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June 04, 2013, 01:10:52 AM
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How long does the total payout usually take? I only have 90,000 DVC pending so far.

Every block of the round pays someone. It goes through the receivers repeatedly, so whether you are paid anything in the last block of the round depends on what line of the receivers file it was on at that block.

In short, it takes the whole round to completely pay everyone for the whole round. But some people might get their last payout of the round before the last block of the round, depending how many lines there are and how many times that number divides into the number of blocks in a round.

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June 04, 2013, 03:45:52 AM
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How long does the total payout usually take? I only have 90,000 DVC pending so far.

Every block of the round pays someone. It goes through the receivers repeatedly, so whether you are paid anything in the last block of the round depends on what line of the receivers file it was on at that block.

In short, it takes the whole round to completely pay everyone for the whole round. But some people might get their last payout of the round before the last block of the round, depending how many lines there are and how many times that number divides into the number of blocks in a round.

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Mark, is there any particular way how the receiver files are chosen-paid out (ie. based on seniority, amount due, alphabetical order, etc)?


Also, weisoq said round 24 ends at block 93,300.  Does anybody know if that's the final cutoff - I read somewhere on devtome that there's usually an additional 1,000 block add-on after the cutoff where everyone gets sort of a final heads up kind of thing.  

What's this mature/maturing thing people are talking about?  I have the new devcoin client, that's it.  Nothing shows anything about mature so I'm not sure what people are referring to.

So when is the final cutoff for round 24 to submit anything?  I haven't submitted anything in almost 2 weeks - I hit it fast and furious and I kinda burned out but I would like to try and get something else written.

That said, I saw a lot of new writers this round so I think this round is going to be very diluted - I'm guessing close to 900 shares versus the 501 for round 23 and about 120 for round 22.  Quite a huge jump which is great news for devcoin awareness but not so good for earnings - at least not until the value of devcoin bounces back.

Does anybody have any idea how many shares will be generated for round 24 - 900 is just a gut feeling I have?  TIA!

Edit:  I understand the maturing thing.  I'm showing 45,000 coins and it says maturing.  Clear!

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June 04, 2013, 05:16:39 AM
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I think we need a market like this for DVC as a matter of urgency: http://dgcmarket.com

Any thoughts?

I will contact them and see if they are willing to part with their source for a good cause  Wink

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June 04, 2013, 05:24:52 AM
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Mark, is there any particular way how the receiver files are chosen-paid out (ie. based on seniority, amount due, alphabetical order, etc)?

It can probably be manipulated any time the number of lines or shares or whatever does not evenly divide into the number of blocks in a round.

Earlier in the file means more chance of getting used more times than later lines in the file get used, I think (By used I mean sent money.) Unless some other which line first system is used than just first line is first. I am not actually looking at the code as I write this.

When the number of lines was small each line got used lots of times per round so the slight edge one could get by being one of the odd lines left over that got into the last few blocks was maybe not so significant, but if for example we had 3999 lines so each line was one block but the first line was the last block to make the 4000 blocks of a round anyone on that first line would get twice as much as the people on the other lines.

So maybe at some point it willl be necessary to make the rounds longer (more blocks) or something to balance such asymmetries, or maybe long term it could be blaanced by rotating the sequence of the lines though that would onoy really work for long term beneficiaries.

So far I had just kind of shrugged at that since there were so few lines, used to many times each in the round, that it was like oh come on you are getting free money does that horse really need to be looked at in the mouth?

But if people start actually trying to live off their devcoin earnings, and the number of times a given line gets actually used during a round decreases, I expect people will be wanting to look that particular gift-horse in the mouth...

Maybe we could start by working out each time exactly how many lines will get used one time more than some other linesa, and use that slight difference caused by position in the file deliberately as a slight bonus or penalty, by having some system whereby it is chosen which lines exactly (admins? devtome authors? etc; and even which individual persons) get to be the ones that get used once more or once less than others...

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June 04, 2013, 05:33:08 AM
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Mark, is there any particular way how the receiver files are chosen-paid out (ie. based on seniority, amount due, alphabetical order, etc)?

It can probably be manipulated any time the number of lines or shares or whatever does not evenly divide into the number of blocks in a round.

Earlier in the file means more chance of getting used more times than later lines in the file get used, I think (By used I mean sent money.) Unless some other which line first system is used than just first line is first. I am not actually looking at the code as I write this.

