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April 29, 2013, 11:02:42 AM
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The new net.cpp has our four deisgnated backbone node IPs?
I responded to you on irc as this seems like stuff few others would care about.

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I am thinking of asking deoublec if it is okay to plug the IP of his devcoin node in as the fifth core node. It maybe gets enough load on it already just being used for his merged mining pool though so he might prefer not.

doublec did post his node, but as a name, not an address.  So to me the only question would be if he expect to be able to move it and just change the name or if he will try and keep it at the same IP.

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April 29, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
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Guys - can someone please make a Devcoin client for windows that is professional and easy to use and claim the bounty for that Smiley

I think the windows exe files already exist so it shouldn't be too hard for someone with the skills.

This will help in more people using Devcoin!

Devcoin is pretty much the same client as bitcoin, at the time it was created.  What is the issue with the client you want to see addressed?


I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

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April 29, 2013, 11:56:13 AM
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Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth

He wrote 61,000 words of original material?

Or adequately re-worked in his own words three times that much of other people's material?

Even Stephen King doesn't write that much that fast does he?

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I was skeptical too, but looking through his userpage(http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:FinShaggy), every article I've checked looks original. Shocked

My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

is this actually original source material? or a Speech-2-Text editor running while a TV program is on....

Not pointing fingers and accusing, just wondering how we can avoid such instances occuring and whether this has been thought of... agreed 60,000 is a LOT of words.. I have been writing my little socks off and I no where near close to that Tongue

also seems to be a bit of tension between twobit and jasinlee... can we please leave the beef to those FeatherCoin and BTC-E trollbox threads.... I believe this has come about from the suggestions of a number of bounties from Jasinlee which have then either been completed by someone VERY fast after initial suggestion of the bounty, or is work that twobit is already working on or has finished the development... Unthinkingbit or markm can we please get a confirmation of how bounties are to be issued, and i like the idea of a 48hour rest period where the bounty can not be claimed untill 48 hours has expired from its initial confirmation as this allows all users to have a shot at trying to claim the bounty,

Devcoin has seen a massive increase in users and writers etc and there a LOT of coins up for grabs in the shares that are issued, it becomes hard to follow it all, but I think that reading all the posts before you post further suggestions is just a wise idea as it avoids unnecessary conflict or upsetting someone by suggesting something that someone else has already said they are working on for example.

Many thanks and hope you all enjoying devtome, devcoins and its community Smiley

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April 29, 2013, 12:12:56 PM
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I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.

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April 29, 2013, 12:44:54 PM
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A few updates to my DVC Ticker app (should I post a separate thread for this?). You can now specify an amount of coins to convert, and the API requests are cached to reduce load on Vircurex (more exchanges are next on the list).

Here's an example of how this could be used:

There are 180000000 DVC generated every 4000 blocks (one "round"). Based on http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=daily_script_results, there are 107 shares (for devtome writing) and based on https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv, there are 71.6 other shares, for a total of 178.6 shares. 180000000 / 178.6 ~= 1007839 DVC.

A round's worth of DVC =
A single share =
Note that a bitcoin is worth

Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth
?! This is why I was referring to a max share per for writings that don't have any reference to the devtome/devcoin project itself, not because the concept isn't fair. Nobody else is going to say it so I will, but no submission of solely personal writing deserves that sort of payout, including mine. I appreciate I'm a newb and a nobody when it comes to decision making here, but that's playing the system and undermines the endeavour.

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April 29, 2013, 01:03:17 PM
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A few updates to my DVC Ticker app (should I post a separate thread for this?). You can now specify an amount of coins to convert, and the API requests are cached to reduce load on Vircurex (more exchanges are next on the list).

Here's an example of how this could be used:

There are 180000000 DVC generated every 4000 blocks (one "round"). Based on http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=daily_script_results, there are 107 shares (for devtome writing) and based on https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv, there are 71.6 other shares, for a total of 178.6 shares. 180000000 / 178.6 ~= 1007839 DVC.

