Devcoin

[killerstorm]

Hello, can someone explain what is the point of Devcoin since we already have Bitcoin?

Have you tried reading this?: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin

Devcoin is more like a "benefit corporation" rather than simply a currency. Essentially it is an organization which created its own currency for accounting purposes.

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[K1773R]

So developers are at huge disadvantage compared to writers.

Developers are at extreme advantage over those who ARE Devcoin network = miners. No miners, no Devcoin. Behold - are we
supposed to be satisfied with 10% of coins and thus continue to keep alive network from which you are taking 90% of coins and
distribute them as you, or selected groups you like, wish? It reminds me of something ... let me find it for you:

--snip--

This may sound harsh but if you are unable (due to lack of intelligence, wisdom, logic, etc) to understand how the system works, then dont even try to argue!

[Unthinkingbit]

Crucial difference:
Devcoin != political communist whinging agenda
Unthinkingbit != Soros (At least I'm pretty sure of that because Unthinkingbit doesn't seem retarded, but I guess we can all act differently online....  Unthinkingbit, if you are Soros, please act like you do here in real life lol)

Devcoin reflects my beliefs.

I think workers should own the means of production. Devcoin funds open source programs, so everyone can own good software. If the market capitalization gets high enough devcoin will fund open source fabricator development, so everyone could buy a good desktop fabricator, and/or a share of a hackerspace with many machine tools.

I think workers should get paid for their work, and only their work. If they need money but don't want to work that's too bad, for them. Devcoin funds developers when they develop; if they stop, they don't get any more devcoins.

[Icoin]

No matter how hard you try to hide the truth, it can't be hidden - at least not from me and, obviously, most other miners.

Boy get alive, your truth vision seems to be quite blurry, i wouldnt shout that loud, rather become more moderate, this is not the american black or white thing. Only cause it works different you throw standart phrases like comunism etc. in to this thread, i hardly doubt that you even have a clou what comunism is.

Devcoin works with democratic principles, but you just show with your bla that you simply dont understand what direct democracy is or how devcoin works.

Stop to taunt ppl now! And please never minine for devcoins, rucoin would fit mutch bether for you.

[Unthinkingbit]

Thanks. I actually read this stuff on devtome.com before asking question, I just wanted to clarify whether those are current rules.

Thanks for reading before asking a question. I wish everyone did that

Then I guess "colored bitcoins" project qualifies since it is essentially a Bitcoin client with extra features which would allow users to issue their own private currencies/stocks/bonds/whatever and trade them on p2p exchange, all on top of Bitcoin protocol.

Since it is bitcoin related, it would go on the bitcoin share list rather than the devcoin share list. However, it is not part of the standard bitcoin client so you are not considered a bitcoin developer.

There are no users yet, however, since software isn't finished yet. However a lot of people are interested.

So... Does it qualify as is, or should we wait until people start using it, or...?

It does not qualify as is, because no one is using it.

In any case, developers only get one ongoing share for development, if someone wants to earn a lot of devcoins, the way to do so is by writing for devtome.

OK, I understand why you're doing this, but you should note that people might see it as unfair. A trivial app might require at least 40 hours of development time, but one could write like 40 articles in 40 hours, no?

So developers are at huge disadvantage compared to writers.

So far the articles have been of good quality, no one has written wordy drivel. I write a lot, and it takes me about 9 hours to write a thousand words. In theory it's easy to write, in practice right now we only have three active writers.

If developers want more money, all they have to do is write about their project on devtome. Users always ask for more documentation, tutorials, etc.. If the developers give it to them on devtome, they will get more money and the users will make better use of the software.

Since there is interest in colored bitcoins, you could write about it on devtome and get devcoins that way.

Also you didn't mention shares people get for DVC-related development, like for DVC software
..

The devcoin developers, Mark and I, get on the bitcoin share list as devcoin developers. Gweedo gets on the bitcoin share list as a devtome developer.

..
projects which generate DVC revenue and so on. What's the policy about such projects? Is Devtome the only for-profit project allowed to exist or it's just that there are no other proposals?

It's just that there are no other proposals that we can afford now. Setting up devtome took a lot of work and devcoins. If the capitalization rises, we'll be able to make other for-profit projects.

[K1773R]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/

Following Chains can be "browsed":

• DVC
• NMC
• IXC
• I0C
• GRC
• CLC

Problems:

• BTC cant be imported due to a bug, PPC not yet (patches), LTC maybe if someone wants it.

Future plans:

• Support every chain possible.

To support anonymity, all logfiles are automaticly safely deleted with shred every hour.

[jasinlee]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/

Following Chains can be "browsed":

• DVC
• NMC
• IXC
• I0C
• GRC
• CLC

Problems:

• BTC cant be imported due to a bug, PPC not yet (patches), LTC maybe if someone wants it.

Future plans:

• Support every chain possible.

To support anonymity, all logfiles are automaticly safely deleted with shred every hour.

http://darkgamex.ch:2751/tx/0421151b4287b274d0150f723f9f0a9fa0c342b7d25ae0354008b129919eace9#o1

I was successfully able to track a transaction that I processed on the windows version of the devcoin qt.

[markm]

GRC? Hmm. Usually we have been using GRP to represent GRouPcoin.

Would you use BBQ, BBC, or BQC for barbeque coin if you had to fit it into three letters?

-MarkM-

[K1773R]

GRC? Hmm. Usually we have been using GRP to represent GRouPcoin.

Would you use BBQ, BBC, or BQC for barbeque coin if you had to fit it into three letters?

-MarkM-

i can change that if neccessary, it would be BBQ because its barbeque

[K1773R]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/

Following Chains can be "browsed":

• DVC
• NMC
• IXC
• I0C
• GRC
• CLC

Problems:

• BTC cant be imported due to a bug, PPC not yet (patches), LTC maybe if someone wants it.

