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May 18, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
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Vlad, markm's looking at DVC/BTC you're looking at DVC/USD. While (imo) it is correct to look at the value vs $ or £ or whatever (and i see a lot of trends/trades that make little sense when viewed against fiat rather than btc) most trade vs BTC. For example, right now the bid/offer in DVC/BTC translates to 0.00019/0.000212 in dollar terms, ignoring transaction fees. For now there's not much liquidity in trading most alts vs dollars so you'll be lucky to get decent prices, in fact this is one of the current barriers to better alt take-up.

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someone else mentioned something about a ripple wallet for devcoins.

I just opened a ripple account (looks like another smooth coinbase like beta future exchange site, the smart money is seeing something here) and they also gave me 1 wallet number which starts with r which I'm guessing is for ripple.

what I wanna know is can I use (finally) this 1 wallet number for all my various coins?  can I use it to receive coins?  I guess I can send myself some devcoins to see if it works. 

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someone else mentioned something about a ripple wallet for devcoins.

I just opened a ripple account (looks like another smooth coinbase like beta future exchange site, the smart money is seeing something here) and they also gave me 1 wallet number which starts with r which I'm guessing is for ripple.

what I wanna know is can I use (finally) this 1 wallet number for all my various coins?  can I use it to receive coins?  I guess I can send myself some devcoins to see if it works. 

that's awesome.  I just now opened a ripple account.  how did you get the xrp coins?  what's their value, cause I've never heard of them. TIA

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May 18, 2013, 02:29:33 PM
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Vlad, markm's looking at DVC/BTC you're looking at DVC/USD. While (imo) it is correct to look at the value vs $ or £ or whatever (and i see a lot of trends/trades that make little sense when viewed against fiat rather than btc) most trade vs BTC. For example, right now the bid/offer in DVC/BTC translates to 0.00019/0.000212 in dollar terms, ignoring transaction fees. For now there's not much liquidity in trading most alts vs dollars so you'll be lucky to get decent prices, in fact this is one of the current barriers to better alt take-up.

that's confusing me a bit.  are you saying it's cheaper to buy devcoins in dollars versus say BTC?  riskless arbitrage would fix that problem in a matter of minutes if that was the case but then again who's looking for arbitrage opportunities on these illiquid sites so early on. 

I don't have any BTC so I simply buy any of the coins I want the old fashioned way like my grandparents used to do, using dollars.  oh no, it has already started.

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and who's emfox, how did you get 10,000 dvc from them?  I opened a ripple account 15 minutes ago but for some weird reason it still say offline in black in the upper right hand side.

but i'm online so I don't know what's up.  I'm typing on a laptop and the ripple account is opened on an ipad so maybe that's the issue.  but compared to vircurex these new exchange sites popping up, first coinbase and now ripple are simply light years ahead.  I feel bad cause vircurex was there first but it looks like the guys with millions want their own sandbox(es).  and this is only the beginning.

You know what they say - follow the smart money.  well, for once I've made the right moves before the smart money and boy does it feel good.  these guys with billions didn't see it coming and only now and only a few are strting to get the picture and theyre putting millions to work.  and soon, I hope, they'll put those millions into things like 1 super secure wallet app and super secure exchange site with every coin out there for sale or trade and an easy to use mining program for free or for a small fee.  the market is there so hopefully these guys will move swiftly.

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Bitstamp.net

what?

I just saw your post where you transferred 10K DVC into ripple.  that's awesome, I'm gonna try to transfer like 50 coins from my home computer to see if it works.  it would be great to have such better sites with secure wallets to help spread the risk.  I hate having most of my coins in one exchange or even at home.  I'd rather have them with 5 different exchanges and the rest on a cold drive.

I still don't get what you're saying about bitstamp.net.  are you talking about people buying bitstamps and then using that to buy devcoins?  I had to buy voucherX(USD) to be able to buy devcoins.  it sucks, cauee it's $60 just in wiring fees.  That's a rippoff when sites like coinbase hook up your checking account instantly.   man I can't wait for them to start trading devcoins and the rest.

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May 18, 2013, 02:51:56 PM
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I just tried to transfer 100 devcoins from vircures to the ripple address (starting with r) and it said invalid devcoin address so I don't know how you were able to transfer to ripple.

