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June 12, 2013, 11:48:26 AM
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Oh, you should tell that to id software. They made code of popular games like Doom and Quake open source. I guess they get no money.
ID software did not start out doing that. They do that now that they've had flagship games and made hundreds of millions.
It is even easier for online games: everything can be open source, but somebody needs to run server. The original developers will likely know how to do it in the best way.
You're saying this entirely on faith.
Do not talk about things you do not understand, OK? There are many companies with market cap measured in billions who offer free software.
I was involved with the free software community and a user of Redhat since before Redhat went public. I know how difficult it was and still is, and you're triviliazing it to make it seem like it's not a miracle what they pulled off.

Not only did they pull off the impossible but I don't think many companies have been able to duplicate it. Many other Linux distributions have failed. Redhat also is not anywhere near as rich as Microsoft or Apple. Do you really think Devcoin is going to fund the next Redhat?

They do, you just have no idea how it works. I work for a software startup, FYI, and I know a bit or two about this.


It's the free software movement because it empowers the user. Programmers who follow this philosophy do so becaue they wish to empower the user. Sometimes empowering the user does not get you nearly as much money as you'd get if you went the Apple or Microsoft route of locking people into your formats, or the route of trying to turn the computer into some sort of interactive Internet TV type box. If you empower users sometimes you'll never get rich or never make a profit at all, I've seen it happen that far more often than I've seen a Redhat miracle or Google miracle.

If you work for a startup which empowers the user then I wish only for the success of your startup. Maybe it could be the next Redhat or Google but I doubt it.
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June 12, 2013, 12:23:19 PM
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Just popping into the thread to say hi, I dev, and I still dev.
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June 12, 2013, 12:25:02 PM
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One of the writers on devtome, Wiser, posted this article outlining their experience and ideas for the project. I think it's definitely worth a read and some thinking through:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=on_writing_and_market_forces

Nice article, indeed.

I gotta clarify one point, though: programmers simply do not get same kind of a deal as writers do. 90% of share pool is supposed to be allocated for writers on devtome.

You can't just get devcoins for your open source code, there are only bounties for concrete things (e.g. devcoin software) and for software projects which meet certain eligibility criteria.

For example, I contribute to some Bitcoin-related open source project. It is hard to judge significance, but let's say bitcointalk thread about it was read 16084 times, and my posts on reddit informing about progress got ~100 upvotes. Here's my github account which shows contributions: https://github.com/killerstorm/

But I've been told that software I write is not eligible so I cannot get any devcoins for my code.

I really do not care much about it because I got some money from sponsors, I just mentioned it to note that programmers are not complaining about shrinking share... They never had a share to begin with. (Well, some people receive shares for Bitcoin software but they already received lots of devcoins so I doubt they will complain.)

The only thing which bothers me is long-term viability of Devcoin, I really wish this project best of luck, and everything I wrote are just observations from an external observer.

Here's a list of programmers who receive devcoin shares:

https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/bitcoinshare.html

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June 12, 2013, 12:39:47 PM
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I'm not a billionaire. I'm not even a millionaire. Some people in this world are millionaires and billionaires. So why would I want to work in the USA, and buy shares in Google...
You're referring to speculation and savings, which are not the sole foundations of a currency.

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Bitcoin is missing some infrastructure which keeps it from going mainstream but it is experiencing the network effect and just like Facebook did...
Facebook was free, Bitcoin is not. No comparison anyhow as amongst other things bitcoin is not claiming to be a fad.

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This isn't true. The idea that superior technology always wins isn't true. Myspace was a superior technology to Facebook and it did not win...
Don't mistake a network effect and the luxury of risks taken with existing wealth by an already comparitively wealthy subset, to the ability to shoehorn ordinary people from their hard-earned money. I'm not at all negative on cryptocurrencies in general, in fact I'm incredibly optimistic, only making the point that the winner will not be bitcoin as is.

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The only thing it would take to make Bitcoin be mainstream is infrastructure. When a human being can live off Bitcoins, pay their bills, rent, buy food, and Bitcoins are easy to use and buy, then it's ready to go mainstream. Right now Kashmir Hill has tried to live of Bitcoin and found it's still not ready. When this test takes place again and they find out its ready, then these journalists will begin hyping Bitcoin.
Right this is where we really part company. You would be absolutely correct, except you’re missing the pivotal point that any transaction requires two sides, including for Bitcoin. And to achieve any of the things you refer to beyond saving somebody is going to have to take the shitty side of a hoarded deflationary asset.