Future plans:

• Support every chain possible.

To support anonymity, all logfiles are automaticly safely deleted with shred every hour.

http://darkgamex.ch:2751/tx/0421151b4287b274d0150f723f9f0a9fa0c342b7d25ae0354008b129919eace9#o1

I was successfully able to track a transaction that I processed on the windows version of the devcoin qt.

perfect

[jasinlee]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/

Following Chains can be "browsed":

• DVC
• NMC
• IXC
• I0C
• GRC
• CLC

Problems:

• BTC cant be imported due to a bug, PPC not yet (patches), LTC maybe if someone wants it.

Future plans:

• Support every chain possible.

To support anonymity, all logfiles are automaticly safely deleted with shred every hour.

http://darkgamex.ch:2751/tx/0421151b4287b274d0150f723f9f0a9fa0c342b7d25ae0354008b129919eace9#o1

I was successfully able to track a transaction that I processed on the windows version of the devcoin qt.

perfect

I havent checked your download again yet, can you note if you already updated the devcoin qt for the icon/name? Also what are the chances you would be able to create a similar to bitcoind patched with devcoind patched so that we can start tweaking it to create sites that automate payouts similar to the bitcoin sites?

[K1773R]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/

Following Chains can be "browsed":

• DVC
• NMC
• IXC
• I0C
• GRC
• CLC

Problems:

• BTC cant be imported due to a bug, PPC not yet (patches), LTC maybe if someone wants it.

Future plans:

• Support every chain possible.

To support anonymity, all logfiles are automaticly safely deleted with shred every hour.

http://darkgamex.ch:2751/tx/0421151b4287b274d0150f723f9f0a9fa0c342b7d25ae0354008b129919eace9#o1

I was successfully able to track a transaction that I processed on the windows version of the devcoin qt.

perfect

I havent checked your download again yet, can you note if you already updated the devcoin qt for the icon/name? Also what are the chances you would be able to create a similar to bitcoind patched with devcoind patched so that we can start tweaking it to create sites that automate payouts similar to the bitcoin sites?

im not working on devcoin's codebase, this is markm's stuff/job.
as i said, i will post here as soon its done.

[jasinlee]

Cool, ok will watch with anticipation. Keep up the great work killer/markm

[markm]

What kind of patch? Some day we need anyway to try to apply the merged mining patches to a very recent copy of bitcoin, pretty much all merged mined coins will need to do that so figuring it out would benefit all of them.

-MarkM-

[jasinlee]

What kind of patch? Some day we need anyway to try to apply the merged mining patches to a very recent copy of bitcoin, pretty much all merged mined coins will need to do that so figuring it out would benefit all of them.

-MarkM-

Markm, that would be awesome, would it be possible to setup a very basic webform to give out usernames/pw for each user so that we can track the mined btc/dvc/nmc etc on your pool? The only reason I am not using your pool right now is due to troubleshooting issues, I could not confirm if the mining was functioning properly through the webpage since I didnt have a login to check my workers. I would love to be able to login with an assigned user account and check on my workers, I would literally be on it all day every day in case a worker goes down.

[Unthinkingbit]

K1773R's Massive Multichain Abe

Abe: http://darkgamex.ch:2751/
..

Excellent work. You are hereby awarded 2 shares from the devcoin block explorer bounty:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg937183#msg937183

for the devcoin part:
http://darkgamex.ch:2751/chain/DevCoin

and you'll get 2/5 ongoing for as long as the devcoin explorer works.

There are two awards remaining in the devcoin block explorer bounty.

[markm]

What kind of patch? Some day we need anyway to try to apply the merged mining patches to a very recent copy of bitcoin, pretty much all merged mined coins will need to do that so figuring it out would benefit all of them.

-MarkM-

Markm, that would be awesome, would it be possible to setup a very basic webform to give out usernames/pw for each user so that we can track the mined btc/dvc/nmc etc on your pool? The only reason I am not using your pool right now is due to troubleshooting issues, I could not confirm if the mining was functioning properly through the webpage since I didnt have a login to check my workers. I would love to be able to login with an assigned user account and check on my workers, I would literally be on it all day every day in case a worker goes down.

No one has used the pool for months so at end of November I announced it is closed instead of bothering to go through all the math with only me as user.

Thus I did not record the totals of each coin at end of month, thus cannot tell how much has been mined this month, so wouldn't now be able to know at end of this month how much to share out. The way to tell if it was working should have been simply the bitcoins p2pool would have sent you automatically, or the stats graph it creates per user.

p2pool is intended that people run it themselves anyway so if eventually people do get interested they can easily run it themselves it is almost trivially easy since it has support for merged mining built right in so just follow the instructions and presto your own personal p2pool with merged mining of as many coin types as you choose to tell it about. Plus you'd get to keep all the various kinds of coins, instead of being paid for them in devcoins like I was doing.

-MarkM-

[jasinlee]

I used it last month for a few days, but I couldnt tell what was and was not working, I will attempt again to get it functioning on windows though, I would prefer to use the p2pool though.

[markm]

I found my missing qmake-qt4, it seems in upgrading to Fedora 17 it didn't give me qt-devel package, which now is qt-4 development package.

So I was able to do the qmake-qt4 to create a Makefile for the -qt version, and I added to its include and library paths my local dependencies dir so it could find my modified openssl that I custom made to include elliptic curve crypto that Fedora still does not distributed, and I added the -fpermissive that C++ now needs to make it ignore that fact that various things are not defined in the order that it now strongly prefers. I also had to add -mt suffix to the boost threads lib name, and add -ldl to the libs.

So now I have managed to compile the -qt version on Fedora 17.

-MarkM-

[K1773R]

devcoin windows build up to date (latest release of markm).