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May 26, 2013, 06:38:31 PM
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I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever.

Good point about changing the article links. The addresses on the user page are just a check, the addresses the script uses are in the file:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_23.csv

I'll add a check that the articles linked to must be written by the user. In the future, it would be good if the user pages could only be edited by the user.

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May 26, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
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3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.



Are you kidding?  I've read up so much on visas trying to find a way to bring him here just for a few months to visit but I have never heard of that.  He's no porn star and he doesn't have college.  He's a carpenter journeyman.  He can do pretty much any kind of interior type of work on the type of houses and buildings they have there....cement and rebar buildings.  I wonder if there's something extraordinary about that.  

If not he can just get his carrot wet on some cheezy homemade video and he's good to go.

Where in the world do you get this stuff from....Don?



If he started making YouTube videos and got a fair amount of American followers, I'm sure he could get a visa, as long as he has plans to teach people stuff, or do a special job for someone.

I get it from reading and being in jail. There are tons of people LYING about shit in jail, but you can tell when someone is a real motherfucker and is really just talking about things that have happened. And you can learn a lot from other people's mistakes and doings.

Plus being in jail is like a vow of silence. When you get back into the world, everything is extraordinary and you use your time more wisely.

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May 26, 2013, 09:32:34 PM
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Got a request today in irc for 32 bit linux builds....   so

devcoin-linux-32.bz2
devcoind-linux-32.bz2

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May 26, 2013, 09:49:30 PM
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Got a request today in irc for 32 bit linux builds....   so

devcoin-linux-32.bz2
devcoind-linux-32.bz2


...People still use 32 bit OS's? This isn't the 90's anymore!

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May 27, 2013, 12:12:21 AM
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I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

1. Charities are ok but these guys you can give them literally like 1/3 of a share for the same work a programmer would do here.  They have the computers to work on but not the $2,000 rigs to mine with.  There won't be many miners there.  Even .25% so 1/4 of a share for programming work would be great as programmers there if you're lucky to find a job and most don't make between $300 and max $500 per month.  

I met tons of Romanian engineers, programmers, lawyers with no jobs working as waiters for $150 per month.

2. Romania can definitely be the place where you find tons of programmers and hackers to do your work without severely diluting the shares because if we're going global this will grow faster than exponential, could be closer to logarithmic growth for the first couple years which means each share will shrink to something much much smaller which may then cause the loss of talent here.  So lets keep the cost of living in mind and average wage for that country.  In Romania the average apt rents for $100.  So they do get by with $300-$500 per month.

3. As for work visas.  Good luck.  I've been trying to get my bro-in-law here for 7 years. No go. It has to be a field the US needs workers for but then they're likely to go work there and not here for you. They can do the programming work from there as they have the necessary tools.  Romanians are very clever, they're known as the thieves of Europe. Caution.

1. That's cool, I am saying I can give them jobs with those charities that pay better than Romanian jobs.

2. Again, cool Smiley

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

Spoken (and thought out) like a real 'murican!
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May 27, 2013, 05:06:54 AM
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In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

BTW as I can't find it readily - can some one please confirm when the next block count that ends the round is? As the last round was extended is there a page or spreadsheet somewhere that has the future (or next) round end, and payout starting dates?

Thanks

That's exactly what I did today in case something happens.  I think its block 93,000. Give or take 500.  So like 2 weeks, maybe a little longer.  Good luck.

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May 27, 2013, 07:03:43 AM
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In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

Pages can easily be restored to a previous version, that is not the problem. The real problem is, that if the payment/counting script picks up wrong data and the payments go out, there is no way to get the coins back, even if you later revert the vandalism.

By the way, is there a place to see up-to-date counts and share distribution for the current round? I thought http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_earnings_24.csv would be what I was looking for, but it doesn't have any current data, even if it is updated daily according to the file date. Is the script working correctly?
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May 27, 2013, 07:06:03 AM
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In regards to locking writers link's pages, I would suggest that everyone keep a copy of their writing for each page in a text or word document in case a page become deleted. I save mine to word documents (I can make the text bigger for my eyes when editing) to ensure I don't lose any work.