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And this is where we disagree. I don't think Bitcoin will be stopped once the technology is set up where people can live off them. It's not there yet. There needs to be Bitcoin banks, ATMs, credit/debit cards, secure hardware based wallets, distributed exchanges, and jobs which pay in Bitcoins along with the ability to buy anything with Bitcoins. These problems are being solved this year. Sometime in 2014 most of these problems will be solved. Then it's just a matter of scaling up.
No they won't be solved. They were not designed to be solved because Bitcoin is not what you advocate it to be. You say that people dislike inflation. You mean every saver dislikes inflation. Every borrower loves inflation (when balanced against asset price, wage trends). Could you explain, in practical and transaction terms:

(a) Why and how any borrower or anyone on the shitty side of bitcoin credit would choose to borrow in bitcoins when they can instead elect to borrow in stable or inflationary currency.

(b) If (a) is a problem, how the Bitcoin infrastructure persists without consistent interest in that side of the balance sheet

(c) If you don’t think (a) is a problem, how Bitcoin would support both the asset and liability sides of transaction, borrowers and lenders, buying and selling with credit/upfront/assured future goods and services delivery etc.

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You shouldn't have to buy them. You should be able to work for them. The reason Bitcoin isn't mainstream is because there isn't enough infrastructure set up for people so they can work for them. Coinbase is solving this problem, and Bitcoin banks and credit unions solve the other half. Coupons which give discounts to people using Bitcoin will promote demand.
The reference to ‘buying them’ was that somebody somewhere at sometime has to obtain them. My sloppy language.

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There will be other coins. Bitcoin does not have to be a niche coin either. When the exchange problem is solved then anyone who wants to can buy portions of Bitcoins at any time from any ATM or Walmart. When that happens it's all over for Paypal and that along would make Bitcoin mainstream. Go into Walmart and buy a Bitcoin debit card. Go to the Bitcoin ATM to turn Bitcoin into fiat and fiat into Bitcoin. Go to the Bitcoin credit union to get loans. Receive discoints, points and rewards for buying products and services with Bitcoins. It's an easy choice for anyone to use Bitcoins when they can get sales.
Yes there will be other coins. Bitcoin does not have to be a niche but it will be when it's quite a straightforward proposition to establish ones own blockchain, call it Wallmartcoin or VisaCoin or Devcoin etc with a foundation that better serves the needs of all users (i.e. that there are more of them).

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June 12, 2013, 01:31:13 PM
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I did place the order, will be waiting on delivery now.

For selling EAW water in devcoins:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110884.msg1207844#msg1207844
which can be bought by sending a request to eca@glari.ch

ECA Project becomes the sixth devcoin non mining business. For which Icoin gets 4 shares from the expanded business bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1220943#msg1220943

The 4 shares will be sent out in in the next round, round 17.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225680.msg2374444#msg2374444

Now accepting Devcoin as payment for my business as well!

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June 12, 2013, 01:55:45 PM
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Imagine if Satoshi were paid in Devcoins instead. If Satoshi had millions of Devcoins, or even billions, it just would not work because there is no reason to mine Devcoins when 90% of profits go to the developers. Ethicoin has the advantage here in that it's fairly distributed 50/50 which to me makes a lot of sense.

Actually i suspect it makes less sense.

I think it might make more sense to limit each group/category to 10%, not jsut the miners.

Like maybe 10% for miners, 10% for writers, 10% for coders, 10% for businesses, 10% for media presences (e.g. websites), 10% for hardware 9the chips and circuit boards and 3d printers and spaceships and so on), etc. not sure of 10 good categories offhand so maybe a few floating tithes, used to add focus to one or more of the categories at times when a specific category is temporarily needing more work than the others?

Half for merged-mining, half for everyone else seems way too miner-centric, but I guess that is why they don't plan to merged-mine: they are struggling to come up with the next major pump and dump coin so obviously need the miners to get lots of money fast and to get the lion's share, and merged mining would too clearly undercut the "importance" of the pump and dumpers er I mean miners...

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Mining at this time and probably into the future is the best way to actually distribute the coins and money initially. Without miners how exactly do you distribute coins / profits and how do you keep the hash rate up?

I don't know what is going to happen with Ethicoin, but I do agree that 50% for miners and 50% for everyone else is fair. I sense you just have a bias against miners but that is based on your emotional disgust at pump and dump coins. I don't admire pump and dump coins any more than you do, but I also recognize that mining is the best way to distribute coins initially. There could be better ways but right now mining is the best way to get Bitcoins or Litecoins or any other kind of coins. How else are you supposed to get some?


