobody wants Hero members that are posting shitposts in this forum. So i like the idea that members should qualify for a higher rank only if they post something meaningful.  If you are more interested in intellectual benefits, then there is no need for the rank upgrade anyway..

The other thing is that currently it's quote difficult to get some merits. It looks like a very long journey to upgrade from Member to Full Member for example, even for users  that are posting quality posts. I hope this will get better once there are more sMerits available from Merit sources.

Isn't this just another form of elitism though? Only those with sufficient rank can decide on who can progress through the system.

Isn't it is also far too easy for some of these "shitpost heros" to level up their own secondary/multiple accounts and not use the system as intended.

We need a rank Hard-fork!