Devcoin

[DiabloD3]

Guys - can someone please make a Devcoin client for windows that is professional and easy to use and claim the bounty for that

I think the windows exe files already exist so it shouldn't be too hard for someone with the skills.

This will help in more people using Devcoin!

Devcoin is pretty much the same client as bitcoin, at the time it was created.  What is the issue with the client you want to see addressed?

I'd be nice if it was re-forked from the 0.8.1 codebase so we can use leveldb.

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[twobits]

Can we please try to make a list of all STABLE nodes so I can plug them into the code so when someone builds a windows client it will be able to find connections?

I started a list...  did not get many.....   will post it to the wiki.


http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_seeds

[twobits]

Guys - can someone please make a Devcoin client for windows that is professional and easy to use and claim the bounty for that

I think the windows exe files already exist so it shouldn't be too hard for someone with the skills.

This will help in more people using Devcoin!

Devcoin is pretty much the same client as bitcoin, at the time it was created.  What is the issue with the client you want to see addressed?

I'd be nice if it was re-forked from the 0.8.1 codebase so we can use leveldb.

This is actually one of the reasons I don't want to see an upgrade right now.  Ever since I installed 0.8.1 I wind up having to wait for my block to get reindexed every few days.

[markm]

Okay here is what I started before coming back here to see that link to the wiki.

Code:

static const char *strDNSSeed[] = {
"dvcstable01.devcoin.org",      // 198.154.60.183:52333
"dvcstable02.devcoin.org",      // 198.154.60.61:52333
"dvcstable03.devcoin.org",      // 108.61.57.117:52333
"dvcstable04.devcoin.org",      // 5.9.233.104:52333
"dvcstable05.devcoin.org",      // ??? Need this one ???
"dvcstable01.devtome.com",      // 198.154.60.183:52333
"dvcstable02.devtome.com",      // 198.154.60.61:52333
"dvcstable03.devtome.com",      // 108.61.57.117:52333
"dvcstable04.devtome.com",      // 5.9.233.104:52333
"dvcstable05.devtome.com",      // ??? Need this one ???
};

I have put the four known IP addresses into the devcoin.org DNS as dvcstable01 through dvcstable04, and if we find a fifth stable node IP address the code will be able to start using it once we know it and put it into the DNS.

I am assuming the person who controls the devtome.com DNS will similarly put  those hostnames in the devtome DNS.

That way in case I get run over by a bus, someone else controls the DNS for the duplicate copies on the other domain.

devcoin.org is via GoDaddy, hopefully devtome.com is on some other domain-provider so we also are not depending on one domain/DNS provider.

Look okay so far?

Or is that strDNSSeed thing not just a list of nodes? What is this talk about some weird proprietary application that is supposed to put dynamic DNS of some kind on those hostnames? (Why would it say the port number is same as a node's port number if its a DDNS app not simply a node? I suspect this list is simply a list of nodes, by name, not a list of DDNS apps of some proprietary (or even non proprietary) kind.

Further down net.cpp I see

Code:

unsigned int pnSeed[] =
{
//    0x1ddb1032, 0x6242ce40, 0x52d6a445, 0x2dd7a445, 0x8a53cd47, 0x73263750, 0xda23c257, 0xecd4ed57,
//    0x0a40ec59, 0x75dce160, 0x7df76791, 0x89370bad, 0xa4f214ad, 0x767700ae, 0x638b0418, 0x868a1018,
};

Is that simply a list of IP address expressed as integers? If so what endian-ness? Does someone have a tool to turn our four known stable IP addresses into that format to plug in there?

-MarkM-

[twobits]

Look okay so far?

Or is that strDNSSeed thing not just a list of nodes? What is this talk about some weird proprietary application that is supposed to put dynamic DNS of some kind on those hostnames? (Why would it say the port number is same as a node's port number if its a DDNS app not simply a node? I suspect this list is simply a list of nodes, by name, nor a list of DDNS apps of some proprietary (or even non proprietary kind).

Further down net.cpp I see

Code:

unsigned int pnSeed[] =
{
//    0x1ddb1032, 0x6242ce40, 0x52d6a445, 0x2dd7a445, 0x8a53cd47, 0x73263750, 0xda23c257, 0xecd4ed57,
//    0x0a40ec59, 0x75dce160, 0x7df76791, 0x89370bad, 0xa4f214ad, 0x767700ae, 0x638b0418, 0x868a1018,
};

Is that simply a list of IP address expressed as integers? If so what endian-ness? Does osmeone have a tool to turn our four known stable IP address into that format to plug in there?

