Devcoin

[marticps]

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.

Anyone knows how to export the wallet from the windows bundle, remove the windows bundle, install this version and import the current wallet?

Go to %appdata%/Devcoin, copy your wallet.dat to somewhere safe, delete the entire Devcoin folder from %appdata%, then install the new version, and copy your old wallet.dat back.

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I agree that there should be a limit on writing (personally I think 80k is still a high limit, I'd say maybe 50k), or that the share value should be changed. The ~2000 word article I wrote on meditation took me maybe 2-3 hours to write (and I like to think that it's decent quality), while the Cryptocoin Ticker I app took me >10 hours. At this point it's much more profitable to do writing than open source development, which I think sort of goes against the idea of Devcoin. If anything, it should be equally worth someone's time to do open source development or open source writing.

Also, I agree that maybe there are better ways to generate funding/interest for the project. The hackathon idea sounds pretty cool to me.

One thing I think might help would be a site (on devcoin.org when that's up again?) where people can propose and vote on all the different bounties - eg. how many shares they are worth. At this point it's kind of hard to tell who decides this sort of stuff; it seems like right now it's Unthinkingbit and markm (who started the project AFAIK), but isn't the goal for this all to be democratically decided? I think that having to keep track of everything that's going on with the project, (bounties, client updates, etc.) in a single forum thread on bitcointalk will be a barrier to entry for some who might otherwise be interested in the project.

That said, I'd propose making a more clear bounty for an offical devcoin site (eg. devcoin.org), with clear info about the project, and maybe a section for proposing/voting on bounties.

Thoughts?

It worked well, thanks a lot! Now I can encrypt my wallet

In the other hand, I agree with your opinion. Also, talking all devcoin related questions in this topic is really complicated.

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[killerstorm]

It's not hard to compete with the internet when you are offering money.

Content farms pay for content, so?

This is all based on opinions of "content value".
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And I think since we have only 20ish publishers right now, all we need to be is in development of something.

The content doesn't matter, as long as the ends are parallel with the goal of the overall project, which is to develop things into the real world, unless I am mistaken, that is what I got from reading the bounties.

The IDEA behind Devtome is that advertisement revenue from Devtome will be used to buy devcoins on market, which will prop up the value of Devcoin.

This is why Devtome is supposed to get 90% of all bounties... It is supposed to be a successful commercial project, not just a community wiki.

So that is the value I'm talking about: content which brings in pageviews and, thus, revenue. (I believe that you need high-quality, unique, in-demand content to get them.)

Devtome might be valuable in other ways, but it would be hard to justify allocation of 90% of bounties if it is not a commercial success. There is a plenty of other things which can be funded.

[FinShaggy]

It's not hard to compete with the internet when you are offering money.

Content farms pay for content, so?

This is all based on opinions of "content value".
...
And I think since we have only 20ish publishers right now, all we need to be is in development of something.

The content doesn't matter, as long as the ends are parallel with the goal of the overall project, which is to develop things into the real world, unless I am mistaken, that is what I got from reading the bounties.

The IDEA behind Devtome is that advertisement revenue from Devtome will be used to buy devcoins on market, which will prop up the value of Devcoin.

This is why Devtome is supposed to get 90% of all bounties... It is supposed to be a successful commercial project, not just a community wiki.

So that is the value I'm talking about: content which brings in pageviews and, thus, revenue. (I believe that you need high-quality, unique, in-demand content to get them.)

Devtome might be valuable in other ways, but it would be hard to justify allocation of 90% of bounties if it is not a commercial success. There is a plenty of other things which can be funded.

What is a content farm? If it pays for writing I personally would have joined it, that is why I joined Devtome. I was told that I could earn coins if I brought writing to the site after I posted a story on Bitcointalk. So like I said, it's not hard to compete if you are offering money.

I know what the idea behind Devtome is, and I think popular topics will get just as much views as 'school essay grade' papers. If not more.

[KrLos]

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[Balthozar]

Firstly, I agree with an 80,000 word limit or 80 shares per round.
Secondly, I think it is too early in the game to drop the pay rate.
Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.
Lastly, I DON'T agree that everyone can pump out 1000 words every hour or two. My research on Sigmund Freud and Ivan Pavlov take a lot of time and effort. It's not me just writing whatever comes to mind.

[FinShaggy]

Firstly, I agree with an 80,000 word limit or 80 shares per round.
Secondly, I think it is too early in the game to drop the pay rate.
Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.
Lastly, I DON'T agree that everyone can pump out 1000 words every hour or two. My research on Sigmund Freud and Ivan Pavlov take a lot of time and effort. It's not me just writing whatever comes to mind.