I tried to transfer from my home computer but the client I have installed which I installed from devtome just 10 days ago doesn't even have an option to send coins.  so how exactly do I sell the coins from this computer using this wallet in the future?  Am I just too tired cause I looked twice and there's only receive and sent, as in past tense.  there's no option or tab for send.  and I checked the 2 dropdown menus and there's no send option.  I would really like to put some of my coins in ripple kind of as a spread risk safe keeping thing.

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Nice point of you
Not to increase the security, but spread the risk. It's true. Everything is at your own risk. Only the time will tell who is gonna be the next bitcoin, even if I am afraid to know already the answer.

What's you guess?  Just instinctive feeling?  Sometimes that instinct knows more than a PhD.  Thanks for sharing. 

In my opinion I feel very strongly about Namecoin and Devcoin but I honestly don't know why and I felt like this the first 5 minutes after I read up on bitcoin and my feeling hasn't changed although I feel stronger about devcoin now than I did even at first.

which coin is your first pick and do you know why?  what about 2nd pick?  TIA

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May 18, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
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Check the emfox post a few pages back and follow the instruction. Remember that vircurex charge you 100 dvc fee

ok.  I saw that but I figure 100 DVC is like 1 cent so compared to the $50 banksters charge I was shocked in a good way.  don't worry, banksters will hijack this entire market once it's obvious it's here to stay.

So what's your first and second pick for the next bitcoin explosive coin?  And why if you have any real reason although instinct is good enough.  We should start a thread to see what people's instinct says about what the next big coin will be but try to not let confirmation bias cloud your feelings and contaminate your instinct.

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May 18, 2013, 03:10:03 PM
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So maybe this is a blessing in disquise, since most writers etc probably earn coins to immediately sell them then maybe there will be less people competing for round 24.




Devcoin/Devtome is getting its own forum sections, faucets, YouTube videos, blog articles and more soon... So I wouldn't count on ^that^. BUT, the smaller shares get and the more widespread coins get, the more valuable they become Smiley

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May 18, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
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how many dev coins are out there in total?

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May 18, 2013, 03:16:11 PM
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how many dev coins are out there in total?

180,000,000 + 10% per round. 22 rounds.

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May 18, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
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Vlad, markm's looking at DVC/BTC you're looking at DVC/USD. While (imo) it is correct to look at the value vs $ or £ or whatever (and i see a lot of trends/trades that make little sense when viewed against fiat rather than btc) most trade vs BTC. For example, right now the bid/offer in DVC/BTC translates to 0.00019/0.000212 in dollar terms, ignoring transaction fees. For now there's not much liquidity in trading most alts vs dollars so you'll be lucky to get decent prices, in fact this is one of the current barriers to better alt take-up.

that's confusing me a bit.  are you saying it's cheaper to buy devcoins in dollars versus say BTC?  riskless arbitrage would fix that problem in a matter of minutes if that was the case but then again who's looking for arbitrage opportunities on these illiquid sites so early on. 

I don't have any BTC so I simply buy any of the coins I want the old fashioned way like my grandparents used to do, using dollars.  oh no, it has already started.
It's not that it's necessarily cheaper, but that if/when you're looking to buy you should go for the cheapest option at any time. 'Cheapest' has to incorporate transaction fees but also liquidity i.e. there's no point sitting on the best bid in dvc/usd if nobody wantes to sell you dvc for dollars.

Usually with currency exchange, you should look at minimum of three cross rates - e.g. let's say you were interested in trading the gbp/usd rate. You could just buy or sell gbp/usd but then that's a pure punt. To be able to make any informed view you have to introduce at least one more currency, so you'd look at gbp/usd, eur/usd and eur/gbp - that way it becomes an issue of relative value. Now in the real world there's pretty much zero mispricing opportunity between those 3 currencies - no arbitrage as you say. Wih cryptocurrencies however there's a lot of mispricing, but as yet little opportunity to exploit this as liquidity is rubbish.

So the tl;dr version is, if you just want to buy and hold devcoin, find the cheapest way of buying it. If you want to trade devcoin or any other crypto try to assess the relative value of one way of buying it vs others.

