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May 01, 2013, 03:17:55 AM
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Is this for articles written after this starts? Or for articles written since the beginning of devtome?

(In before FinShaggy wins...)

Lol, I promise I will be sharing my wealth (I am poor as shit right now). And not just what I earn from writing, when I mine I plan on being very generous as well.
And I'm not submitting anything tonight Smiley

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May 01, 2013, 03:19:09 AM
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You might want to try a lottery, provably fair based on either the bitcoin block chain or the hash of a megalotto result, because if it's for the most articles after a while it'll be obvious that most people don't have a chance, so the incentive would be gone.

Touche. Good point. Let us also have a drawing on the 1st of june. For a second of the same prize. Unthinkingbit would you do the honors for the random drawing of the winner. So one is a goal based prize and one just full luck. The article one is the only one with the free accessory.

I shall draw, maybe with:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

or if someone has an automatic block chain lottery picker, I'll use that.

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Lastly the users that are wanting to enter will have to have a sig on their account stating something about dvc. Lets brainstorm for that now. And that user must have at least 1 post per day all month. Sound fair?

I don't see the benefit from posting for the sake of it, the articles are what make money and we're already accounting for them.


Their posts on recent threads around the forum for that month would give devcoin free advertising for the month since it would be in their signature on each thread. Could I get suggestions for the signature text/links/whatever we should have them post in their signature. They do not have to delete the rest of the info in the signature though IMO.

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May 01, 2013, 03:41:36 AM
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You might want to try a lottery, provably fair based on either the bitcoin block chain or the hash of a megalotto result, because if it's for the most articles after a while it'll be obvious that most people don't have a chance, so the incentive would be gone.

Touche. Good point. Let us also have a drawing on the 1st of june. For a second of the same prize. Unthinkingbit would you do the honors for the random drawing of the winner. So one is a goal based prize and one just full luck. The article one is the only one with the free accessory.

I shall draw, maybe with:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

or if someone has an automatic block chain lottery picker, I'll use that.

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Lastly the users that are wanting to enter will have to have a sig on their account stating something about dvc. Lets brainstorm for that now. And that user must have at least 1 post per day all month. Sound fair?

I don't see the benefit from posting for the sake of it, the articles are what make money and we're already accounting for them.


Their posts on recent threads around the forum for that month would give devcoin free advertising for the month since it would be in their signature on each thread. Could I get suggestions for the signature text/links/whatever we should have them post in their signature. They do not have to delete the rest of the info in the signature though IMO.

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May 01, 2013, 03:52:54 AM
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You might want to try a lottery, provably fair based on either the bitcoin block chain or the hash of a megalotto result, because if it's for the most articles after a while it'll be obvious that most people don't have a chance, so the incentive would be gone.

Touche. Good point. Let us also have a drawing on the 1st of june. For a second of the same prize. Unthinkingbit would you do the honors for the random drawing of the winner. So one is a goal based prize and one just full luck. The article one is the only one with the free accessory.

I shall draw, maybe with:
http://www.megamillions.com/numbers/

or if someone has an automatic block chain lottery picker, I'll use that.

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Lastly the users that are wanting to enter will have to have a sig on their account stating something about dvc. Lets brainstorm for that now. And that user must have at least 1 post per day all month. Sound fair?

I don't see the benefit from posting for the sake of it, the articles are what make money and we're already accounting for them.


Their posts on recent threads around the forum for that month would give devcoin free advertising for the month since it would be in their signature on each thread. Could I get suggestions for the signature text/links/whatever we should have them post in their signature. They do not have to delete the rest of the info in the signature though IMO.

Devtome, Where you get paid for sharing
Devcoin, Supporting starving developers since 2011

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Lol nice

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May 01, 2013, 04:03:24 AM
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lol inb4 FinShaggy wins Grin love that

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May 01, 2013, 05:03:37 AM
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OH, and 1 more thing. The same person is not able to win both. That would be unfair.

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May 01, 2013, 05:25:17 AM
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Newest script run posted.

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May 01, 2013, 05:42:38 AM
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Man... the DVC order book at vircurex is looking pretty stale.

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May 01, 2013, 05:45:18 AM
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hey there peeps,

was wondering if someone could help,

i have a devcoin wallet set up, but my transactions aren't going through to the address,

any idea why?

i have devcoin unzip to my %appdata%/devcoin folder

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May 01, 2013, 05:59:30 AM
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Serena:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:serena

has written way more than a thousand words, the first five articles are:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=difference_between_giving_aid_and_providing_a_loan
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=state_model_for_societal_organisation
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=why_somalia_is_a_failed_state_and_nigeria_is_not
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=the_absence_of_war
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=diego_garcia_depopulation_explored

and so got the sixth, two generation share signing bonus for writing:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#signing_bonus

There are now four, two share bonuses remaining. The writer will also get earnings per word:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#earnings_per_word

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May 01, 2013, 06:07:28 AM
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Their posts on recent threads around the forum for that month would give devcoin free advertising for the month since it would be in their signature on each thread.
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Something else that would boost the devtome page rank is links from outside the forum. I suggest they should have a link to devtome in their signature, or they should link to devtome from their site, if they have one.