You're referring to speculation and savings, which are not the sole foundations of a currency.
I agree, but neither is credit and debt. I prefer speculating and saving over credit and debt and this is why I promote deflationary currencies like Bitcoin. We simply don't need big spending anymore in a world which is becoming so high tech but also too polluted and potentially over populated.
Facebook was free, Bitcoin is not. No comparison anyhow as amongst other things bitcoin is not claiming to be a fad.
How is Bitcoin not free? Anyone can send you some mBTC in a tip. It's not completely free because someone pays for it with electricity, but neither is Facebook. You pay for Facebook by giving up privacy which turns privacy into a commodity to be bought and sold for a price.
Don't mistake a network effect and the luxury of risks taken with existing wealth by an already comparitively wealthy subset, to the ability to shoehorn ordinary people from their hard-earned money. I'm not at all negative on cryptocurrencies in general, in fact I'm incredibly optimistic, only making the point that the winner will not be bitcoin as is.
Bitcoin is money, and what stops people from earning Bitcoin and not wanting to give up their hard earned Bitcoin money for fiat? The same dynamic can work in reverse where Bitcoin wealthy wont ever want to go back to fiat and will do everything in their power to grow Bitcoin and bait people into it. I think with enough sales, rebates, points, Bitcoin exclusive products, music, films, that over time people will have to go to Bitcoin for Bitcoin exclusive content.

That is why I'm all about content. The content is what attracts people to Facebook after Facebook became big and it's what keeps people there. Bitcoin will grow by network effect but also by exclusive content. Right now unfortunately that content is only stuff on Silk Road but in the future it will be many kinds of products and services which only make sense to buy with Bitcon which will force people to buy Bitcoins.

Right this is where we really part company. You would be absolutely correct, except you’re missing the pivotal point that any transaction requires two sides, including for Bitcoin. And to achieve any of the things you refer to beyond saving somebody is going to have to take the shitty side of a hoarded deflationary asset.
I don't know what you mean by the shitty side.  All you will have to do is work for Bitcoin instead of dollars and suddenly you have Bitcoins. You're telling me that I can't set up a website right now which streams movies only to people who pay in Bitcoins? The benefit of this streaming site is that it would be completely anonymous for the users which means by using Bitcoins they would achieve privacy. The benefit for me is that I'd get to host the site and make a profit charging a small fee for each stream or even a monthly fee similar to Netflix. You're telling me that people wont pay for multimedia? Of course they will, they already do. When you can see what you want to see streamed to you whenever you want to see it without a contract, without a name, without any strings attached, just pay the Bitcoin and presto, this alone would grow the market cap on both ends. The viewers would pay to see the films or amateur movies, the hosts would take their cut for streaming it, the film makers would get their cut to make it.
(a) Why and how any borrower or anyone on the shitty side of bitcoin credit would choose to borrow in bitcoins when they can instead elect to borrow in stable or inflationary currency.
I don't know what you mean by the "shitty side" of Bitcoin credit. Are you saying why would the Bitcoin have nots choose to borrow Bitcoins vs dollars? Maybe if you are poor you shouldn't be borrowing in the first place, but if you are going to borrow then it wont make a difference in the future if you borrow from coinlenders or from somewhere else.

I don't think we should encourage poor people to borrow though, even if they can make margin trades or go to coinlenders.

(b) If (a) is a problem, how the Bitcoin infrastructure persists without consistent interest in that side of the balance sheet

I don't understand what you're saying here.

(c) If you don’t think (a) is a problem, how Bitcoin would support both the asset and liability sides of transaction, borrowers and lenders, buying and selling with credit/upfront/assured future goods and services delivery etc.

I don't think (a) will be a problem because Ripple will solve the problem and OT may solve it also.

Yes there will be other coins. Bitcoin does not have to be a niche but it will be when it's quite a straightforward proposition to establish ones own blockchain, call it Wallmartcoin or VisaCoin or Devcoin etc with a foundation that better serves the needs of all users (i.e. that there are more of them).

Let them try. But when the majority of businesses accept Bitcoin it isn't going to work. The reason it wont work is because people today are becoming millionaires from Bitcoin and eventually there will be billionaires. These billionaires will control the cryptocurrency industry, not random newcomers with new coins. I'm saying the early adopters in Bitcoin will be established, organized, and will be the big players in the cryptocurrency industry and the little coins will have a very difficult time changing the landscape. The old guard will have benefited from the deflationary aspects of Bitcoin and you're not going to be able to change the minds of people who became billionaires because they bought thousands or mined tens of thousands of Bitcoins in 2010 or 2011. These people will own hundreds of ASICminer shares and will own stocks in many other companies as well and as the shareholders these individuals may decide they like the deflationary aspect.

