Devcoin

[Unthinkingbit]

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Also maybe novels should in any case be in a separate collection, like wikipedia has books in some separate place not mixed right in with encyclopaedia articles?

I think it would be good to have a separate blather section where people could put in articles that the author thinks are good, but others think are drivel or too wordy. Those articles would only get advertising revenue, no shares at all.

This section would not be for a type of work, it would be for any work that is considered to be of low quality. If later it turns out to be popular, it could be moved to the Original section of the invoice.

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[weisoq]

psybits - great idea, I didn't know that site existed.

Fin - the 1000 is a reference to, for example, the difference between the block number when a payout for any round begins, and the block number when entry into the next round ends (it's 1300 rather than 1000 this time due to amendments earlier to give people time to get their wallets).

Diary of dan - I'm not sure it's possible to select any one article and herald it as going against the ethos of devtome. If it's fiction, and there's an 80k word limit per writer per round that includes fiction as admissible does it then become a matter of taste? Would views on this article be the same if it was 3,000 words? What about 10,000? etc Differentiating because a threat is perceived to one's 'share' shouldn't be the basis of inclusion/omission. My view, going back a while, is that it may make more sense to cap any individual's payout as a % of the total. As devtome grows it will be very difficult to monitor or peer review each article prior to payout and it will remain subjective.

Devtome generally - I've only been doing admin on devtomefor a week or two, but already gone from skim reading every article submitted to selecting a couple of lines to check and trying to get a quick general sense of it, and just that takes quite a while. Submissions are only growing in number, so an approach does need formalising.

On a related note, I think devtome's reached the point where articles need filtering. I’ve gone through my articles (as have others) and categorised them under the topics on the front page, per reference to ‘The Topics section is organized like the Open Directory Project’. Would be helpful if everybody did this, adding topics as you see fit to later re-filter again more concisely. Alternatively if a script could be run outputting all articles by url I could do it (slowly) but then no promises on ensuring the correct categorisation by title between say anthropology and sociology, history and ethics etc  i.e. authors probably knows best what their articles are about.

Edit: I'm also interested in matt's side, and the opinion of somebody who actually read it through.

[markm]

Have removed it.

I am interested in your side of this, maybe you could do an article about the piece itself and/or about this "incident" itself?

This assumes I guess that it was not just a bunch of random drivel aimed at increasing your word count, although even if that is in fact what it was you could do an article on it as a case study or even experiment on the alacrity with which the devtome community discovered or discovers spam/drivel.

Also I hope you retained a copy, there are applications for wordy drivel/blather. We could even insert into stories stuff about some author and/or novel so [something] that only [some species race or culture] can even manage to read through it all, and at some point after buildup publish (not necessarily on Devtome; heck we could even put it into a book in a virtual world / game or something) that as a tiny sample of just one chapter of that legendary work. Or whatever. (You think Vogon poetry is bad? Try a Vogon novel! )

Since this planet, "the planet known as Earth", actually features in the Galactic Milieu if only as a fictional or mythical planet, you could also do an article based in the Milieu, talking about the Diary of Dan and/or its author as a character, either as one of those authors who like to use the literary conceit that they themselves are from "the planet known as Earth" or as a character in the huge body of myths and legends about that mythical planet. (Such as Heinlein, Asimov, Shakespeare, Dickens etc, all examples of famous mythical authors claimed to have been from that mythical planet.)

-MarkM-

[TaxReturn]

Also, I saw that TaxReturn spotted this, so I sent him 500,000 devcoins. I looked at his post history and saw that he brought up a security problem and made good points in general, so he'll be nominated to be an administrator next round.

Wow, thank you, my first noteworthy amount of devcoins. And I humbly accept the nomination, I will soon post a first draft of my 120,000 word acceptance speech on Devtome. Just kidding, just kidding.

Would views on this article be the same if it was 3,000 words? What about 10,000? etc Differentiating because a threat is perceived to one's 'share' shouldn't be the basis of inclusion/omission. My view, going back a while, is that it may make more sense to cap any individual's payout as a % of the total.

The point is that if the quality of a submission leaves something to be desired it raises just a small red flag, but when that same submission would also account for a huge chunk of all shares it raises some more red flags, bigger ones this time.

It's the disparity of quality versus potential gain for the author that makes a submission at least worth to be checked and in this particular case the author was to gain a whole lot for - in my personal opinion - very little. Of course it's difficult to quantify that disparity or the quality of an article, the only easily identifiable factor is the profit for the author. That makes it nigh impossible to draw a clear cut-off line between worthy and unworthy articles and I think in the long run Devtome will require either staff moderation or community voting to keep things fair.

A separate blather section, as proposed by Unthinkingbit, and a share cap might be good additional tools to improve distribution fairness.

[jasinlee]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.

[Smoovious]

... (Such as Heinlein, Asimov, Shakespeare, Dickens etc, all examples of famous mythical authors claimed to have been from that mythical planet.)

I thought there was also a claim that Shakespeare was originally written in Klingon too... .. .

-- Smoov

[Vlad2Vlad]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

[jasinlee]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

It was a separate contest I ran actually

[weisoq]

The point is that if the quality of a submission leaves something to be desired it raises just a small red flag, but when that same submission would also account for a huge chunk of all shares it raises some more red flags, bigger ones this time.

It's the disparity of quality versus potential gain for the author that makes a submission at least worth to be checked and in this particular case the author was to gain a whole lot for - in my personal opinion - very little. Of course it's difficult to quantify that disparity or the quality of an article, the only easily identifiable factor is the profit for the author. That makes it nigh impossible to draw a clear cut-off line between worthy and unworthy articles and I think in the long run Devtome will require either staff moderation or community voting to keep things fair.

A separate blather section, as proposed by Unthinkingbit, and a share cap might be good additional tools to improve distribution fairness.