A round's worth of DVC =
A single share =
Note that a bitcoin is worth

Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth
?! This is why I was referring to a max share per for writings that don't have any reference to the devtome/devcoin project itself, not because the concept isn't fair. Nobody else is going to say it so I will, but no submission of solely personal writing deserves that sort of payout, including mine. I appreciate I'm a newb and a nobody when it comes to decision making here, but that's playing the system and undermines the endeavour.

I have to agree somewhat with this issue raised here, as the content on devtome should benefit the devcoin community and there is a degree of questionable relevance against traffic that will be generated to the site from just having more posts.  However I think that the content that is more relevant to devcoins will get generally more traffic and generate more ad shares for those users with such postings. Though if devtome became the site to check for say Arrested Development reviews and articles then Finshaggy will have brought a whole lot more people to the site who do not necessarily know about devcoins and that is a good thing right?

Unthinkingbit and markm, your comments please?

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April 29, 2013, 01:07:17 PM
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My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

It is the complete script of a free open source television program?

Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license?

Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript?

Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR.

Using speech recognition to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create?

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April 29, 2013, 01:33:30 PM
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My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

It is the complete script of a free open source television program?

Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license?

Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript?

Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR.

Using speech recognistion to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create?

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many thanks for your reply Markm,

Ok little digging round turns out to be a fiction book finshaggy is writing ... OP here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180352.0
this raises the question of fictional content going onto devtome... i thought you can only be paid for non fiction articles? 

My views would be:
if a trans-script of an open source TV program then this should get 3/5 share for collated work,
if a complete trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should NOT be allowed,
if a part trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should be allowed within reason... say limit the earnings to max 1 share, or 3/5 share

Yeah the speech recognition software is something that I do have access to and did consider using but thought it an improper use of such software and would easily rack me up 100,000's of words easily, but would just spam devtome with lots of very random content so I did not think this in the underlying spirit of devcoin but the issue needs to be addressed as not all will be as fair playing as I. 

Depends what we are after though?  lots of content with high search hits, or good content with high search hits... think the credibility of the site is something that is more important in my view at the current time.

FuzzyBear

PS want to chime in and say sorry finshaggy for pointing out this out and sorry if u loose some shares you felt entitled to, but u have written a LOT and kinda drawn attention to yourself Smiley but keep up the good work all this needs to be addressed and sorted out before we have 1000 articles posted a day on such topics and the admins can't read and source all of these.

Again i'm sure i'll write up an article for clarification on what is acceptable writing and what is not as few emails I have received on such issues and few posts in this thread regarding such issues.

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April 29, 2013, 01:33:40 PM
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I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.


Did you just whip that up? Pretty nifty - except my antivirus recommended I discard the package as containing a virus Sad Any chance of fixing this? I'm excited for Devcoin windows installer!

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April 29, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
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I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.


Did you just whip that up? Pretty nifty - except my antivirus recommended I discard the package as containing a virus Sad Any chance of fixing this? I'm excited for Devcoin windows installer!

I know it was the case that a lot of antivirus programs will detect mining software as some virus's had a miner as the payload.  Maybe it could be fixed by stripping out the mining code, other then that I have no ideas off hand.

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April 29, 2013, 01:43:59 PM
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I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.


Did you just whip that up? Pretty nifty - except my antivirus recommended I discard the package as containing a virus Sad Any chance of fixing this? I'm excited for Devcoin windows installer!

I know it was the case that a lot of antivirus programs will detect mining software as some virus's had a miner as the payload.  Maybe it could be fixed by stripping out the mining code, other then that I have no ideas.


I see. Well to claim the bounty and be usable it would have to not give false positives on anti virus! Thanks for providing the link though - I'm not going to download it though!

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April 29, 2013, 01:50:09 PM
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This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.

Anyone knows how to export the wallet from the windows bundle, remove the windows bundle, install this version and import the current wallet?

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I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.


