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April 28, 2013, 07:26:37 PM
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I don't hold the domain the devtome is running on, I hold a bunch of other domains that point to it or try to point to it. I say I hold them because they were bought for the project, they are not my personal property.

I have two dedicated servers that are my own (as opposed to the project's; I don't mean they are in my home they are third party hosted dedicated servers thus not secure, not good for hosting wallets and such. They have taken a while to get up and running as basically I got a good deal on evidently some old server hardware and we ran into some memory, disk and even ethernet-cable problems but hopefully now they should be pretty stable. I also have a plain old just-webhosting (php+mysql type webhosting) account elsewhere which can hold some small number of domains, an old spare devtome wiki is on that for example.

They have unlimited bandwidth so I am running all the merged mined coins on one of them with a p2pool instance to do the merging, and all the coins get to have "unlimited" connections. (Ports open; not sure if there is some default limit to number of connections that allows.)

So I now do have resources that could be used for hosting and such. I had not yet been thinking in terms of running a normal webserver such as Apache or whatever so don't have one fired up yet; I had been rather looking at things that act like a webserver themselves, java stuff such as Cyclos for example.

Something that would be really useful would be software that can read p2pool's data -r the bitcoin blockchain itself - and be used to pay people extra based on how many bitcoins a specific site's instance of p2pool paid them or how much actually productive mining they did on a specific site's instance of p2pool.

Basically p2pool cannot pay out more than 100% of the bitcoins it mines, so although it enables all the merged mined coins to be merged mines it does not seem to track the merged mining at all so there is not easy way to pay people more for mining on my Massively Merged Mining instance of p2pool than just their share of all the bitcoin that it mines. (So basically people can use it as a zero-fee pool but do not get any extra bonus for the fact that by using my p2pool they are providing hashing power for DeVCoin, GRouPcoin, IXCoin, I0Coin, CoiLedCoin and GeistGeld as well as for bitcoin.

The p2pool instance is at 198.154.60.183 on port 10332

You simply use a bitcoin address as username, password doesn't matter as its not used; and it pays you directly from the coinbase of the blocks the p2pool network finds. YOu can also point a browser at that port and it has stats you can see with pretty charts and such.

But it would be really handy to be able to run something monthly that I could for example tell an amount of devcoins to and have it divide out those devcoins to everyone based on how much mining they did. Since devcoin addresses are identical to bitcoin addresses and the users use bitcoin addresses instead of usernames it already has their addresses it could send devcoins to.

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EDIT: Note that this means 198.154.60.183 is usable as an -addnode for any of those merged-mine-able coins and for bitcoin. Hopefully it will be 24/7 stable now the initial settling in of the hardware seems to be completed.

Please do add it as an -addnode to devcoin because right now it itself cannot find any connections! Smiley


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April 28, 2013, 11:58:37 PM
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I could host DevCoin.org and even put up a nice website on the domain too.

How much is the bounty exactly?

I was going to make an unofficial DevCoin website anyway - but working on the .org would be much better Smiley

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April 29, 2013, 12:18:27 AM
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I could host DevCoin.org and even put up a nice website on the domain too.

How much is the bounty exactly?

I was going to make an unofficial DevCoin website anyway - but working on the .org would be much better Smiley

Up a few posts back. If your goin to go for it, try and make it eyecatching we want the devcoin domain to stand out as authoritative.

1. Perhaps a group effort to writeup the explanation of the dvc project and summary of the goals we are pursuing.
2. A summary of what devcoin also is, similar to the bitcoin site and short video explanation (I dont know if anyone has experience with this, but I can read a script and sound decent on recording.)




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April 29, 2013, 01:55:43 AM
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If you want to sell websites, designs, or real items in exchange for Devcoins, POST IT HERE!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189471.new#new

I added a post with a list of shit I'm selling.

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April 29, 2013, 02:10:02 AM
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Here's my version of the Devcoin Ticker app. Currently supports every currency on Vircurex. Will add more exchanges shortly.

http://dvcticker.appspot.com/

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I was going to just post the source code to Github. Should I also post it to devtome?

