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June 08, 2013, 12:30:30 PM
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The only reliable measure of whether a piece is any good is visitors - are people reading it, is Google featuring it in their search engine, are people sharing it on reddit? If you use an analytics package like Google analytics, which filters out all the bot hits and only counts the views from a browser, you can get a pretty reliable idea of which articles are popular.

I would prefer some mix of these measurements. It would be great to motivate authors to create quality content that someone will really read/use/need. Rather than pages with funny pictures that are attracting visitors Wink.
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June 08, 2013, 01:07:26 PM
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Regarding why Unthinkingbit rewards writers - I understand there is a project to develop online devcoin advertising. The idea being that the advertising revenue will then be added to the coins yield from mining - so that even though the number of share lines is increasing, the pot as a whole is growing too and not limited to what the miners produce.

Advertising has to be attached to content, hence the content development. However advertisers need eyeballs - they won't pay to advertise on a page no-one reads. Unthinkingbit has tried to address this with the marketing share - but that's limited to a few places. There is no bonus for a link from reddit for instance.

The simplest way is to switch to writing shares based on visitors. By definition if you have readers you have been doing some promotion. Writers of fantasy and fan fiction can promote on those dedicated forums. Article writers can try to get their pages ranked on Google, to get search traffic, and so on.

I guess there's no hurry to change the share model because the advertising network hasn't been developed yet. But the issue of visitors will become an issue once it does.

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June 08, 2013, 01:18:17 PM
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writers could easily write 12000 word at 2 or 3 nights and get the same.


Just wanted to address this - it's not possible to write 12,000 words in "2 or 3 nights". It takes about four hours to write a good quality 1000 word article. Hemmingway used to manage just 500 words a day.

You might see people uploading fairly long stories - but it's unlikely they wrote it in a couple of nights - more likely they sweated blood writing it over many months and sometimes years, and then found they could publish on devtome so uploaded their existing work.


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June 08, 2013, 01:22:30 PM
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Where original articles are concerned it takes as much efforts as programming, as an Engineer that had done development work in FPGA and firmware, I must say that writers have their own challenges, as much as programmers have their own challenges.  Can't say which is easier which is harder.
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June 08, 2013, 01:40:55 PM
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writers could easily write 12000 word at 2 or 3 nights and get the same.


Just wanted to address this - it's not possible to write 12,000 words in "2 or 3 nights". It takes about four hours to write a good quality 1000 word article. Hemmingway used to manage just 500 words a day.

You might see people uploading fairly long stories - but it's unlikely they wrote it in a couple of nights - more likely they sweated blood writing it over many months and sometimes years, and then found they could publish on devtome so uploaded their existing work.



Yes, I may say as a ideal situation your opinion is right and i admit that, but as you say it should be "good quality", someone may write diary and also got the same shares... and it's hard (no good automatic method) to tell whether good or not an article is, while we could easily distingush good and average softwares from bad ones, because they should at least runs and works right... right? Smiley

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June 08, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
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We'd like for someone from the Devcoin community to record a video lecture on Devcoin for our free community built course on Bitcoin:

https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/

We have nearly 2,000 subscribers in about six weeks and we are on target for 10,000 by the end of the Summer thus this would be an excellent opportunity for you guys to share devcoin with a much broader audience.

Here is our project's website:

http://btcedproject.org/

I'm looking for an introductory 15-30 minute lecture that answers the following questions:

What is Devcoin?
What does Devcoin seek to accomplish?
How can I acquire and use devcoins?
Where are the Devcoin communities?
How can I help the Devcoin community?

Ok, I got this PM, and was discussing possible animation or other options to avoid one of our ugly mugs being permanently attached to devcoin. Perhaps a script even if it does end up being one person just talking on screen. But this should be done with proper lighting, makeup, etc lets get this done professionally. I have no idea what a bounty for this would be worth, but I would suggest one be issued for the hard work that will go into this.

Edit: Finshaggy, are you in contact with that mon corpus or whatever, a pretty face never hurts with gaining public attention.