Did you just whip that up? Pretty nifty - except my antivirus recommended I discard the package as containing a virus Sad Any chance of fixing this? I'm excited for Devcoin windows installer!

think it is just cos it not a very highly downloaded file atm... my chrome said it was malicious software, yet scan with mcaffie and all is clear... nice work twobit Smiley

I know he has been working on this for a few days now, so hopefully should be able to secure that bounty Cheesy

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April 29, 2013, 02:01:26 PM
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I see. Well to claim the bounty and be usable it would have to not give false positives on anti virus! Thanks for providing the link though - I'm not going to download it though!

False positive are a fault with the virus software, though an understandable one...

I uploaded it to virustotoal... 


https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/066bbdd13287f803bf6c53cccf4a7e5d3bf2274a970de956db61d98800402c2e/analysis/1367243843/

seems 1 out of 46 virus programs flagged it, which is better then I expected given it does have mining software in it.   What program do you use?


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April 29, 2013, 02:14:31 PM
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...Again i'm sure i'll write up an article for clarification on what is acceptable writing and what is not as few emails I have received on such issues and few posts in this thread regarding such issues.
I’d certainly be interested to know whether the intent of devtome to develop into a repository of information for information' sake and traffic volume, or for interests sake and targetted traffic? The distinction would make a difference to what I may write and submit. I'd like to make clear I'm not having a go at finshaggy or anyone else in particular, only that if the guidelines remain vague I'm sure some of us could dig out 20k word dissertations, essays, studies etc that would put most writers to shame in volume terms, but perhaps ourselves to shame in quality and interest terms. However, if that's what the earlyish days of devtome need to get things moving, and this is made clear, then cool. Appreciate this is probably over-analysing the issue today, but thought as it's going to come up at some point it may as well be now.

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I see. Well to claim the bounty and be usable it would have to not give false positives on anti virus! Thanks for providing the link though - I'm not going to download it though!

False positive are a fault with the virus software, though an understandable one...

I uploaded it to virustotoal... 


https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/066bbdd13287f803bf6c53cccf4a7e5d3bf2274a970de956db61d98800402c2e/analysis/1367243843/

seems 1 out of 46 virus programs flagged it, which is better then I expected given it does have mining software in it.   What program do you use?



Good to know - Chrome flagged it when I tried to download it. I know it's clean - but it's a shame that one of the most popular browsers flags it Sad

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April 29, 2013, 03:35:15 PM
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FWIW, my Chrome (OSX 10.Cool didn't flag it, nor did my Sophos Antivirus. Cheers for finally having a DVC wallet I don't need to use the terminal to access. Now if we could get one for NMC...*dreaming*

THANKS AGAIN!  Grin
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This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.

Anyone knows how to export the wallet from the windows bundle, remove the windows bundle, install this version and import the current wallet?

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Free open source fiction is one of the things devcoin supposedly supports, so it had never even occurred to me that fiction would not be allowed on devtome, I had thought that posting it to devtome is basically how you get paid for it.

On the other hand though, consider if Stephen King - or in general any novelist or writer - was spending 40 hours a month writing the next great free open source novel. Great, they are an open source something developer, they get to have one share, just like people working on various other free open source something projects.

Compare that to one share per thousand words. Maybe it is simply not worthwhile to get onto the developers list for developing written material compared to just posting it at one thousand words per share?

Maybe if coders happened to write more than 1000 words of code per month they would be better off posting it to devtome than working 40 hours a month on it and getting just one share?

FIction versus non-fiction is a fourth wall thing and a very fuzzy thing, a lot of articles on wikipedia are factual articles documenting "facts" about fictional events people places and so on. Albeit I think they do seem to try to step back somewhat from the fictional "facts" to try to take a pose of "we are merely trying to give a little bit of basic info about a piece of fiction, maybe enough so people interested in the actual details can choose whether it is a piece of fiction they would like to read".

I have posted "fiction" myself now, in the form of factual records of specific documents that the Archaelogical Society of Lethron (a fictional village in a fictional world) factually had (and presumably still has) in its archives, documents that are in the hand-written "Player's Manual" provided for their reading pleasure and game-education to players of the tabletop paper and pencil roleplaying game set on the planet known as D'ydii.