What will make matters even worse for you is that people right now are following the same path, buying Bitcoins, learning to appreciate the deflationary aspects of it, and in 2016 these people could be millionaires as well. What will happen is journalists are going to start interviewing more and more Bitcoin millionaires and billionaires and do you think these people who grew up poor or working class and through Bitcoin became rich are going to decide suddenly that Bitcoin has a flawed design? It never happens. And people who get in at 2016 will see what happened for people who got in at 2013, or 2011, or 2010, and they'll choose Bitcoin merely because by choosing Bitcoin they'll be better off.

I don't think anything can stop that trend from happening except making Bitcoin illegal. if Bitcoin is legal and people start becoming millionaires and billionaires overnight, then there can be other more stable coins, coins with better technology, stuff like Ripple with establishment support, but ultimately a billion dollars is cooler than a million. A thousand is cooler than a hundred. A hundred is cooler than ten. Ten is cooler than one.
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June 12, 2013, 02:00:23 PM
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i read a mention earlier that we need people to buy things with devcoin, and was tempted to point out right there that actually a lot seems to depend on WHAT people buy, or maybe on WHERE/HOW they buy it.

I don't see how it is relevant. What matters is supply and demand, and for trading it means how much time coins spend in wallets of merchants and their customers. Higher velocity means lower demand.

So if you want a boost to market cap, you need a kind of a project which freezes coins it gets... A perfect example would be a kind of forum which requires you to destroy some amount of Devcoins to prove that you aren't a scammer.

It is possible to approach this on cryptocurrency design level: since permainflationary alt-coins like Devcoin do not depend on fees, you can make it so fees are destroyed when transaction is made.

Higher number of transaction means that that more devcoins are destroyed... And if there is some trade, in the long term you get a situation where amount of coins which are mined approximately equals to amount which is destroyed.

Then, say, if you make transaction fee equal to 1% of transaction, you get 1% of total trading volume in economy for bounties and miners.

Freicoin's demurrage does something similar, but they got it backwards: currently they starve miners through obligatory donations to foundation, but in a long run miners will get 5% of total trade volume, which is just insane if total trading volume is high. (And foundation gets nothing.) It shouldn't be called Freicoin, it should be called MinerCoin.


This is exactly one of the solutions I mentioned in a previous post on here. I asked why can't Devcoins be destroyed via a Freicoin style demurrage to cap the rate of inflation and people flamed me for it. They hated the idea of destroying Devcoins for any reason but I do think this solution has a chance to work and should be implemented robustly.
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June 12, 2013, 02:18:02 PM
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One of the writers on devtome, Wiser, posted this article outlining their experience and ideas for the project. I think it's definitely worth a read and some thinking through:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=on_writing_and_market_forces

I just realized I need to add a section about number of words rewarded per month.  I will post it once I do.

Also, I know I am missing details about how shares are divided up.  If anyone has an article which clarifies that and is more accurate, please pm me and I will link to it  Smiley

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June 12, 2013, 02:46:51 PM
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My brother died this past week, and we are starting a foundation. We want to do a few things.

1. Aware people that allergies are way more serious than they seem to be (packages need to be labeled like cigarettes, ex: "This product can kill you or your child if ingested", and possibly a big red "P" on any peanut product bag.

2. Do some charitable things in his name, such as clean highways, give scholarships, make baseballs (he was 11 and it was his favorite sport), make tributes (Mason Town, Songs, etc) and other nice things.

I would like to make donations possible in Devcoin, and I would like to get the support of the Devcoin community in starting this project. Not through donations (unless you have some extra DVC, a wallet will be created for this purpose over the next few weeks) but through sharing the word, and maybe posting on a thread when I make one later to this same effect.

Thank you for any support, I will post more information here.

Sorry for the LOSS.

I am from India and I can conduct any Charitable programs on behalf of you. So let me know what you are going to do with charity.

Thank you very much, I will definitely keep you posted.

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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

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June 12, 2013, 02:49:37 PM
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I think it might make more sense to limit each group/category to 10%, not just the miners.

Yes. Perhaps like this:

1. Number of shares for each category is limited.
2. Each category has its own person (or several) responsible for bounty allocation.
3. That person should periodically report what bounties were allocated and what tangible results were achieved. Preferably with statistics.
4. If category eats through all shares allocated to it, bounties should be made smaller, or request can be made to increase limit of shares. But in that case request should provide some justification (e.g. explain how it helps to grow market cap) and maybe people (other category managers?) should vote on it.

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Edit: Finshaggy, are you in contact with that mon corpus or whatever, a pretty face never hurts with gaining public attention.

Yeah, I can get a hold of her.

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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

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Closed source software like games? Yeah that brings a lot of users and money. Open source software on the other hand does not.