I don't follow all the logic there, but such a view appears to be the general consensus so I'll leave it at that. It's also quite straightforward to first contact the writer oneself in the event of such a contention; resolving it politely and without fanfare.

Vlad - yep around 900 so far

[TaxReturn]

I don't follow all the logic there, but such a view appears to be the general consensus so I'll leave it at that. It's also quite straightforward to first contact the writer oneself in the event of such a contention; resolving it politely and without fanfare.

I voiced concerns about needed guidelines and pointed to the cause, there was nothing to resolve personally, especially since I'm neither calling the shots nor ever claimed to have a consensus on my side. Any kind of personal request to the author would have been inappropriate.

Up-to-date data about shares etc.:
http://d.evco.in/charity/

[ranlo]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

It was a separate contest I ran actually

Apparently I missed out on a lot of things: shares increased from 60 to 80 max, rollover being added, a contest, lol.

I'd have had that if I knew about the changes, :p. I was told that posting more than 60k would not benefit because there would be no rollover into the next month, and 60 shares was the max.

Oh well, grats!

[jasinlee]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

It was a separate contest I ran actually

Apparently I missed out on a lot of things: shares increased from 60 to 80 max, rollover being added, a contest, lol.

I'd have had that if I knew about the changes, :p. I was told that posting more than 60k would not benefit because there would be no rollover into the next month, and 60 shares was the max.

Oh well, grats!

I Ran it independently. Had nothing to do with dvc directly.

[ranlo]

The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

It was a separate contest I ran actually

Apparently I missed out on a lot of things: shares increased from 60 to 80 max, rollover being added, a contest, lol.

I'd have had that if I knew about the changes, :p. I was told that posting more than 60k would not benefit because there would be no rollover into the next month, and 60 shares was the max.

Oh well, grats!

I Ran it independently. Had nothing to do with dvc directly.

Oh, it's fine! I haven't kept up so much lately as I've been working on a dvc-related project myself, ^_^. More info will be shared "soon." I think in a couple days, assuming everything works as I hope.

[Vlad2Vlad]

I don't follow all the logic there, but such a view appears to be the general consensus so I'll leave it at that. It's also quite straightforward to first contact the writer oneself in the event of such a contention; resolving it politely and without fanfare.

I voiced concerns about needed guidelines and pointed to the cause, there was nothing to resolve personally, especially since I'm neither calling the shots nor ever claimed to have a consensus on my side. Any kind of personal request to the author would have been inappropriate.

Up-to-date data about shares etc.:
http://d.evco.in/charity/

That's really hard to read so I'm gonna go with Weisoq's number of roughly 900.  That's to be expected given the quickly growing popularity of devcoin and devtome.

I personally wonder what will happen to the quality of writers, artists, programmers, etc as shares go down in value.  Not many educated or talented people will work for $20 per day, at least not in the western world.  But it is a good sign for devcoin in general and I did expect exponential growth followed by logarithmic growth in the coming months.

One last thing - I thought the 24th round wasn't over until block 93,300?  Is that not the case or are new submissions not expected this late in the round.  Cause there were a few close runner ups to "Lawyer", and if there's a few days left we may indeed have a new (final) winner.


Edit:  I just noticed there's a feature built in which allows a rollover for people who may have gone over the max cap of 80 shares.  Although I burned out long before 80 shares - That's really nice, I had no idea.

[Unthinkingbit]

Coinzen was bought for an all crypto forum. The first person who makes an all crypto forum which can send and receive email:

1) To be able to send a message to an email address, and receive email in the forum inbox. In other words, a forum message to unthinkingbit would go to my forum account, and a message to unthinkingbit@gmail.com would go to my gmail account.

will get twelve shares, plus two million devcoins, and the domain holders will direct their domain to the forum. Mark, Jasin and Emfox hold the .org, .com, and .net domains in trust for the forum. There are few short, pronounceable, completely available coin domains remaining. Jasin and I searched through many domain names to find coinzen.

There will also be smaller bounties, probably around six shares, for founders and admins of existing forums, like devcointalk.org, coinversation.org, and cryptocointalk.com, to join as admins. People want to build their own forums and hope that their forum will take off, but having several forums weakens threads, and makes big projects harder to accomplish. In the normal course of events, eventually one forum would get most of the posters, but in the meantime, people will be wasting a lot of time posting on several forums, instead of getting things done.

Since we use cryptocoins, we're also the best group to finally stop email spam by making spammers pay:

2) When an email comes in which is from an address not on my whitelist (which would include contacts and people I've emailed before), the sender would get a message saying they could pay say 30 cents in a cryptocurrency to send an email to me. This would stop spam, and part of the money would go to maintaining the forum.

It'll take a lot of effort to make another coin forum with email, but in the end we'll have a popular all crypto forum with spam proof email.

[weisoq]

That's really hard to read...

receiver_summary.txt is the summary for everything - currently 955
devtome_24.csv gives running totals for previous and current round

[Dexter44]

Hi,
Is there anybody helping me to understand what is this lottery thing, how frequent it is, how the numbers are chosen, what prize (apart from the tablet) you are talking about?
Sorry for the dumb question. 

[jasinlee]

Hi,
Is there anybody helping me to understand what is this lottery thing, how frequent it is, how the numbers are chosen, what prize (apart from the tablet) you are talking about?
Sorry for the dumb question. 

Its over a few days ago, I setup the contest alone. Unthinkingbit is acting as referee here and being the impartial outsider choosing the winning person.

[Dexter44]

Thank you jasenlee,
It was for sure a nice idea.

[jasinlee]

Thank you jasenlee,
It was for sure a nice idea.

Lawyer got the first one, we will see soon who gets the next

If I can afford it I will do more in the future also.