80,000 Words and 80 shares is different. Bonuses should still be available in the form of:
Sign on bonus
Bounties
Admin shares
etc

And just because someone posted something in 1-2 hrs, doesn't mean it didn't take them 7 years to learn it or cost them something to experience it, and doesn't make it any less valuable in terms of development.

[killerstorm]

Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.

Well, again, the purpose of devtome is to attract pageviews, so one can just measure unique pageviews and give some bonus to top 10%, for example... Of course, there needs to be some quality check... But I don't think it is hard to manage such stuff...

It takes way more time to keep up with this humongous thread

[MosinNagant]

I don't mind there being restrictions on shares given out. And I agree with the importance of quality, that said, quality will eventually rate itself through pageviews, no? I think the less artificial restrictions we place on the system, the better it will be in the end. We should be writing quality material anyway, not just to make even more money out of something that is very profitable.

[FinShaggy]

Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.

Well, again, the purpose of devtome is to attract pageviews, so one can just measure unique pageviews and give some bonus to top 10%, for example... Of course, there needs to be some quality check... But I don't think it is hard to manage such stuff...

It takes way more time to keep up with this humongous thread

But I'd say that a popular New Released Children's Movie review would get more views than say, a paper about the economy of Russia...

[Balthozar]

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Third, I do believe that there should be some incentive for quality work, but then you would have to pay someone every round to read through and place articles in a tier of their quality.

Well, again, the purpose of devtome is to attract pageviews, so one can just measure unique pageviews and give some bonus to top 10%, for example... Of course, there needs to be some quality check... But I don't think it is hard to manage such stuff...

It takes way more time to keep up with this humongous thread

Hahaha true that. I have to spend a decent amount of time catching up on this thread every time I step away from it.

I don't mind there being restrictions on shares given out. And I agree with the importance of quality, that said, quality will eventually rate itself through pageviews, no? I think the less artificial restrictions we place on the system, the better it will be in the end. We should be writing quality material anyway, not just to make even more money out of something that is very profitable.

No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality

[FinShaggy]

No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality

EXACTLY.

Example, this page has the most potential of any on Devtome
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cat_meme_page

[Balthozar]

No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality

EXACTLY.

Example, this page has the most potential of any on Devtome
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=cat_meme_page

He gets it. Someone goes in there and posts 100 pictures found on google of cat memes, and gets a share, vs someone who spends plenty of time writing original content to get the same share. And the cat memes will always come out ahead in pageviews.

[FinShaggy]

How do you post a picture on Devtome?

[Balthozar]

How do you post a picture on Devtome?

http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=freud_s   Like I did here?

[[http://www.tinypic.com|{{http://i34.tinypic.com/15ewunl.jpg}}]]

Was the code I used

EDIT: If you ever have a question like that, click the little syntax link at the top of the editing page

[MosinNagant]

I don't mind there being restrictions on shares given out. And I agree with the importance of quality, that said, quality will eventually rate itself through pageviews, no? I think the less artificial restrictions we place on the system, the better it will be in the end. We should be writing quality material anyway, not just to make even more money out of something that is very profitable.

No I disagree, something can be of high quality but people may not find it interesting. I could write a page of a bunch of bad jokes that would get plenty of page views, but it wouldn't be high quality

I'd like to believe we're above writing an article entirely consisting of bad jokes for it's own sake.

[FinShaggy]

How do you post a picture on Devtome?

http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=freud_s   Like I did here?

[[http://www.tinypic.com|{{http://i34.tinypic.com/15ewunl.jpg}}]]

Was the code I used

EDIT: If you ever have a question like that, click the little syntax link at the top of the editing page

Exactly...

I'm still a little confused I'll click the syntax thingy.

[Balthozar]

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I'd like to believe we're above writing an article entirely consisting of bad jokes for it's own sake.

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It was an example to show that garbage can get more page views than something of quality, and therefore pageviews shouldn't be uses to assess the quality.

[FinShaggy]

I'd like to believe we're above writing an article entirely consisting of bad jokes for it's own sake.

I don't think anyone is above anything. People are just people.
And what's wrong with bad jokes? Some people might want to read bad jokes.

[FinShaggy]

What is Syntax? I can't find a link that says that...

[Balthozar]

What is Syntax? I can't find a link that says that...

Edit the page and hit Save. See syntax for Wiki syntax. Please edit the page only if you can improve it. If you want to test some things, learn to make your first steps on the playground.

That is at the very top when you are in page edit mode.

EDIT here: http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:syntax