Oh, you should tell that to id software. They made code of popular games like Doom and Quake open source. I guess they get no money.

It is even easier for online games: everything can be open source, but somebody needs to run server. The original developers will likely know how to do it in the best way.

Devcoin promotes free software and for this reason will have the same difficulty getting revenue from programming that it has from writing.

Do not talk about things you do not understand, OK? There are many companies with market cap measured in billions who offer free software.

Venture capitalists don't invest in small scale software projects that could be funded by Devtome.

They do, you just have no idea how it works. I work for a software startup, FYI, and I know a bit or two about this.



Count me in!  I would love to be part of the gaming startup with Devcoin

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June 12, 2013, 02:54:33 PM
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One of the writers on devtome, Wiser, posted this article outlining their experience and ideas for the project. I think it's definitely worth a read and some thinking through:  http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=on_writing_and_market_forces

Nice article, indeed.

I gotta clarify one point, though: programmers simply do not get same kind of a deal as writers do. 90% of share pool is supposed to be allocated for writers on devtome.

You can't just get devcoins for your open source code, there are only bounties for concrete things (e.g. devcoin software) and for software projects which meet certain eligibility criteria.

For example, I contribute to some Bitcoin-related open source project. It is hard to judge significance, but let's say bitcointalk thread about it was read 16084 times, and my posts on reddit informing about progress got ~100 upvotes. Here's my github account which shows contributions: https://github.com/killerstorm/

But I've been told that software I write is not eligible so I cannot get any devcoins for my code.

I really do not care much about it because I got some money from sponsors, I just mentioned it to note that programmers are not complaining about shrinking share... They never had a share to begin with. (Well, some people receive shares for Bitcoin software but they already received lots of devcoins so I doubt they will complain.)

The only thing which bothers me is long-term viability of Devcoin, I really wish this project best of luck, and everything I wrote are just observations from an external observer.

Here's a list of programmers who receive devcoin shares:

https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/bitcoinshare.html

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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

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June 12, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated

***STOP BTCITCOINTALK.ORG CENSORSHIP!!!***http://investorshub.advfn.com/$THE-CRYPTOCURRENCY-FORUM-26758/
BTCitcointalk 1%ers manipulate the currency and deceive its user community! http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/register.asp?c=bcoinfbpmbBTCRING FACTS!:BTCe mature&respect the research that is done regardless of what you think of it!~KEYSER S0ZA
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June 12, 2013, 02:59:16 PM
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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

so now posting PMs is cool? ~ you are going to JAIL!!!!

***STOP BTCITCOINTALK.ORG CENSORSHIP!!!***http://investorshub.advfn.com/$THE-CRYPTOCURRENCY-FORUM-26758/
BTCitcointalk 1%ers manipulate the currency and deceive its user community! http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/register.asp?c=bcoinfbpmbBTCRING FACTS!:BTCe mature&respect the research that is done regardless of what you think of it!~KEYSER S0ZA
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June 12, 2013, 02:59:29 PM
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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated

All I hear is "I'm a troll and I don't have a legitimate response to that"

If everyone is thinking outside the box, there is a new box.
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June 12, 2013, 03:00:18 PM
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Notabot, I can't find your post, it disappeared.

At any rate, good catch.  On one hand maybe its the same guy as 8 minutes apart is a bit fishy, especially for 3 names with similar opinions.

I honestly think it's trolls stalking me. They heard I'm writing for devcoins, all three made accounts real quick, then got as far up my ass as fast as they could before I figured out who they were.

stop spreading lies >> back it up with FACTS!!!!

How bout the FACT that you are a troll
And the FACT that you all got accounts the same day I replied to a thread about bitcoins on trollitup (rollitup.org). In which I stated I was getting paid for writing...
And the fact that you said you were smoking a fatty for my brother, and most of my trolls come from a stoner site.
And the fact that you said you live around Goldyn

You are probably a troll that is friends with a rally person, or a troll that is friends with a Pueblo person. OR you are just one of those people, and I am wrong in assuming you have any friends.

Prove you got paid! ~ no one believes you ~personal attacks will not be tolerated

All I hear is "I'm a troll and I don't have a legitimate response to that"

you are a troll?

***STOP BTCITCOINTALK.ORG CENSORSHIP!!!***http://investorshub.advfn.com/$THE-CRYPTOCURRENCY-FORUM-26758/
BTCitcointalk 1%ers manipulate the currency and deceive its user community! http://www.mediabistro.com/insidebitcoins/register.asp?c=bcoinfbpmbBTCRING FACTS!:BTCe mature&respect the research that is done regardless of what you think of it!~KEYSER S0ZA
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