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June 08, 2013, 06:23:19 PM
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We'd like for someone from the Devcoin community to record a video lecture on Devcoin for our free community built course on Bitcoin:

https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/

We have nearly 2,000 subscribers in about six weeks and we are on target for 10,000 by the end of the Summer thus this would be an excellent opportunity for you guys to share devcoin with a much broader audience.

Here is our project's website:

http://btcedproject.org/

I'm looking for an introductory 15-30 minute lecture that answers the following questions:

What is Devcoin?
What does Devcoin seek to accomplish?
How can I acquire and use devcoins?
Where are the Devcoin communities?
How can I help the Devcoin community?

Ok, I got this PM, and was discussing possible animation or other options to avoid one of our ugly mugs being permanently attached to devcoin. Perhaps a script even if it does end up being one person just talking on screen. But this should be done with proper lighting, makeup, etc lets get this done professionally. I have no idea what a bounty for this would be worth, but I would suggest one be issued for the hard work that will go into this.

The presentation doesn't have to show someone speaking. Like the others, it could be a "powerpoint" presentation.

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June 08, 2013, 06:27:57 PM
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Agreed, but it is quite simple to green screen a powerpoint behind a person. (can be done from home) if someone would like to put a small amount of production value into it, that may be worth the time.

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June 08, 2013, 08:02:04 PM
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...Why is it generating a new DVC address (leaving the original one) every 2 days?
Now I have something like other 8 addresses, apart from the one I normally use.
Going on this way I will have 100 addresses by end of the year.
Does anybody know how to fix the issue?
Thankx
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June 08, 2013, 08:05:10 PM
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From the Bitcoin Education Project...
Ok, I got this PM, and was discussing possible animation or other options to avoid one of our ugly mugs being permanently attached to devcoin. Perhaps a script even if it does end up being one person just talking on screen. But this should be done with proper lighting, makeup, etc lets get this done professionally. I have no idea what a bounty for this would be worth, but I would suggest one be issued for the hard work that will go into this.

Edit: Finshaggy, are you in contact with that mon corpus or whatever, a pretty face never hurts with gaining public attention.
Great idea. Beauty is in the eye...reckon a graphic/visual with voiceover would probably be better too.

Edit: to be clear, if by mon corpus you mean the youtube girl, that part's not what I meant by great idea. But I have no better suggestions as graphic presentations are not my thing.

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June 08, 2013, 08:15:06 PM
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From the Bitcoin Education Project...
Ok, I got this PM, and was discussing possible animation or other options to avoid one of our ugly mugs being permanently attached to devcoin. Perhaps a script even if it does end up being one person just talking on screen. But this should be done with proper lighting, makeup, etc lets get this done professionally. I have no idea what a bounty for this would be worth, but I would suggest one be issued for the hard work that will go into this.

Edit: Finshaggy, are you in contact with that mon corpus or whatever, a pretty face never hurts with gaining public attention.
Great idea. Beauty is in the eye...reckon a graphic/visual with voiceover would probably be better too.

Unthinkingbit, ideas on bounty amounts to be awarded for staring/voicing in the video or presentation? We could "hire" that mon corpus off youtube for this kind of thing since she already seems to have an interest I would think in dvc.

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June 08, 2013, 08:45:44 PM
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If getting it done is time sensitive, with the rate of growth in receiver lines may work better with an actual dvc bounty rather than propective shares. If so I'd be willing to chip in for that to get something decent made (if anyone has experience in that area).

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June 08, 2013, 09:13:37 PM
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I just checked and looks like I should be entitled to be in the Bitcoin dev list as I'm actively developping pywallet again for more than 2 months. I'm not sure I'd receive anything from that though with all the writing shares.
That's not a problem though as it's Unthinkingbit's coin and it's normal he chooses the priority. But whatever the priority is (writing/developping/other), I'd just like it to be stated clearly

Hey jackjack, I'm in charge of adding people to the developer share lists. Here are some general guidelines on whether or not you would be eligible: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#developer

The best way to see if you qualify to be on the list is to PM me or post a link to the project thread. If you have 10 posts a month from users, then the project is definitely popular enough to be included. My instinct is that pywallet will qualify easily. I know I've used it in the last month, and I'm guessing so have several others in this thread.