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April 29, 2013, 02:12:25 AM
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Here's my version of the Devcoin Ticker app. Currently supports every currency on Vircurex. Will add more exchanges shortly.

http://dvcticker.appspot.com/

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I was going to just post the source code to Github. Should I also post it to devtome?

Nice Smiley

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April 29, 2013, 02:15:14 AM
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Here's my version of the Devcoin Ticker app. Currently supports every currency on Vircurex. Will add more exchanges shortly.

http://dvcticker.appspot.com/

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I was going to just post the source code to Github. Should I also post it to devtome?
I like the added currency pic at the beginning.

You can post it to git, but the bounty was based upon it being loaded on devtome.com, so just create a new page for it no biggie.

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April 29, 2013, 02:33:18 AM
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You can post it to git, but the bounty was based upon it being loaded on devtome.com, so just create a new page for it no biggie.

Is this what you had in mind? http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=dvcticker
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April 29, 2013, 02:40:51 AM
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There's a few things going on - hence trying to clear up things.

1) Nodes
What:
Long standing dvc nodes - ideally placed on fast connections & configured with a large number of connections.

Why:
To allow new & existing clients to bootstrap quickly.  To allow a complete fall-back when other systems aren't functioning.

How:
Coded dns names in the code - that allow cname & a lookups.

2) Locators - client discovery
What:
Review the current infrastructure to ensure it's suitable for scalable growth.  
IRC, DDNS (DNS Seeding), Client cache

Why:
It's good to review where you are and where you're going.
DNS Seeding should be reviewed and checked to see if the current setup is optimal.  DNS Seed names (DNS entries) should be checked & updated - are we using the most appropriate record types, what's the change control process.  As you mention - does it fallback properly should those DNS Seeds be taken out? Can geoDNS be leveraged to help users download the blockchain from their closest neighbours.  Tech has moved on - DNS has improved a lot - with ipv6 more prevalent now - srv & locator records can be used and you have more granular control over the how & what.
geoDNS is now pretty affordable and no longer limited to the big-boys - it can make a huge difference to the blockchain startup/catchup time for end-users.
The existing locators aren't setup to gather & supply metrics - each DNS query, irc join is a statistic that's useful in gauging adoption, growth & measuring scale.

How:
Test, metrics, target goals for how this works.

3) DNS
What:
Using existing DNS names to make config & setup easier & simpler for end users.  

Why:
Long term success in pretty much all things comes down to making something accessible to end users.

How:
Update the way a handful of (1) are recorded in DNS, update the documentation for users telling them they can addnode=dvc.devcoin.me and you'll be up & running in no time.
Using something like dvc.devcoin.me is way easier than 15 addnode=abc.def.ijk.lmn entries when a user is complaining that its taken 20h for their blockchain to be downloaded.


I'm overly cautious when it comes to DDNS because there's risk - it's easy to pollute and as it's a centralised public resource it's an address book of hosts.

I would like to suggest a bounty for bringing the devcoin client current to be capable of using the seed nodes. Of all the alt coins posted to an exchange it looks like dvc is the furthers behind on the clients. To keep the currency relevant we need to plan ahead, this looks to be a necessary step to continue the development of the currency.

Over the past 10 years css and xhtml have become more prominent, this is a similar case where the standard method is changing and I would not want the clients to get so far behind that they would cause new users of dvc to give up in frustration. Good design will facilitate the new & update speed of users with regard to the blockchain, help tx propagation across the network, scale with as the number of users grows and provide a resilient mechanism for clients locating other clients.

I would also like to see the receiver list integrated in some manner. One idea would be:

Lookup this months distribution address in the blockchain (via the dvc client) - pull up the first tx - grab the addresses the payment was sent to - distribute the y shares between these addresses. Manual payments that are done at the moment (non-generating shares) are the remainder of y. Send that amount to the this months originating address. This would all be automatically handled by the dvc client at the mining pool. Pools wouldn't have to change anything.

Not sure if this has had a bounty requested yet, but this would address more than half of the new devcoin users that have trouble getting the client working. They are used to bitcoin and other clients, you install and no files needing downloaded and installed in specific directories.