-MarkM-

Yep, these go in pnSeeds...   

unsigned int pnSeed[] =
{
  0xb73c9ac6,

is what I have for the first node you posted the other day.

[markm]

Okay so if someone can turn all four IP addresses into that format I can build a new old-devcoind-git and also put these same changes into old-devcoin-qt, along with a new checkpoint, and release new .tgz bundles in the Galactic Milieu file-downloads directory on sourceforge.

Presumably these coded ones are intended as final resort fallback in case the DNS ones don't work, so eventaully when we have more stable nodes we can leave our four or five backbone nodes in this coded fallback list and fill the DNS based part with new nodes to take, over time, more and more of the load off of these initial five (four only known so far) backbone nodes.

(Supernodes, if you're following that reptilian guy's diary... )

-MarkM-

[jasinlee]

I would like to suggest a bounty for bringing the devcoin client current to be capable of using the seed nodes. Of all the alt coins posted to an exchange it looks like dvc is the furthers behind on the clients. To keep the currency relevant we need to plan ahead, this looks to be a necessary step to continue the development of the currency.

Brilliant man, just brilliant.   You suggest a bounty to make the client capable of doing what is already is capably of doing.    You really like low effort bounties don't you.    Since this was told in discussions in the very thread that you quoted you either did not do your research or just felt like posting nonsense?

Over the past 10 years css and xhtml have become more prominent, this is a similar case where the standard method is changing and I would not want the clients to get so far behind that they would cause new users of dvc to give up in frustration. Good design will facilitate the new & update speed of users with regard to the blockchain, help tx propagation across the network, scale with as the number of users grows and provide a resilient mechanism for clients locating other clients.

You really do take that 'Blah Blah Blah' under your avatar seriously don't you?

Not sure if this has had a bounty requested yet, but this would address more than half of the new devcoin users that have trouble getting the client working. They are used to bitcoin and other clients, you install and no files needing downloaded and installed in specific directories.

This is being addressed already, do you read the posts?

I propose that we limit the number of proposal one person may make in some time span without paying a fee to propose more things.    This may make it so people actually think about, and research their proposal before doing something as silly as proposing a bounty for something that already is in the code.

Are you just an angry person or something? I would prefer not to have to ignore someone for simply being a douche when he is supposedly supporting dvc projects I am helping on. You seem to be the only person with a problem. I post my suggestions here so there can be a discussion that is logical for or against the concept. Who cares how many times I request something? Who cares if I ask for something you personally have a problem with? I have not seen any contributions by you yet that were helpful in any way. I fail to see how you have any place to stand in judgement of anyone here in the dvc community. If you cannot find a logical argument for or against a suggestion (and just because I suggest it does not mean it will happen) keep your silly commentary to yourself.

[markm]

Since most merged-mined coins, possibly excepting namecoin, probably have this same problem of their built in nodes lists being long out of date, I plan to go through them all doing this kind of fix, so whoever does find a tool to do the convert of IP address to integer I will be needing more IPs converted or a link to the tool...

-MarkM-

[twobits]

Are you just an angry person or something? I would prefer not to have to ignore someone for simply being a douche when he is supposedly supporting dvc projects I am helping on. You seem to be the only person with a problem. I post my suggestions here so there can be a discussion that is logical for or against the concept. Who cares how many times I request something? Who cares if I ask for something you personally have a problem with? I have not seen any contributions by you yet that were helpful in any way. I fail to see how you have any place to stand in judgement of anyone here in the dvc community. If you cannot find a logical argument for or against a suggestion (and just because I suggest it does not mean it will happen) keep your silly commentary to yourself.

You honestly do not find it a logical argument against it that it is not needed as we already have the bitcoin dns Seed code in the client?    Do you really feel this is a logical argument  against the proposal I just made?  We have different definitions of logic it seems.  I have recently created the first working windows binaries, and mac osx ones.  I have fixed up the receiver process to have more robustness.  I have gotten very positive feedback from the people who have tired it saying they failed before and now it works for them.  I have offered to do the work for the dns seed nameserver.    I have two other projects going on that people have asked me to help with in pms.  On the other hand I have yet to see anything you have done helpful.  I also have to doubt you read other peoples posts if you have missed all this.