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May 18, 2013, 04:09:50 PM
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So maybe this is a blessing in disquise, since most writers etc probably earn coins to immediately sell them then maybe there will be less people competing for round 24.




Devcoin/Devtome is getting its own forum sections, faucets, YouTube videos, blog articles and more soon... So I wouldn't count on ^that^. BUT, the smaller shares get and the more widespread coins get, the more valuable they become Smiley

bummer.  I wish I had found devtome just one month sooner.  maybe this is why I've had this inate feeling that I only have 1 maybe 2 months to really earn coins on devtome.  Well, I only had 3 days for round 23 and I did the most I could staying up all night each night writing and now for round 24, presuming the popularity will only increase and each share will be worth much less and the following round even more so I'm now writing 12 hours per night, and it's harder than I thought as some night I spend hours spacing out trying to get a single sentence to flow while other nights pages flow out in a single hour. 

I wrote like a 25 page paper on my life story as a child in the eastern block (double spaced 25 pages) and I thought, boy, if I can write a full blown 30 page research paper in 12 hours I can probably blow through this thing 25 pages and all in 2 hours and I was schocked it took me 8 hours.  I mean you're just telling a story about yourself but there's tiny details that you stop and think about and if a paragraph doesn't sound right you rewrite it and so on - before you know it the entire night is gone.

So even though I wrote tons of papers in college it was usually one or two per term so I never fully realized how hard it is to really be a "writer" to write every day, even when you don't feel like it but I have such a burning sense of urgency and I think it's a real feeling that this, something this good, will simply not last and it's already starting to look like my feelings were right.

In that case I should try to put more money in buying these coins, especially at .00022.  that's a joke and these exchanges are so inefficient and even a well diluted coin like devcoin has no liquidity that there will be times when a coin's selling price will be off by entire factors which is when you buy buy buy.  lol, inefficiencies like this don't exist in the stock market.

for the next 1 year, maybe 2 max, until the banks and smart money take over and demand levels off, I predict that a normal person who works hard to mine or earn coins or takes some risk and buys some coins and has the patience to wait to sell them when the awareness and demand spikes and doesn't sell for a "quick double" which is nothing in this new market especially at this stage then I predict it will be easier than at any other time in history to become a millionaire. 

this is all just instinct based off 20 years of active stock market participation (on a personal level not professional) and coupled with the education I have which is also oriented toward the same thing (BS in econ and BS in finance).

Even if I'm right by just a fraction, making a few hundred K will prove to be an easy thing.  It's important to not go for the head fake, the first wave of awareness, excitement as that will just be the beginning and many inexperienced or risk averse people and I predict a large portion of all coin holders will sell most if not all their coins once they see a multiple gain of 300 or 400% and what they consider "real" money in their everyday lives which could be as little as $10K which is not real money by any stretech of the imagination and I'm unemployed right now and don't have $10K in savings cause I had to spend it all on living expense s all this time while I haven't found work and went back to school.

so getting the coins is only half the battle, knwing when to sell is the other half. good luck.

oh quick question.  sseems you know a lot about devcoin's future:  will there be profit shareing like dividend in stocks?  if so how will that work and when will that start to yield some sort of dividend.  This is an entirely new business model, and if it works it will change so much....a currency that works for you instead of it sitting and losing value or sitting in a bank vault or making the banksters rich.  absolutey brilliant and new idea.  and I predict it will work cause the engine is the masses and because the shareholders and benefactors are also the masses it should catch fire like nothing else out there once people get it.  It's a true coin by the people for the people.  it's so good it's scary like where's the hidden dangers?  Like communism only this looks like it actually works.lol

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May 18, 2013, 04:14:24 PM
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how many dev coins are out there in total?

180,000,000 + 10% per round. 22 rounds.