When the number of lines was small each line got used lots of times per round so the slight edge one could get by being one of the odd lines left over that got into the last few blocks was maybe not so significant, but if for example we had 3999 lines so each line was one block but the first line was the last block to make the 4000 blocks of a round anyone on that first line would get twice as much as the people on the other lines.

So maybe at some point it willl be necessary to make the rounds longer (more blocks) or something to balance such asymmetries, or maybe long term it could be blaanced by rotating the sequence of the lines though that would onoy really work for long term beneficiaries.

So far I had just kind of shrugged at that since there were so few lines, used to many times each in the round, that it was like oh come on you are getting free money does that horse really need to be looked at in the mouth?

But if people start actually trying to live off their devcoin earnings, and the number of times a given line gets actually used during a round decreases, I expect people will be wanting to look that particular gift-horse in the mouth...

Maybe we could start by working out each time exactly how many lines will get used one time more than some other linesa, and use that slight difference caused by position in the file deliberately as a slight bonus or penalty, by having some system whereby it is chosen which lines exactly (admins? devtome authors? etc; and even which individual persons) get to be the ones that get used once more or once less than others...

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I thought a better idea would be to simply have the 45k per block sent to a central account. After the 4,000 blocks are finished, just divide the total (180m) of the coins by how many receivers there are. Then, say there were 180 so each is worth 1m. Bob had 5 shares, so you'd just send him 5m in a lump sum.

This way there's no overflow and everyone is given exactly what they should be.

Based on reading your post, it appears some people will get more coins than they should, which means others are getting less than they should.

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June 04, 2013, 05:54:57 AM
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I didn't look at the code. For all I know it does do some more-complicated divvying-up at some point when it sees the inequality coming. I haven't noticed ever getting paid odd amounts though.

I don't like not giving people their money directly though.

So I would prefer filler lines be added to fill it up to a number that does evenly divide, with some long term projects or something that isn't critical as to whether it gets anything in any given round but will be long term useful.

Like our open source spaceship or something. In a few decades maybe it could accumulate quite a fund.

Problem though is, who holds such funds?

Maybe once the code is updated so that it has multi-sig, if it doesn't yet have multi-sig, some complicated multi-sig stuff could be used.

But so far heck its only a few coins, get over it! Tongue Smiley Cheesy

Also, "should" is a poor choice of words. The shares are what they are. If they are on a line that gets more they "should" get more, if that is what the code dictates! Tongue

(The code dictates what "should" happen... Smiley)

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June 04, 2013, 06:31:04 AM
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How long does the total payout usually take? I only have 90,000 DVC pending so far.

To be a little more explicit than mark, the payout is over 4000 blocks. The generated coins take 120 blocks to mature, so the coins from the final block will mature by block 96120. Each block takes ~10min to mine on average, so that means the total time we're looking at is 4120 * 10 = 41200 min = ~687 hrs = ~29days.

So in short, I think a reasonable approximation is that each round lasts a month. Since this round started on the 3rd, we can expect the full payout to happen by July 3rd. Hope that helps.

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June 04, 2013, 07:34:16 AM
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Just wanted to bring your attention to this article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=the_diary_of_dan_fiction being discussed at http://devcointalk.org/index.php?topic=17.0 as it will dilute your shares and may be questionable.

What is particularly weird about it is the claim that it is fiction.

Although as I read it I already anyway felt it would be more interesting and useful if used as/in fiction than it would be if it were a factual diary and the author refused to permit it to be utilised in works of fiction. (Though hah, by submitting it he made it usable by any.)

Have you ever read stuff like "Report on Probability A" by Brian Aldiss? Or even weirder stuff that also was "mass" published?

One wonders also how much such material the author can come up with? One of the bonus features of imagining it to be true was the idea that they wrote it already years ago, and thus maybe only had so many years of diary written, thus would run out at some point. But maybe they simply sat at their computer and made up that whole thing in 80 or 800 minutes?

(This is where an article about the novel itself would be useful, and/or one about the author. It could tell me things like when the author wrote it, how long it took them to write it, how many similar sized works they write per year or decade or lifetime, any pertinent info about how or why they came to write it, who the protagonist is, what kind of genre the piece falls into or is it totally revolutionary, carving out a new genre and so on and so on...)