[markm]

I have fixed up the receiver process to have more robustness.

Do you have a pull for that so I can pull it since I am about to release new versions with the stable nodes coded in?

-MarkM-

[twobits]

I have fixed up the receiver process to have more robustness.

Do you have a pull for that so I can pull it since I am about to release new versions with the stable nodes coded in?

-MarkM-

No,  I am currently not active on github etc. Was going to send the file to unthinkingbit after I got no more issues reported from the testers for a couple of days.  I also already have a fixed up net.cpp btw..     thought I posted it before... but this thread has become too busy for all its different uses.  I can send that along too somewhere.

[markm]

The new net.cpp has our four deisgnated backbone node IPs?

It surely cannot have the proposed hostnames oin devcoin-project domains where we will put the IPs of core nodes since I only just made up names for those and them into the devcoin.org DNS...

(The idea here is, we do not rely on random folk out on the net to keep their node hostnames actually pointed at up and running nodes, instead we plug their IP addresses into the DNS of devcoin-project domains that we control, so we can replace ones that try to screw us up or just plain vanish or whatever.)

I am thinking of asking deoublec if it is okay to plug the IP of his devcoin node in as the fifth core node. It maybe gets enough load on it already just being used for his merged mining pool though so he might prefer not.

-MarkM-

[twobits]

The new net.cpp has our four deisgnated backbone node IPs?

I responded to you on irc as this seems like stuff few others would care about.

I am thinking of asking deoublec if it is okay to plug the IP of his devcoin node in as the fifth core node. It maybe gets enough load on it already just being used for his merged mining pool though so he might prefer not.

doublec did post his node, but as a name, not an address.  So to me the only question would be if he expect to be able to move it and just change the name or if he will try and keep it at the same IP.

[psybits]

Guys - can someone please make a Devcoin client for windows that is professional and easy to use and claim the bounty for that

I think the windows exe files already exist so it shouldn't be too hard for someone with the skills.

This will help in more people using Devcoin!

Devcoin is pretty much the same client as bitcoin, at the time it was created.  What is the issue with the client you want to see addressed?

I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

[FuzzyBear]

Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth

He wrote 61,000 words of original material?

Or adequately re-worked in his own words three times that much of other people's material?

Even Stephen King doesn't write that much that fast does he?

-MarkM-

I was skeptical too, but looking through his userpage(http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:FinShaggy), every article I've checked looks original.

My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

is this actually original source material? or a Speech-2-Text editor running while a TV program is on....

Not pointing fingers and accusing, just wondering how we can avoid such instances occuring and whether this has been thought of... agreed 60,000 is a LOT of words.. I have been writing my little socks off and I no where near close to that

also seems to be a bit of tension between twobit and jasinlee... can we please leave the beef to those FeatherCoin and BTC-E trollbox threads.... I believe this has come about from the suggestions of a number of bounties from Jasinlee which have then either been completed by someone VERY fast after initial suggestion of the bounty, or is work that twobit is already working on or has finished the development... Unthinkingbit or markm can we please get a confirmation of how bounties are to be issued, and i like the idea of a 48hour rest period where the bounty can not be claimed untill 48 hours has expired from its initial confirmation as this allows all users to have a shot at trying to claim the bounty,

Devcoin has seen a massive increase in users and writers etc and there a LOT of coins up for grabs in the shares that are issued, it becomes hard to follow it all, but I think that reading all the posts before you post further suggestions is just a wise idea as it avoids unnecessary conflict or upsetting someone by suggesting something that someone else has already said they are working on for example.

Many thanks and hope you all enjoying devtome, devcoins and its community

[twobits]

I want it to be packaged in an idiot proof windows installer - and with the same modern skin as all the other crypto coins. e.g Litecoin, Feathercoin, Freicoin, PPCoin, pretty much any coin except Devcoin!

Also, the client should actually say Devcoin - not Bitcoin - on the gui.

There is already a bounty for this and I really, really think this is very necessary for Devcoin to grow it's user base.

All right,   so something like https://www.box.com/s/3smwokd1rt83andsfpsh

This seem to work for people that don't have, or delete old versions on their computer and clean out the old data directory. So it should work great for new users.  Not sure what to do about current ones yet.

[weisoq]

A few updates to my DVC Ticker app (should I post a separate thread for this?). You can now specify an amount of coins to convert, and the API requests are cached to reduce load on Vircurex (more exchanges are next on the list).

