Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[HardwareReviewer]

So the big surprise is that there isn't one  

Good one BA.

I'll leave my computer screen now and start laughing for two weeks on end.

[nexus99]

COMPLETE IDIOTS... I WILL TRY TO WARN EVERYONE PEOPLE ABOUT THIS IDIOTS IF THEY SHIP THAT SHIT OF PRODUCT..I KNEW IT AND I WAS TELLING IT ALL THE TIME THAT ASSHOLES WILL SCREW UP US!! MORONS!!

You should make the text larger and then give it a different color background. I am having a hard time reading what you are putting up as it is now. There is something coming from someone's asshole when they get screwed? I can't quite pick it all up.

[nexus99]

Compensation

Currently we are unable to raise the compensation more than announced previously. The final decision will be made after we complete all deliveries in order to calculate the yield and our final costs.
However, we have done all preliminary calculations possible right now and due to our design focused on quality including:
-8 layer PCBs
-heatpipe heatsinks
-aluminium case
-included power supply
-long life 4 wire 5000 RPM fans
-genuine parts (capacitors, resistors, mosfets, inductors etc)
-capacitors that cannot explode
Our current design will not be able to directly compete on price with competitors’ design most of which are using one or more of the following:
-4 layers PCBs
-extruded aluminum heatsinks
-steel cases or case-less units
-no power supplies
-1500 rpm 2 wire fan (no speed control, no rpm reading)
As currently there are lower cost designs for our ASICs, at this point we would like to offer our loyal customers the possibility to exchange their order to Minion ASICs. We are now offering to exchange your order to ASIC at a discounted price of lower than $0.5/Ghash as follows:
-Each X3 preorder can be exchanged for 100 ASICS
-Each X1 preorder can be exchanged for 6 ASICs
-Each $55 paid for Rent-A-Minion service can be exchanged for 1 ASIC

Note that customers who choose to exchange their orders for ASICs forfeit the compensation announced previously.
Dispatch for the Minions is available immediately

Now this load of bullshit really takes the cake.

You're late and ridiculously overpriced because your product is superior??

"As currently there are lower cost designs for our ASICs". Are you fucking kidding me? The reason that people outside of BA were able to put together working machines from Minion ASICs is because their designs were cheaper? Do you think we're idiots?

Seriously, stop these excuses and be a man. There is no shame in admitting that BA is an incompetent organization. But this is just beyond the pale.

The price on this gear will drop significantly as soon as Batch 1 and 2 are completely shipped.

[Airwhale]

Wow, attacks coming in already.  Let see what real people think, not trolls from BA.

I'm a real person,  with a real order through minersource.

I feel really bad for those people who have X-3 orders from BA for 6k.  They are paying about $2 per Ghash.  That's an insane price today.  AntS3s are about $1 per Ghash.  I've never had a S1 fail on me,  and I'm guessing the S3s are of similar build quality.  Even with the power supply,  they are still overpaying by about 40% compared to currently available hardware. Losing forty cents on your dollar isn't fun =(

I'm not happy.  I was at least expecting a few months of cloud hashing.

[ChuckBuck]

Wow, attacks coming in already.   Let see what real people think, not trolls from BA.

I'm a real person,  with a real order through minersource.

I feel really bad for those people who have X-3 orders from BA for 6k.  They are paying about $2 per Ghash.  That's an insane price today.  AntS3s are about $1 per Ghash.  I've never had a S1 fail on me,  and I'm guessing the S3s are of similar build quality.  Even with the power supply,  they are still overpaying by about 40% compared to currently available hardware. Losing forty cents on your dollar isn't fun =(

I'm not happy.  I was at least expecting a few months of cloud hashing.

What are you waiting for then?

Put your refund request through Minersource and opt for store gift card and order a bunch of Antminer S3's with that money!

That's 10 S3's or roughly 5 TH/s then the crap 2.4 TH/s you're getting from Broke Arrow.

I bet you'd get the S3's before the X-3's also.

 

[Airwhale]

Wow, attacks coming in already.   Let see what real people think, not trolls from BA.

I'm a real person,  with a real order through minersource.

I feel really bad for those people who have X-3 orders from BA for 6k.  They are paying about $2 per Ghash.  That's an insane price today.  AntS3s are about $1 per Ghash.  I've never had a S1 fail on me,  and I'm guessing the S3s are of similar build quality.  Even with the power supply,  they are still overpaying by about 40% compared to currently available hardware. Losing forty cents on your dollar isn't fun =(

I'm not happy.  I was at least expecting a few months of cloud hashing.

What are you waiting for then?