In a way it is maybe rather late to complain about fiction now, the devtome is already more like the Dune Wiki and other wikis that provide all the detailed information about various gameworlds and fictional worlds - wikis that maybe help keep the nitty gritty details of particular fictions out of wikipedia by providing sites wikipedia can point to where those interested can find all the nitty gritty details they wish.

Wikipedia itself also anyway does have a sibling wiki that is a whole collection of fiction, right? We are the devTOME, not the devPEDIA, ha ha, so all kinds of ancient tomes from musty old fantasy worlds could end up there, at least inasmuch as they are free open source content. Huh

Or is part of why the Galactic Milieu material has been accepted all this time more to do with the fact the Galactic Milieu is itself not just any fantasy game nor just any collection of fantasy worlds but a free open source fantasy game set in a collection of free open source fantasy worlds Huh

Samples/examples:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_city_dies_d_ydii

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=of_futility_and_valour_d_ydii

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=of_he_who_slept_d_ydii

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=diary_of_a_hero_d_ydii

These are related documents that, to a player, provide various important historical characters and characterisations and such relating to the famous characters Dralien Atapul, aka Dra the Lion, Founder and King of Ilyon; the nature of the Ilyoni people; Dra's nephew, Ezekiel Homo Draconis D'or and how he gained the title Lord of Ice; and so on. All considered important documents for players to read.

These are recently added documents though, excerpts from the Player Manual for players of D'ydii. Earlier I had more been posting "facts" about nations and planets and the currencies used by various nations and so on and so on and so on. (So more in the vein/tradition of the Dune Wiki, I guess.)

Maybe the big shock with the 160,000+ word novel / television-series / televised novel / whatever it is recently posted is simply so many words in one month; had it been paced out over many months like the Galactic Milieu material maybe it would not have raised any eyebrows, once it was know that the television series depicted is one the poster is himself the author of?

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My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

It is the complete script of a free open source television program?

Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license?

Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript?

Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR.

Using speech recognistion to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create?

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many thanks for your reply Markm,

Ok little digging round turns out to be a fiction book finshaggy is writing ... OP here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180352.0
this raises the question of fictional content going onto devtome... i thought you can only be paid for non fiction articles? 

My views would be:
if a trans-script of an open source TV program then this should get 3/5 share for collated work,
if a complete trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should NOT be allowed,
if a part trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should be allowed within reason... say limit the earnings to max 1 share, or 3/5 share

Yeah the speech recognition software is something that I do have access to and did consider using but thought it an improper use of such software and would easily rack me up 100,000's of words easily, but would just spam devtome with lots of very random content so I did not think this in the underlying spirit of devcoin but the issue needs to be addressed as not all will be as fair playing as I. 

Depends what we are after though?  lots of content with high search hits, or good content with high search hits... think the credibility of the site is something that is more important in my view at the current time.

FuzzyBear

PS want to chime in and say sorry finshaggy for pointing out this out and sorry if u loose some shares you felt entitled to, but u have written a LOT and kinda drawn attention to yourself Smiley but keep up the good work all this needs to be addressed and sorted out before we have 1000 articles posted a day on such topics and the admins can't read and source all of these.

Again i'm sure i'll write up an article for clarification on what is acceptable writing and what is not as few emails I have received on such issues and few posts in this thread regarding such issues.

I have been writing about Sigmund Freud and Ivan Pavlov in the non-fiction sense. This obviously has nothing to do with DVC, but it is not fictional material. If devtome was kept as only a source for information regarding DVC and the development of it, I believe that the wiki would be small, and the amount of traffic it receives would reflect similarly. I think that there should be a very broad range of things written about to draw in a very broad crowd. If someone finds the wiki because they want to know about Sigmund Freud, and ends up poking around and learning about DVC and what devtome is actually about, I consider that a plus. The more traffic the better Albeit the content has to be good, or else it looks like a little kids playground of gibberish.

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