You can post it to git, but the bounty was based upon it being loaded on devtome.com, so just create a new page for it no biggie.

Is this what you had in mind? http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=dvcticker
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Exactly, and awesome, you got the python so thats an additional language.

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April 29, 2013, 03:15:51 AM
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Would it be possible to have a bounty for someone to update electrum to work with DVC as well?  Think it would be a good project to support those who want to run a DVC client but don't want the weight of yet another block chain to download.

Bounties for server and client (solo coin and merged coin variants) might be needed/appreciated as well.

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April 29, 2013, 03:29:57 AM
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Would it be possible to have a bounty for someone to update electrum to work with DVC as well?  Think it would be a good project to support those who want to run a DVC client but don't want the weight of yet another block chain to download.

Bounties for server and client (solo coin and merged coin variants) might be needed/appreciated as well.

For the second portion I think I remember a bounty for it already with the multi wallet whether it be a client or web wallet I dont think mattered. Unthinkingbit, what is the waiting bounty on the multiple currency wallet? And do we have one for the electrum wallet port to dvc or multi coins?

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April 29, 2013, 04:27:22 AM
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Would it be possible to have a bounty for someone to update electrum to work with DVC as well?  Think it would be a good project to support those who want to run a DVC client but don't want the weight of yet another block chain to download.

Bounties for server and client (solo coin and merged coin variants) might be needed/appreciated as well.

For the second portion I think I remember a bounty for it already with the multi wallet whether it be a client or web wallet I dont think mattered. Unthinkingbit, what is the waiting bounty on the multiple currency wallet? And do we have one for the electrum wallet port to dvc or multi coins?

I have tried to make electrum work with dvc, but faild. It is not that we should update electrum to work with dvc, but should update dvc to work with electrum. because electrum need several api calls and features from those *coind. Once meet the requirement, electrum could easily be ported to any altcoin.

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April 29, 2013, 04:51:57 AM
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Adding our stable nodes to the client is, I am pretty sure, trivial, it is mostly waiting for an actual list of actually stable nodes. It is silly to need a bounty for that, it just needs me to input some IP addresses into the code in the same place where long ago I removed the IP addresses of bitcoin nodes. A minute or two's work, with the puublishing of the new version being motivated mostly by the desire to get another checkpoint out there to further secure the cold-wallet devcoins the DigiDeVCoin tokens on the Digitalis Open Transactions Server represent.

Doing things using hostnames instead of IP addresses I am less eager about because as I mentioned before i0coin dies on boost's failure to look up an IP address from a hostname. It is possible that the reason I0coin is the only coin I see doing that could be because it is trying to look up a network-time server by hostname, it might not, or might not *always*, be trying to look up a seed node by name or do some lookup related to clients it is connected to or trying to connect to. But it indicates that using boost to look up hostnames might not be a great idea.

Also, we are supposed to be plugging in STABLE nodes. If they are STABLE we should reasonably be able to expect at least some of them to still be at the same IP address for at least a few years. That is part of being STABLE.

The bASIC guy hijacked our entire devtome even though that was based on domain name not on IP address, so really if you cannot rely on someone to keep a server at a STABLE IP address I do not really think there is a whole lot more chance, really, that they will maintain a STABLE hostname either. A fuckup is a fuckup, I tried to warn the people ordering bASICs that the guy could not even administer the complicated task of renewing a domain when it expires (or was deliberately stealing our domain and content) so expecting him to actually produce an ASIC was massively stupid. They shrugged it off as if oh well who cares, so he cannot do the simplest frikking thing, so what, he will do this amazingly complex thing just fine...

So basically if people cannot even just frikking keep paying for the same damn IP address for a few years expecting them to maintain a DNS is like are you frakking crazy that actually takes maybe some knowledge not just throwing money at a hoster saying "I demand a fixed IP address".

If it IS safe to do DNS lookups in the code though, I don't mind putting in some hostnames on a domain whose DNS I control, and plugging our list (where is that list, by the way, I do not see it ha ha please lets come up with one) of STABLE nodes' IP address into DNS as hostnames. I can even spread the DNS providers / domain name providers out, as I have domains with Network Solutions and with Godaddy and with NameCheap, so even if two out of three of those providers goes down there will still be one provider left doing DNS for a host record that is (supposedly) the IP address of a STABLE node.