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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?

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June 08, 2013, 09:32:03 PM
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If getting it done is time sensitive, with the rate of growth in receiver lines may work better with an actual dvc bounty rather than propective shares. If so I'd be willing to chip in for that to get something decent made (if anyone has experience in that area).

Does anyone here have experience in this area. Video editing or animation or cinematography?

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June 08, 2013, 09:48:32 PM
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I've got some experience with flash animation, but no proffessional one. It will suppose a lot of work to do something decent... and for a 15 min animation there are work for hours and days.

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June 08, 2013, 10:22:50 PM
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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?
agree, though id say 1/4 is enough.
Devcoin is about DEVeloping, maintaining a wiki dosnt really count to developing Wink

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June 08, 2013, 10:27:26 PM
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I just checked and looks like I should be entitled to be in the Bitcoin dev list as I'm actively developping pywallet again for more than 2 months. I'm not sure I'd receive anything from that though with all the writing shares.
That's not a problem though as it's Unthinkingbit's coin and it's normal he chooses the priority. But whatever the priority is (writing/developping/other), I'd just like it to be stated clearly

Hey jackjack, I'm in charge of adding people to the developer share lists. Here are some general guidelines on whether or not you would be eligible: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#developer

The best way to see if you qualify to be on the list is to PM me or post a link to the project thread. If you have 10 posts a month from users, then the project is definitely popular enough to be included. My instinct is that pywallet will qualify easily. I know I've used it in the last month, and I'm guessing so have several others in this thread.

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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?

I think pageviews are the best solution.  It's good enough for advertisers to pay big money for page views so why not devtome.  That way if an article is not popular there will be little pay so people will be forced to write better quality or quit. 

This sounds fair enough where having someone judge each article won't be fair as writing is subjective.  Let the masses decide what's good and popular and pay out accordingly. 

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June 08, 2013, 10:30:18 PM
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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?
agree, though id say 1/4 is enough.
Devcoin is about DEVeloping, maintaining a wiki dosnt really count to developing Wink

Without awareness and POPularity all the DEVeloping in the world will fall flat on its face.

Writers should get paid per quality and the best way is to measure quality the way advertisers and google pay and get paid for ads and that is hits or page-views.

I know unthinkingbit said last month there was a program almost ready to be used for this.  This will ensure that people will write quality work or quit.  It is the most fair way of doing things.

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June 08, 2013, 10:56:29 PM
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I've got some experience with flash animation, but no proffessional one. It will suppose a lot of work to do something decent... and for a 15 min animation there are work for hours and days.

Well try and give me an estimate if you can so we can set a bounty.

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June 08, 2013, 11:13:53 PM
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I've no aggression to the writers, but just want to make our community to notice this thing, is devtome more important than open source developers? I'd suggest some way, e.g. to limit the shares on devtome not exceed the half of whole shares, or as others said, use read times or vote links, instead of just words to distribute shares. just some random thoughts, not thinking very carefully, and forgive my english for I'm not native speaker.

I agree 100%. Unthinkingbit and other administrators: is there a way we can make some decision on this?
agree, though id say 1/4 is enough.
Devcoin is about DEVeloping, maintaining a wiki dosnt really count to developing Wink

Without awareness and POPularity all the DEVeloping in the world will fall flat on its face.

Writers should get paid per quality and the best way is to measure quality the way advertisers and google pay and get paid for ads and that is hits or page-views.

I know unthinkingbit said last month there was a program almost ready to be used for this.  This will ensure that people will write quality work or quit.  It is the most fair way of doing things.

Going based on hits/views is one of the easiest systems to manipulate (exploit). I am 100% against this.

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