Maybe such large pieces, especially if they themselves do not seem to clarify what even larger work they are a piece of, need some kind of background in place at the least? Like maybe we ought to know who this character is, what world they are on, whether it is a science fiction or fantasy or historical novel, or, who knows, maybe even a romance, and stuff like that before embarking into the actual text of the novel?

That is, maybe at least say hey first we want the encyclopaedia article about the novel, before you start posting the novel itself?

Also maybe novels should in any case be in a separate collection, like wikipedia has books in some separate place not mixed right in with encyclopaedia articles?

I have not looked at Fuzzy's (was it?) 80,000 words from the previous round so don't know if we already have an entire novel started out of the blue without so much as an article about the novel, its author, its genre, what critics say about it and so on prior to encountering the actual text of the novel?

What I have been doing with my Galactic Milieu stuff is trying to put more and more relatively normal sized articles about more and more aspects of the backdrop before even really seriously thinking about dropping even some short stories set on one of the worlds let alone any of the novels I have started over the years that are set in one or more of the worlds.

As it is, starting out into that diary I had no idea who the protagonist is, that should be clickable to the page about that character, explaining who the character is, what works the character appears in, who the author was (linked to the article about the author, when they were born, whether they have died, what works they have written and so on...)

But hey, I have not myself yet posted a page about Dra the Lion and a page about Ezekiel Homo Draconis D'Or, yet I posted two short pieces of story about them recently. Short though, not novel-length (some novels are only 50,000 words or less, right?)

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June 04, 2013, 07:36:54 AM
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@Unthinkingbit, since that address is generation share capable, i suggest to put that address on the Generation Share list.

It's not open source, so it won't go on the share list.

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June 04, 2013, 07:42:13 AM
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Devcoin is now traded on cryptsy
https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/40

Devcoin has traded on cryptsy so he'll get the last exchange bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg1833963#msg1833963

The exchange bounty is finished.

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June 04, 2013, 07:47:21 AM
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Just wanted to bring your attention to this article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=the_diary_of_dan_fiction being discussed at http://devcointalk.org/index.php?topic=17.0 as it will dilute your shares and may be questionable.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I didn't see it because I can't read all the articles. Although there is nothing wrong with a well written diary, this diary is drivel, which is not allowed:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#requirements

I will message Matt about this and have taken him off the devtome list in the meantime. I looked at his other articles and in my opinion his poems are good, and his review of Deal or No Deal is good.

Also, I saw that TaxReturn spotted this, so I sent him 500,000 devcoins. I looked at his post history and saw that he brought up a security problem and made good points in general, so he'll be nominated to be an administrator next round.

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June 04, 2013, 08:05:01 AM
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The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.

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Also maybe novels should in any case be in a separate collection, like wikipedia has books in some separate place not mixed right in with encyclopaedia articles?

I think it would be good to have a separate blather section where people could put in articles that the author thinks are good, but others think are drivel or too wordy. Those articles would only get advertising revenue, no shares at all.

This section would not be for a type of work, it would be for any work that is considered to be of low quality. If later it turns out to be popular, it could be moved to the Original section of the invoice.

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June 04, 2013, 09:28:34 AM
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psybits - great idea, I didn't know that site existed.

Fin - the 1000 is a reference to, for example, the difference between the block number when a payout for any round begins, and the block number when entry into the next round ends (it's 1300 rather than 1000 this time due to amendments earlier to give people time to get their wallets).

Diary of dan - I'm not sure it's possible to select any one article and herald it as going against the ethos of devtome. If it's fiction, and there's an 80k word limit per writer per round that includes fiction as admissible does it then become a matter of taste? Would views on this article be the same if it was 3,000 words? What about 10,000? etc Differentiating because a threat is perceived to one's 'share' shouldn't be the basis of inclusion/omission. My view, going back a while, is that it may make more sense to cap any individual's payout as a % of the total. As devtome grows it will be very difficult to monitor or peer review each article prior to payout and it will remain subjective.

Devtome generally - I've only been doing admin on devtomefor a week or two, but already gone from skim reading every article submitted to selecting a couple of lines to check and trying to get a quick general sense of it, and just that takes quite a while. Submissions are only growing in number, so an approach does need formalising.