But, again, if the IP addresses are good its almost easier to put them into the code than into all three DNS/domain providers' DNS systems. And that allows us not to use boost's seemingly not all that great to use DNS-lookup code.

Maybe we should consider putting a "time to die" trigger in the code too, so people HAVE TO update their development-coin code regularly, it is after all all about development...

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April 29, 2013, 06:11:32 AM
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Maybe we should consider putting a "time to die" trigger in the code too, so people HAVE TO update their development-coin code regularly, it is after all all about development...

-MarkM-

This seems pretty reasonable to me. How difficult would it be to have the (official) client automatically push updates?

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April 29, 2013, 06:38:27 AM
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Pushing updates should probably be left to the distros, e.g. apt-get or yum or Windows Update or whatever a particular platform uses to automatically update its users' machine to latest versions of software.

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April 29, 2013, 08:08:52 AM
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Unthinkingbit, what is the waiting bounty on the multiple currency wallet?

I don't remember making a bounty for a multi currency wallet. I don't plan on making one until at least after the problems with the devcoin client are fixed.

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And do we have one for the electrum wallet port to dvc or multi coins?

No, because a port to electrum is waiting on devcoin being ported to 0.8.1+:

I have tried to make electrum work with dvc, but faild. It is not that we should update electrum to work with dvc, but should update dvc to work with electrum. because electrum need several api calls and features from those *coind. Once meet the requirement, electrum could easily be ported to any altcoin.

Once devcoin is ported to 0.8.1+, then there will be a one share bounty for an electrum wallet.

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April 29, 2013, 08:11:38 AM
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Once bitcoin settles down into a stable version it will be time to start a repo that has just bitcoin with merged mining patches applied.

Then from that each merged mined coin can start making its own mods to turn that into each specific merged mined coin. Devcoin is only one of several coins waiting for that.

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April 29, 2013, 08:12:13 AM
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Guys - can someone please make a Devcoin client for windows that is professional and easy to use and claim the bounty for that Smiley

I think the windows exe files already exist so it shouldn't be too hard for someone with the skills.

This will help in more people using Devcoin!

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April 29, 2013, 08:18:55 AM
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Can we please try to make a list of all STABLE nodes so I can plug them into the code so when someone builds a windows client it will be able to find connections?

I have a node intended to be stable at 198.154.60.183

Are there any others out there?

Once upon a time we were paying to have five stable nodes, I guess maybe as soon as we stopped paying they all shut down?

(Maybe part of the reason for choosing five was so each could get 1/5 of a generation share and it would add up to a whole number of shares?)

Note that coin daemons apparently take more memory as they get more connections, so we want these to be big nodes, not little virtual machines with half a gig or a gig of RAM. I am running mine on my 16 gigs of RAM dedicated server but my second dedicated server has 24 gigs of RAM so if the 16 gig ever isn't enough I could switch to using the 24 gig box. (Though that has a different IP address (on the same class C subnet) so I guess maybe putting a name in a DNS could be useful if DNS lookups work well, so that I could switch to the other box without needing to change an IP address hardcoded into the code.)

(I guess we should think up some standard names we will use for at least five stable servers, maybe the same names on different domains, like dvcstable1.knotwork.com, dvcstable1.decoin.org, dvcstable1.devcoin.com, dvcstable1.devtome,org and so on, maybe all of a given number pointing to the same stable node, and put into the code five or so different domains on which those hostnames can be found?)

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April 29, 2013, 08:41:41 AM
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Have 2 dvc seed nodes up & running now:

dvc.us.public.txn.co.in
dvc.eu.public.txn.co.in

both also available via Round Robin lookups with:

dvc.public.txn.co.in

If I can find a reasonably priced hosting provider in Hongkong or Singapore that takes btc - I'll add one there to round it out.

108.61.57.117 and 5.9.233.104 are the seed nodes you were after before, did you ever test it ?

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