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May 01, 2013, 06:16:26 AM
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Their posts on recent threads around the forum for that month would give devcoin free advertising for the month since it would be in their signature on each thread.
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Something else that would boost the devtome page rank is links from outside the forum. I suggest they should have a link to devtome in their signature, or they should link to devtome from their site, if they have one.


Yeah. Devcoins in the sig, and sharing Devcoin on other sites would help.

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May 01, 2013, 06:19:18 AM
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I think there needs to be a "Devil Coin" symbol. That might help grab people's attention...

Like an upside down star, with a goats head with glowing red eyes, then -Coin Smiley

Does anyone else think this is a good idea? I think it would really appeal to rock/grunge/rage crowds.

But, it does have the downside of taboo association.
But the Christian media might advertise it by hating it openly Smiley

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May 01, 2013, 07:11:42 AM
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Man... the DVC order book at vircurex is looking pretty stale.
It's just skewed by a few offers near or at 1DVC=1BTC. Take those out and it's around 1:2 but agree it gives a weird impression.
Actually if you adjust for a max order spread of 0.5x/2x bid/offer, very recently had greater bid volume.

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May 01, 2013, 07:49:06 AM
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Fheenix:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:fheenix

is trying to assemble the largest collection of alcoholic drink recipes on the net. He has written more than a thousand words:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=vodka
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=rum
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=the_bartenders_guide
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=gin
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=tequila

and so got the seventh, two generation share signing bonus for writing:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#signing_bonus

There are now three, two share bonuses remaining. The writer will also get earnings per word:
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May 01, 2013, 07:51:24 AM
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What book are you looking at? The DVC/BTC has been pretty tight the last couple of days, too tight even really for daytraders sitting on each side of the spread to buy or sell anything. The site's fees eat pretty much all of the spread it is so tight.

Is there a page where you get to see more than just the orders that are near the actual filled orders price?

I have been using a column instead of wall approach, instead of a wall, where at one price you put a huge order, I use columns, where at each and every price, except inside the spread region where the house takes all potential profit with its fees, there is an order, so all possible prices have offers at them. (Devcoin being down in the last few digits makes this feasible, there are only so many prices possible in a three digits of satoshis range.) Sales have been inside the spread range for a couple of days now, mostly, almost no buys or sells eating into my columns above and below the spread range.

So it seems to have worked as a way not only to nudge the price upward but also to stablise it once it got about as high as people were willing lately to go.

(Impatient people don't like to put their order on a price that is already occupied by 100,000 devcoins or so of offer, so the columns tend to nudge them into the spread range between the columns, then gradually moving that range by creeping the buy column upwards caused buy offers to tend to keep creeping upward to get into that clear space between the columns.)

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May 01, 2013, 08:40:28 AM
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What book are you looking at? The DVC/BTC has been pretty tight the last couple of days, too tight even really for daytraders sitting on each side of the spread to buy or sell anything. The site's fees eat pretty much all of the spread it is so tight.

Is there a page where you get to see more than just the orders that are near the actual filled orders price?

I have been using a column instead of wall approach, instead of a wall, where at one price you put a huge order, I use columns, where at each and very price, except inside the spread region where the house takes all potential profit with its fees, there is an order, so all possible prices have offers at them. (Devcoin being down in the last few digits makes this feasible, there are only so many prices possible in a three digits of satoshis range.) Sales have been inside the spread range for a couple of days now, mostly, almost no buys or sells eating into my columns above and below the spread range.

So it seems to have worked as a way not only to nudge the price upward but also to stablise it once it got about as high as people were willing lately to go.

(Impatient people don't like to put their order on a price that is already occupied by 100,000 devcoins or so of offer, so the columns tend to nudge them into the spread range between the columns, then gradually moving that range by creeping the buy column upwards caused buy offers to tend to keep creeping upward to get into that clear space between the columns.)

-MarkM-

http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/orderbook.php?pair=dvc-btc&market=vircurex
although they only display the top orders on each side, so the really silly offers (silly today at least), in fact all the offers over about 5x current price, have dropped off visibility. I don't know yet how to get the full orderbook out of vircurex.

Edit: actually there's an api https://vircurex.com/api/orderbook.json?base=DVC&alt=BTC (or xml). There are offers in at DVC/BTC all the way to 1, 100, 1000, 38.5k, 709k. Taking out just one offer of 2.69m offered at around 1 obviously drops the ask volume by 2.69m btc.

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May 01, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
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Can someone explain to me EXACTLY what The Galactic Milieu is and how it pertains to DVC??? I want to know how it pertains to CPU mining, and how DVC/BTC are tied in to this.

Its a mmo, markm has integrated the various coins into the game to be used for exchanges as a currency.

Okay, now can someone explain how to set it up? From what I understand, it is a rule-set for Freeciv... I would like to get into this, I enjoy a good game.