Off the top of my head I predicted 5 billion and it looks about right.

compared to the trillions and trillions of dollars it's not much and if devcoin's business plan starts to work they can buy coins off the exchanges and retire them like shares in a company.  and given there's such few coins, about 6 with a decent reputatioin, once awareness spikes 5 billion, given the poor liquidity at all the exchanges, will spike the price very much and very fast.  most holders of these coins have them on their hard drives not sitting at an exchange so it will take a few weeks for the supply to get where it should be and by then I predict an incredible surge in the price should the demand and awareness spike the way I think it will.  for once market inefficiencies will be a good thing for the regular guy cause in the stock market the banks always know what's gonna happen way before you and me and that's why it's nearly impossible to make good money in stocks.  With the banks out of this for now it feels infinitively easier to make money......well, not just yet but it's only been 30 days for me.  lol

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May 18, 2013, 04:21:36 PM
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I've got a new idea I think it can be very useful.
What about adding a rating system to devtome pages that let the users rate the pages' quality? And based on the rates, the word count bounties will be payed if there is more than X votes. (Like: 5/5: 1.3*Word Count, 4/5: 1.1*Word Count, 3/5: 1*Word Count, 2/5: 0.9*Word Count, 1/5: 0.7*Word Count). That should make writers to do always interesting and quality articles.

Also, there can be a bounty for the voters, like giving X devcoins to a user the first time he votes, or the first time every month, or something like that.

What do you think?

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So maybe this is a blessing in disquise, since most writers etc probably earn coins to immediately sell them then maybe there will be less people competing for round 24.




Devcoin/Devtome is getting its own forum sections, faucets, YouTube videos, blog articles and more soon... So I wouldn't count on ^that^. BUT, the smaller shares get and the more widespread coins get, the more valuable they become Smiley

bummer.  I wish I had found devtome just one month sooner.  maybe this is why I've had this inate feeling that I only have 1 maybe 2 months to really earn coins on devtome.  Well, I only had 3 days for round 23 and I did the most I could staying up all night each night writing and now for round 24, presuming the popularity will only increase and each share will be worth much less and the following round even more so I'm now writing 12 hours per night, and it's harder than I thought as some night I spend hours spacing out trying to get a single sentence to flow while other nights pages flow out in a single hour. 

I wrote like a 25 page paper on my life story as a child in the eastern block (double spaced 25 pages) and I thought, boy, if I can write a full blown 30 page research paper in 12 hours I can probably blow through this thing 25 pages and all in 2 hours and I was schocked it took me 8 hours.  I mean you're just telling a story about yourself but there's tiny details that you stop and think about and if a paragraph doesn't sound right you rewrite it and so on - before you know it the entire night is gone.

So even though I wrote tons of papers in college it was usually one or two per term so I never fully realized how hard it is to really be a "writer" to write every day, even when you don't feel like it but I have such a burning sense of urgency and I think it's a real feeling that this, something this good, will simply not last and it's already starting to look like my feelings were right.

In that case I should try to put more money in buying these coins, especially at .00022.  that's a joke and these exchanges are so inefficient and even a well diluted coin like devcoin has no liquidity that there will be times when a coin's selling price will be off by entire factors which is when you buy buy buy.  lol, inefficiencies like this don't exist in the stock market.

for the next 1 year, maybe 2 max, until the banks and smart money take over and demand levels off, I predict that a normal person who works hard to mine or earn coins or takes some risk and buys some coins and has the patience to wait to sell them when the awareness and demand spikes and doesn't sell for a "quick double" which is nothing in this new market especially at this stage then I predict it will be easier than at any other time in history to become a millionaire. 

this is all just instinct based off 20 years of active stock market participation (on a personal level not professional) and coupled with the education I have which is also oriented toward the same thing (BS in econ and BS in finance).

Even if I'm right by just a fraction, making a few hundred K will prove to be an easy thing.  It's important to not go for the head fake, the first wave of awareness, excitement as that will just be the beginning and many inexperienced or risk averse people and I predict a large portion of all coin holders will sell most if not all their coins once they see a multiple gain of 300 or 400% and what they consider "real" money in their everyday lives which could be as little as $10K which is not real money by any stretech of the imagination and I'm unemployed right now and don't have $10K in savings cause I had to spend it all on living expense s all this time while I haven't found work and went back to school.

so getting the coins is only half the battle, knwing when to sell is the other half. good luck.

oh quick question.  sseems you know a lot about devcoin's future:  will there be profit shareing like dividend in stocks?  if so how will that work and when will that start to yield some sort of dividend.  This is an entirely new business model, and if it works it will change so much....a currency that works for you instead of it sitting and losing value or sitting in a bank vault or making the banksters rich.  absolutey brilliant and new idea.  and I predict it will work cause the engine is the masses and because the shareholders and benefactors are also the masses it should catch fire like nothing else out there once people get it.  It's a true coin by the people for the people.  it's so good it's scary like where's the hidden dangers?  Like communism only this looks like it actually works.lol

You have more than 2 months to earn. I just discovered Devtome this last round as well, but I had like 2 weeks.
It does take a long time to write, but you can also drive traffic to your stuff to earn. And the coins WILL be going up in value. Each share was like $25-75 this round, and that is already more than anyone should be getting paid to write 1,000 words.