If a page was accidentally deleted I am not sure it can be retrieved. If a page is edited and all the text removed and then saved, the page is gone.

Pages can easily be restored to a previous version, that is not the problem. The real problem is, that if the payment/counting script picks up wrong data and the payments go out, there is no way to get the coins back, even if you later revert the vandalism.

By the way, is there a place to see up-to-date counts and share distribution for the current round? I thought http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_earnings_24.csv would be what I was looking for, but it doesn't have any current data, even if it is updated daily according to the file date. Is the script working correctly?

If anyone has a script or a plugin they have found that will achieve what you are talking about without locking every thread to that specific user then please post it. I have hunted and not found one yet.

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May 27, 2013, 07:41:07 AM
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So, what is the maximum number of DVC ever to be mined (like 20 million for BTC) ? I searched for the answer, but it seems confusing. The official sites say that it is 21 billion (1000X number of BTC), but now I hear it is unlimited - is that true ? Did the software get changed sometime after first release ?

The maximum number of coins in any one wallet or address or in general any arithmetic/total, but coins will keep getting created, 50,000 per block, forever. So some century or other maybe larger than 64 bit integers will have to start being use if more than 21 billion ever need to be added up in any one arithmetic operation.

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Are you saying the limit is not 21 billion total, and it is unlimited ? Is there a document which says that ? The source code seems to indicate 21 billion total ever to be produced.

No, the source code indicates no individual variable containing a count of coins can count up to more than 21 billion.

Nowhere does the code add up all coins ever minted, it only adds up wallet, "account" and address totals. So as long as no individual wallet, "account" or address has more than 21 billion there could be billions of times that many coins total. It would just eventually need larger integers at some point if someone did try to add up all the coins in the entire blockchain.

Search for "subsidy" in main.cpp, it just does 50,000 coins per block forever, there is no halving and there is no block at which it stops minting.

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Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?
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May 27, 2013, 09:54:04 AM
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Listed in order of seniority, FinShaggy, Metazilla, Emfox and Weisoq did a lot. I looked over their posts and saw that they were helpful and polite, so they were asked to be administrators. Besides the option of maintaining a receiver file, each administrator does one task. The following choices were given:

1) Promoter.
2) Awarding the tiny (fraction of a share) bounties, and checking that paid maintenance work is being done.
3) Helping people install devcoin on Linux, making binaries for major Linux distributions, and when possible, packages.
4) Investor relations. Charting the growth in words and page views. When we have advertising revenue, determine the net present value of writing a devtome article and chart the growth in revenue.
5) Signing up writers, along with Fuzzy Bear and any other signing administrators. The work would be split according to the writers' name, for example if there were two, the first signing administrator would handle A-K, and the second L-Z.
6) Handling the bitcoin share and devcoin share list.
7) Make up your own job.

FinShaggy chose promoter, Metazilla chose the share lists, Emfox chose Linux, and Weisoq chose to sign up writers. They'll all get the 1 to 4 shares ongoing for administration work.


Just wanted to say congratulations to the new admins, nice little team we got going here Cheesy


Got a request today in irc for 32 bit linux builds....   so

devcoin-linux-32.bz2
devcoind-linux-32.bz2


sheesh twobit your constantly working and producing excellent binaries and making devcoin accessible to more people, was there any remaining bounties for these builds? i'd like to see the programmers encouraged and rewarded as much as the writers have been for their work of late.  I have added these builds to the page http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=how_to_get_setup_earning_devcoins_by_writing

Also added the link to the ICR in there to so expect to see more people on the ICR Smiley

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May 27, 2013, 01:49:59 PM
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Hello,

It has been brought to my attention that http://devcoin.org/ is linking people to the old windows bundle and download, not the really good uptodate current ones that twobit has done.

These NEED to be changed as a matter of urgency as devcoin has taken off and everyone needs to be using the one click install clients that twobits has spent much time doing so well.

Many thanks

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May 27, 2013, 01:57:36 PM
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His is the "experimental"? I can add it now but that word may be the wrong choice of phrase. Maybe beta will be better (I didnt know it was being distributed widely yet)  but if everyone is happy with it, it will be up soon.