Put your refund request through Minersource and opt for store gift card and order a bunch of Antminer S3's with that money!

That's 10 S3's or roughly 5 TH/s then the crap 2.4 TH/s you're getting from Broke Arrow.

I bet you'd get the S3's before the X-3's also.

 

Yeah,  It's frustrating,  because minersource has a 20% or so markup for their S3s. I'm not too thrilled with losing 18-20% on the dollar, either. I have an email in to MS,  I'm hoping I can just go for a refund with some 5% restocking fee, and be done with it.  I ordered my X-3s when they were 5k each  so it isn't as clear cut for me.  If they are unwilling to budge I guess I'm going to contact some lawyer friends and see what my options are.

I did make my orders based on bobsag's recommendation here on the boards,  so I'm hoping he will set things right.  Not having that much sympathy for minersource at the moment.

[dogjunior]

So the surprise that Black Arrow was holding back is the fact that they won't price match their competitors and they can't offer any more compensation? Was this really any surprise or just expected?

[me2014]

oh,I wish I had ordered from MS..I would give them immediately 20% and for rest of money to get some of s3..

[SunnyIgor]

oh,I wish I had ordered from MS..I would give them immediately 20% and for rest of money to get some of s3..

i guess that most of ''black arrows loyal custermers'' would go for that option now....

[MANofthePEOPLE]

I wonder if the scammers at Black Arrow will ever admit that the 24 february shipping was a blatant lie? I mean it's painfully obvious to everyone at this point but I doubt they have enough decency to say it out loud.

[AchrafB]

2.We have already manufactured 10% of the X-3 backplanes which are now in SMT line for assembly. We expect to deliver them by 12th of July

I may to volunteer to test the first lot and provide a full report of the progression

[LennonNZ]

I ordered direct from blackarrow and got a tracking number 2 days ago, friday. I don't know what people here are talking about.

What was your Order number from Blackarrow? As many of us have low order numbers from Blackarrow and have seen nothing..

[primer10]

and Phinneaus Gage was right all along about these people.

Hate to admit it ... but he was right. Waiting for him to appear and say "There you go!"

[sticky]

So who is going to be requesting refunds?

If you do, please update us here on the status. I'm sure if a few people can successfully get a refund, the masses will follow.

Black Arrow, you should prepare your wallet and just refund customers with BTC no matter which way they paid you.

If you refund people and the X-2 isn't complete garbage, I'm sure people would buy a few. Also, when you drop the prices of the X-3 and X-1, a bunch of us will probably use the the refunded BTC to buy back the X3 and 1 at fair market prices. I would just because you acted in good faith for once and treated the people who funded you with a bit of respect.

[Trongersoll]

I ordered direct from blackarrow and got a tracking number 2 days ago, friday. I don't know what people here are talking about.

What was your Order number from Blackarrow? As many of us have low order numbers from Blackarrow and have seen nothing..

it is a 2 digit number.

[chomeop]

Order no. 3X (mid thirties) still no update
I paid like 6btc for 4 X1's in sept last year

[me2014]

does someone know the real name and surname of CEO or owner of that shit of company?

[LennonNZ]

If you search for it you'll find it on here on another thread. I posted the Company Documents a while ago but BA removed them

[nexus99]

If you search for it you'll find it on here on another thread. I posted the Company Documents a while ago but BA removed them

If you want to post things you don't want censored you should post in a thread not moderated by BA.

[sticky]

It looks like we WILL get the PSU for our Compensation units. Black Arrow- Don't go back on this!
 
Compensation
Currently we are unable to raise the compensation more than announced previously. The final decision will be made after we complete all deliveries in order to calculate the yield and our final costs.
However, we have done all preliminary calculations possible right now and due to our design focused on quality including:
-8 layer PCBs
-heatpipe heatsinks
-aluminium case
-included power supply
-long life 4 wire 5000 RPM fans
-genuine parts (capacitors, resistors, mosfets, inductors etc)
-capacitors that cannot not explode
 
 
Everyone- save your emails that state this, they will have no choice but to include the PSU, and probably refund everyone who has paid for extras.
 
 
I'm curious to see the price drop one they start shipping. I'll buy up a bunch of X-3's @ 1.5BTC a piece. If they're able to beat Bitmain's price, they may just be able to make enough to reward Batch 1 and 2 customers AND possibly fund a new project. Hopefully they'll hire proper PR people and stop the pre-order BS.
 
If they're very careful and play their cards right, they can take this (very) rough first run, learn from it, hire the right people, (like me) and redeem themselves.
 
For some reason I see a very faint light at the end of the tunnel.