Hmm evidently the Galactic Milieu page in the devtome needs work.

I have started working on it again, mostly so far explaining that finance has been the big problem thus that finance aspects of it have had to become the immediate focus, so that for example the prototype of how the stock exchange city-improvement that cities in Freeciv can build is to function as an actual stock-exchange is one of the main points being worked on now, the Digitalis Open Transactions server. The goal being to focus on areas that could fund the project, stock exchanges that actually work (actually trade stocks) being one particular city-improvement that looked like it could maybe help fund the project.

There is no reset, it is not based on bitcoin-testnet coins, it uses persistent coins. GRouPcoins and I0coins and CoiLedCoins and GeistGeld are still low enough difficulty that CPUs can mine them effectively, BBQcoin was for many many months easy to mine but has now been picked up on by GPU miners so is now too difficult.

We are looking at new meanings for the term CPU mining though, by using MUD back end we can create environments that CPUs are much better at dealing with (by use of MUD clients, that enable scripting and triggers) than GPUs are ever likely to be.

As I recall we had at one point figured that we could run that economically at a price of $50 per player-account or more (annual subscription), the more the price the more loot would be able to be afforded of course so players wanting rich loot will want the price of player-accounts to be high whereas freeloaders will of course want the price of player-accounts to be low. But basically at $50 or more per player account, with each account being able to have up to ten characters, up to five of which can be all online at the same time, looked like it could be do-able.

At that point the burden went back to the clans / nations / guilds / whatevers, the groups of players, since each few hundred player-accounts would need a server set up. Basically the idea was a group of players would pay wholesale for maybe 100 player-accounts or so at a time and they would take care of re-selling them to players, meanwhile the hosting infrastructure department could go build the server for the new block of players without being distracted by also having to try to do the marketing department job of actually finding enough paying players to justify building another server.

It is not really so much a matter of the game being dominated already by early adopter players as it is a matter of the game being dominated by clans, guilds, in general "groups", of players, so that the best way for a new player to approach it all might well be to first get their group of umpteen players organised then decide among that group what aspect or aspects of the game that particular group is going to get into. Maybe also settle among your group what to call yourselves (guild, clan, nation, political party, whatever) and what scale of play you plan to enter into. Like, is your group going to operate as individual characters on an individual character scale, trying to build up a Freeciv scale "unit" of 10,000 colonists so as to try to bootstrap yourselves to the Freeciv scale? Or is the plan to claim to already be a Freeciv scale nation, by somehow obtaining control of a "unit" of 10,000 colonists somewhere and having it found a city that will be the capital of a nation/civilisation that is not yet a played civilisation in the game-so-far?

Basically it is easier to deal with groups of hundreds of new players entering the game as a group than to deal with individual players one at a time, so individuals who are not yet part of any huge clan or guild or whatever of players in any game anywhere might be best advised to first get such a group together or join such a group then get them interested in entering as a group into this "new" (to that group) game.

There is a lot of difference between sitting back at the Freeciv scale making one Freeciv turn of Freeciv scale moves per month or so, and crawling around in a MUD trying to get 10,000 characters organised and equipped as a Freeciv-scale "unit" of colonists and arranging (read:financing) transportation for them to a planet they somehow (read:financing) have rights to colonise...

Groups also had seemed at least at some point to be necessary for the whole financial angle, because of all the laws around money it made more sense for the guild officers or clan leaders or whatever to deal with any fiat interaction angles of things, so that the game can focus on the national currencies the game nations use in the game and any possible interactions such currencies might have with fiat would be something the citizens of a particular game-nation would talk to their game-nation's leaders or officers or whatever about in private as private matters between friends or domestic matters of the particular nation.

(e.g. Want to cash out Britcoins into GBP? See your guild officers; if you are not in Britclan, then have your officers talk to Britclan officers about trading the Britcoins for whatever currency your clan uses, which then your clan cashes out for you to the type of fiat your clan uses. This implies a major service a clan can provide its members is the interface to fiat, providing its members cash out for example of whatever in game currency the clan favours to whatever kind of fiat the clan favours.)

Maybe I have enough material in mind now to be able to go write a "starting a clan (Galactic MIlieu)" page...

(There is no "Bitcoiner Clan" or "Bitcointalk Clan" yet. Maybe bitcoiners could pull together enough of a clan to actually scale up to become the Hacker nation that supposedly invented blockchains and uses Bitcoins as its national currency, the civilisation from which the Martians purportedly obtained blockchain technology and went on to popularise it throughout the Milieu, by for example giving the technology to the Brits and Canucks and others...)

-MarkM-

EDIT: I see there is now a CHN coin, so maybe the Chinese have decided to join the Russians (RUC) in having a national coin? Maybe that is two nice clans / guilds / nations already that might be ready to start operating on the Freeciv scale once they feel they have gained enough players by launching their currency first to gather and finance players...


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May 01, 2013, 11:58:14 AM
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What is going on with Devtome.com ? It is not responding it seems...

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What is going on with Devtome.com ? It is not responding it seems...

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