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May 27, 2013, 02:01:54 PM
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Hello,

It has been brought to my attention that http://devcoin.org/ is linking people to the old windows bundle and download, not the really good uptodate current ones that twobit has done.

These NEED to be changed as a matter of urgency as devcoin has taken off and everyone needs to be using the one click install clients that twobits has spent much time doing so well.

Many thanks

FuzzyBear

Which one should be used now? The one I have is from December 4th, 2012. It is 0.3.24-BETA and still has the "Bitcoin" logo, name in the title bar and name in the "Information" popup.

I'm on Windows and just downloaded this a few days ago.

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May 27, 2013, 03:37:56 PM
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Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?

21 Billion is the cap on a WALLET, when me and the other people were discussing it on the other thread we were mistaken.
You can find out how many coins are out by looking at the Block explorer Smiley

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May 27, 2013, 03:45:37 PM
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Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?

21 Billion is the cap on a WALLET, when me and the other people were discussing it on the other thread we were mistaken.
You can find out how many coins are out by looking at the Block explorer Smiley
A 'wallet' has no meaning in the protocol
Address? Client?

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Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?

21 Billion is the cap on a WALLET, when me and the other people were discussing it on the other thread we were mistaken.
You can find out how many coins are out by looking at the Block explorer Smiley
A 'wallet' has no meaning in the protocol
Address? Client?

there is 21b cap in single address, account or transaction.

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May 27, 2013, 03:49:16 PM
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Can the developer please complement on this? If you say it's a 21 billion cap, then why does the source code have no limit?

21 Billion is the cap on a WALLET, when me and the other people were discussing it on the other thread we were mistaken.
You can find out how many coins are out by looking at the Block explorer Smiley
A 'wallet' has no meaning in the protocol
Address? Client?

Well then I have no idea what the guy was looking at that said 21,000,000,000 I don't understand code, or even know where to look for crypto coin codes.

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May 27, 2013, 04:13:16 PM
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The were no objections to the windows bounty doubling:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1776730#msg1776730

the original bounty is at:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1358839#msg1358839

so it is doubled from 6 shares to 12 shares. A 6 share bounty has been sent out to K1773R, so a top up of 6 will be sent. The remaining bounty is 6 shares.

The windows bundle works, the problem is that people are having difficulty installing it and getting it to bootstrap the receiver files. So the remaining windows bounty is now for improved installation and/or bootstrapping, maybe an installer could be made which installs devcoin-qt and devcoind, and makes copies over the receiver files to the correct place or something like that. There's no point in making another windows devcoin exe, since that part already works.


Has this been awarded to twobits for his devcoin windows install? seems his install meets all the requirements for the bounty but the bounty is still up on the current bounty page?

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May 27, 2013, 04:18:23 PM
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Hello,

It has been brought to my attention that http://devcoin.org/ is linking people to the old windows bundle and download, not the really good uptodate current ones that twobit has done.

These NEED to be changed as a matter of urgency as devcoin has taken off and everyone needs to be using the one click install clients that twobits has spent much time doing so well.

Many thanks

FuzzyBear

Which one should be used now? The one I have is from December 4th, 2012. It is 0.3.24-BETA and still has the "Bitcoin" logo, name in the title bar and name in the "Information" popup.

I'm on Windows and just downloaded this a few days ago.

Yup this is a classic example where the WRONG client is being used... you should use the links listed on the page here.. http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=how_to_get_setup_earning_devcoins_by_writing

but for ease:
Windows
-exp installer version https://www.box.com/s/crfmuuhe0f32w5g4nt4i

Linux
linux gui 64 bit https://www.box.com/s/kv06p8c9mc98ck4r97e1
devcoind linux 64 https://www.box.com/s/uuezs2d5mro1ltiwgvke

MacOS
osx https://www.box.com/s/ntna8dibxek351s42fxu

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May 27, 2013, 04:34:20 PM
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Is Devcoin going keep creating coins forever? Why's there no limit despite there being a mentioning of one in earlier versions? How can we create value if there's just an unlimited supply pumping out?

90% of the coins pumped out go to support development of free open source stuff.

As long as that stuff ends up worth something, surely value is being created?

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