On a related note, I think devtome's reached the point where articles need filtering. I’ve gone through my articles (as have others) and categorised them under the topics on the front page, per reference to ‘The Topics section is organized like the Open Directory Project’. Would be helpful if everybody did this, adding topics as you see fit to later re-filter again more concisely. Alternatively if a script could be run outputting all articles by url I could do it (slowly) but then no promises on ensuring the correct categorisation by title between say anthropology and sociology, history and ethics etc  i.e. authors probably knows best what their articles are about.

Edit: I'm also interested in matt's side, and the opinion of somebody who actually read it through.

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Have removed it.

I am interested in your side of this, maybe you could do an article about the piece itself and/or about this "incident" itself?

This assumes I guess that it was not just a bunch of random drivel aimed at increasing your word count, although even if that is in fact what it was you could do an article on it as a case study or even experiment on the alacrity with which the devtome community discovered or discovers spam/drivel.

Also I hope you retained a copy, there are applications for wordy drivel/blather. We could even insert into stories stuff about some author and/or novel so [something] that only [some species race or culture] can even manage to read through it all, and at some point after buildup publish (not necessarily on Devtome; heck we could even put it into a book in a virtual world / game or something) that as a tiny sample of just one chapter of that legendary work. Or whatever. (You think Vogon poetry is bad? Try a Vogon novel! Wink)

Since this planet, "the planet known as Earth", actually features in the Galactic Milieu if only as a fictional or mythical planet, you could also do an article based in the Milieu, talking about the Diary of Dan and/or its author as a character, either as one of those authors who like to use the literary conceit that they themselves are from "the planet known as Earth" or as a character in the huge body of myths and legends about that mythical planet. (Such as Heinlein, Asimov, Shakespeare, Dickens etc, all examples of famous mythical authors claimed to have been from that mythical planet.)

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June 04, 2013, 03:28:53 PM
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Also, I saw that TaxReturn spotted this, so I sent him 500,000 devcoins. I looked at his post history and saw that he brought up a security problem and made good points in general, so he'll be nominated to be an administrator next round.

Wow, thank you, my first noteworthy amount of devcoins. And I humbly accept the nomination, I will soon post a first draft of my 120,000 word acceptance speech on Devtome. Just kidding, just kidding. Tongue

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Would views on this article be the same if it was 3,000 words? What about 10,000? etc Differentiating because a threat is perceived to one's 'share' shouldn't be the basis of inclusion/omission. My view, going back a while, is that it may make more sense to cap any individual's payout as a % of the total.

The point is that if the quality of a submission leaves something to be desired it raises just a small red flag, but when that same submission would also account for a huge chunk of all shares it raises some more red flags, bigger ones this time.

It's the disparity of quality versus potential gain for the author that makes a submission at least worth to be checked and in this particular case the author was to gain a whole lot for - in my personal opinion - very little. Of course it's difficult to quantify that disparity or the quality of an article, the only easily identifiable factor is the profit for the author. That makes it nigh impossible to draw a clear cut-off line between worthy and unworthy articles and I think in the long run Devtome will require either staff moderation or community voting to keep things fair.

A separate blather section, as proposed by Unthinkingbit, and a share cap might be good additional tools to improve distribution fairness.
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June 04, 2013, 03:52:11 PM
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The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.


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June 04, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
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... (Such as Heinlein, Asimov, Shakespeare, Dickens etc, all examples of famous mythical authors claimed to have been from that mythical planet.)
I thought there was also a claim that Shakespeare was originally written in Klingon too... .. .

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June 04, 2013, 04:15:54 PM
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The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.


CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

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June 04, 2013, 04:20:47 PM
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The most prolific author over the last month was Lawyer:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:lawyer

who wrote 76,832 words:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_10001.csv

so he gets the tablet:
https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.msg19779.html#msg19779

the lotto ranges for the remaining writers are at:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/lotto.csv

the next megamillions draw:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

will be on Tuesday night, so the lottery winner will be declared on Wednesday.


CONGRATS!  Please pm me your delivery address when you get a chance.


wow, that's great, I had no idea there was a prize for 1st.  Anybody know how many shares were in round 24 - my gut feeling is around 900?  Looks like a lot of new writers and also much more writing than in round 23.  The word is getting out for sure.....and fast.  TIA

It was a separate contest I ran actually Cheesy

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