Writing may seem hard, but if you go to jail or some other lock down facility to a long time, it makes writing easier and it makes you use your words to say more important things. So... Maybe, try to find your jail. What makes you feel like you have no voice. Go there, and inspiration should come.

Buying coins isn't a bad idea, but if you have mining equipment that would probably be the best way to go. And just writing an trading. If you earn say 5 million coins and sell 3 million regular price, then buy 1 million at top dollar, you stimulate the DVC economy, thus raising the value of the 2,000,000 coins you already have left over.

All your projections about people selling at 300-400% will probably be how it does play out. And I bet it is the easiest time ever to become a millionaire, but problem is, do you cash out or does that get taxed

I am not exactly sure what a stock dividend is. But yes, it should work to make money for anyone 'invested" in it (anyone with coins). And you will always have to sell your coins to make oney. The only risk is that DVC may not reach the developmental goals of the bounties, and will lose value. But as long as we work to get more and more attention to devcoin and its projects, everything should be fine.

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I've got a new idea I think it can be very useful.
What about adding a rating system to devtome pages that let the users rate the pages' quality? And based on the rates, the word count bounties will be payed if there is more than X votes. (Like: 5/5: 1.3*Word Count, 4/5: 1.1*Word Count, 3/5: 1*Word Count, 2/5: 0.9*Word Count, 1/5: 0.7*Word Count). That should make writers to do always interesting and quality articles.

Also, there can be a bounty for the voters, like giving X devcoins to a user the first time he votes, or the first time every month, or something like that.

What do you think?

I write political stuff, and religious stuff. If people don't agree with me I would get bad ratings, that wouldn't be cool. And most of the stuff I write isn't from the bible, which is the stuff most people don't agree with. (mostly hindu and greek stuff)

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I've got a new idea I think it can be very useful.
What about adding a rating system to devtome pages that let the users rate the pages' quality? And based on the rates, the word count bounties will be payed if there is more than X votes. (Like: 5/5: 1.3*Word Count, 4/5: 1.1*Word Count, 3/5: 1*Word Count, 2/5: 0.9*Word Count, 1/5: 0.7*Word Count). That should make writers to do always interesting and quality articles.

Also, there can be a bounty for the voters, like giving X devcoins to a user the first time he votes, or the first time every month, or something like that.

What do you think?

I write political stuff, and religious stuff. If people don't agree with me I would get bad ratings, that wouldn't be cool.

Well, what the user has to rate is the quality of the article itself, not if their ideas are similar. Anyway, in these kind of subjective articles, maybe it'd be nice to add another rating sistem to vote how agree are them.

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I've got a new idea I think it can be very useful.
What about adding a rating system to devtome pages that let the users rate the pages' quality? And based on the rates, the word count bounties will be payed if there is more than X votes. (Like: 5/5: 1.3*Word Count, 4/5: 1.1*Word Count, 3/5: 1*Word Count, 2/5: 0.9*Word Count, 1/5: 0.7*Word Count). That should make writers to do always interesting and quality articles.

Also, there can be a bounty for the voters, like giving X devcoins to a user the first time he votes, or the first time every month, or something like that.

What do you think?

I write political stuff, and religious stuff. If people don't agree with me I would get bad ratings, that wouldn't be cool.

Well, what the user has to rate is the quality of the article itself, not if their ideas are similar. Anyway, in these kind of subjective articles, maybe it'd be nice to add another rating sistem to vote how agree are them.

I'm pretty sure people judge how much they enjoyed reading something by how much relevance it had to their perspective of what life is. So any writing system would turn into an agreement system. Having stars or a like button, either way people are using the same thoughts to make the decision.

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Christian music isn't good, they just listen to it because it is their alternative.

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