Here's an example of how this could be used:

There are 180000000 DVC generated every 4000 blocks (one "round"). Based on http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=daily_script_results, there are 107 shares (for devtome writing) and based on https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv, there are 71.6 other shares, for a total of 178.6 shares. 180000000 / 178.6 ~= 1007839 DVC.

A round's worth of DVC =
A single share =
Note that a bitcoin is worth

Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth

?! This is why I was referring to a max share per for writings that don't have any reference to the devtome/devcoin project itself, not because the concept isn't fair. Nobody else is going to say it so I will, but no submission of solely personal writing deserves that sort of payout, including mine. I appreciate I'm a newb and a nobody when it comes to decision making here, but that's playing the system and undermines the endeavour.

[FuzzyBear]

A few updates to my DVC Ticker app (should I post a separate thread for this?). You can now specify an amount of coins to convert, and the API requests are cached to reduce load on Vircurex (more exchanges are next on the list).

Here's an example of how this could be used:

There are 180000000 DVC generated every 4000 blocks (one "round"). Based on http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=daily_script_results, there are 107 shares (for devtome writing) and based on https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_23.csv, there are 71.6 other shares, for a total of 178.6 shares. 180000000 / 178.6 ~= 1007839 DVC.

A round's worth of DVC =
A single share =
Note that a bitcoin is worth

Also FinShaggy currently has 61 shares from word count alone! Worth

?! This is why I was referring to a max share per for writings that don't have any reference to the devtome/devcoin project itself, not because the concept isn't fair. Nobody else is going to say it so I will, but no submission of solely personal writing deserves that sort of payout, including mine. I appreciate I'm a newb and a nobody when it comes to decision making here, but that's playing the system and undermines the endeavour.

I have to agree somewhat with this issue raised here, as the content on devtome should benefit the devcoin community and there is a degree of questionable relevance against traffic that will be generated to the site from just having more posts.  However I think that the content that is more relevant to devcoins will get generally more traffic and generate more ad shares for those users with such postings. Though if devtome became the site to check for say Arrested Development reviews and articles then Finshaggy will have brought a whole lot more people to the site who do not necessarily know about devcoins and that is a good thing right?

Unthinkingbit and markm, your comments please?

[markm]

My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

It is the complete script of a free open source television program?

Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license?

Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript?

Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR.

Using speech recognition to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create?

-MarkM-

[FuzzyBear]

My only concern was for articles such as http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=feral_south

It is the complete script of a free open source television program?

Or a copyrighted script whose author has not donated it to the public domain or open source license?

Is it "fair use" excerpt or simple unauthorised transcript?

Maybe fan sites customarily post entire transacripts of episodes, but also many or most fan sites are actually illegal, its just that sometimes it profits a company not to get around to crushing them until they start to become lost revenue/traffic instead of increased revenue/traffic/PR.

Using speech recognistion to transcribe telly sounds like a great way to generate oodles of writing though, cool idea. I wonder if search engines woud find the results more "relevant" than the search engine's own output pages, that ocne upon a time were the most delectable spider-bait you could create?

-MarkM-

many thanks for your reply Markm,

Ok little digging round turns out to be a fiction book finshaggy is writing ... OP here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=180352.0
this raises the question of fictional content going onto devtome... i thought you can only be paid for non fiction articles? 

My views would be:
if a trans-script of an open source TV program then this should get 3/5 share for collated work,
if a complete trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should NOT be allowed,
if a part trans-script of an copyrighted TV program then this posting should be allowed within reason... say limit the earnings to max 1 share, or 3/5 share

Yeah the speech recognition software is something that I do have access to and did consider using but thought it an improper use of such software and would easily rack me up 100,000's of words easily, but would just spam devtome with lots of very random content so I did not think this in the underlying spirit of devcoin but the issue needs to be addressed as not all will be as fair playing as I. 

Depends what we are after though?  lots of content with high search hits, or good content with high search hits... think the credibility of the site is something that is more important in my view at the current time.

FuzzyBear

PS want to chime in and say sorry finshaggy for pointing out this out and sorry if u loose some shares you felt entitled to, but u have written a LOT and kinda drawn attention to yourself but keep up the good work all this needs to be addressed and sorted out before we have 1000 articles posted a day on such topics and the admins can't read and source all of these.

Again i'm sure i'll write up an article for clarification on what is acceptable writing and what is not as few emails I have received on such issues and few posts in this thread regarding such issues.