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August 06, 2015, 07:13:56 PM
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LOL! Putin won an internet poll that was open to anyone? Just goes to show who has the biggest paid army of trolls.

For the record, I wish Putin was in charge of America. There. Now he has a percent on people who want him here too.

God you Putin lovers are idiots  Roll Eyes

It depends on the language it was written in. I am in Ukraine now. If the poll was in Russian, I'd believe it. Half of the country speaks Russian, half speaks Ukrainian. Someone on a Russian news site who comes across a poll is more likely to side with Putin, someone on a Ukrainian news site who comes across a poll will prefer independent sovereignty.

Most won't want to be a part of the EU because of social differences and potential lost income through black market exports.
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August 17, 2015, 08:57:33 AM
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Italian authorities arrested yesterday a former Ukrainian MP, a co-founder of Committee for Salvation of Ukraine (a government in exile). The arrest was done on demand from Kiev on charges from 2007, when the MP prevented neo-Nazis from destroying the monument to Catherine the Great in Odessa, and which were twice thrown out of court in Ukraine before.

The MP came to Italy on a visit to talk to Italian MPs and to explain the real state of affairs in Ukraine to the Italian politicians.

Interestingly, Ukraine is in no hurry arresting Saakashvili, who is wanted internationally by Georgia on a much more serious charges

Interview: Ukraine Salvation Committee to help ex-deputy
http://tass.ru/en/world/814111

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August 23, 2015, 07:14:34 PM
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Just when I thought things couldn't get any more surreal, they did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1gqc69h8s

The occupational forces of NATO congratulated Ukraine with the Independence Day by doing the UPA (UIA) call. UPA was a paramilitary (read:terrorist) force that collaborated with Nazi German forces during WWII and which tortured and killed hundreds of thousands of Poles, Russians, Rusins, Jews and other nationalities that live in what is now Western Ukraine.

Thus NATO acknowledges its continuity to the Nazi Germany, which is not surprising, given the large number of Nazi war criminals, who found sanctuary in USA and Canada and who continued doing what they did before, but for the new masters.

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 24, 2015, 05:04:33 AM
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These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.

This, but unfortunately, this seems to be part of human nature, since it seems humanity is unable to learn its lesson.
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August 24, 2015, 10:23:52 PM
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These stupid conflicts severely damaged the sovereignty of the people....We learn nothing, we like 500 years ago but with smartphones to record the genocide.

This, but unfortunately, this seems to be part of human nature, since it seems humanity is unable to learn its lesson.

I'm wondering why this keeps happening indeed. I don't think it is really about being unable to learn. I guess it's more about unwilling to learn.. Unfortunately.

All these wars in the world does not make the world a better place. And honestly, I don't think we've seen the worst yet..

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August 25, 2015, 10:17:52 AM
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Important Breaking News and Latest Intel from Ukraine!
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/important-breaking-news-and-latest-intel-from-ukraine/

The article is very long and detailed in its analysis. I give some short fragments below:

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Donetsk Republic announced that they had uncovered secret plans for a new massive attack on Donetsk and Lugansk by Kiev.

I have translated/summarised the urgent announcement by DNR Defence Spokesman, Eduard Basurin.

DNR received this secret intel from high level sources within Kiev army ranks.  

Kiev amassed 90,000 troops on Ukraine/DNR-LNR (Novorossia) border, preparing to attack. This armed force includes 450 tanks, 2500 armored vehicles, 5 heavy rocket launchers Tochka-U and thousands in various artillery hardware. This army has been concentrated in four key locations. Mariupol, to attack Donetsk from the south; central to attack Donetsk from the west; third one to cut off Donetsk from Lugansk and fourth to attack Lugansk from the north. The reserve group is located behind these four army groupings. The north and south groupings will also cut off LNR and DNR from the Russian border in order to stop humanitarian assistance and close the circle around both republics, thus suffocating them.

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On August 24, Ukraine celebrates its independence day. According to intel, today Poroshenko (oligarch, president), Yatsenyuk (oligarch, PM) and Klichko (boxer, mayor of Kiev) will announce a coalition of their three parties in order to run together in the upcoming local elections.

Ukraine will have local elections in October. Poroshenko’s ratings are down and even his former cronies distrust him. The right sector is threatening to start maidan-3 at any moment. Attempts to start a new maidan have been made by various groups, mainly protesting the economic collapse, shortages, hyperinflation and unemployment. However, every protest attempt has been squashed.

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My intel says that people in cities of Kherson and Nikolaev (south/Black Sea area) would prefer the Opposition Block. It consists of sort of remnants of the Party of the Regions and certain minor oligarchs who are for better relations with Russia, while also maintaining closer relations with the EU. In addition to the above, there are also some relatively honest people in the Opposition Block.

In Odessa, if elections were semi-honest (and this is a huge IF), the winners could be the pro-Russian, pro-Odessa-autonomy, anti-Kiev party Rodina (Motherland), and possibly also Opposition Block. Rodina is one of the main forces still legally remaining in opposition. They used to have good positions in the city council, however, many of them had to flee Ukraine and are now in exile.

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Generally, Odessa is very oppressed and suppressed; people are afraid to speak up. The situation is very similar in Kiev, Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.

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The situation in Donbass is the following: Donbass is roughly divided into two halves. One half belongs with Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and another half is under junta occupation. We all remember that on May 11, 2014, the people of then Donetsk and Lugansk oblasts in their entirety voted in a referendum against Kiev junta and ukro-nazis, and for their independence. That was well before the war started.

It is understood that people all over the occupied parts of Donbass will vote for those candidates who are the closest to the Republics and furthest from the junta. This may create the situation in which these areas are formally under Kiev, but de-facto a part of LNR and DNR.

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Today Ukraine is celebrating its independence-from-Russia day. Some call it: ‘the independence from the common sense day.’

After participating in early celebrations and officially announcing his alliance with Yatsenyuk and Klichko, Poroshenko will the same day fly to Berlin to meet with Merkel and Hollande. Therefore, the announcement of the Porosh-Yats-Klich election coalition has been deliberately orchestrated to coincide with the independence day – for internal consumption, and with the trip to Berlin – for external consumption.

Poroshenko is trying to demonstrate something to the EU. That he is serious about staying in his post? That he means business and wants to win local elections? Or that he can in fact work with others? Or he thinks that’s how he can get more money? All of the above, I think.

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There is a school of thought that suggests that Russia is tying up a lot of resources supporting Donbass (about 2.5 million people left there since the war started), therefore, weakening her economy.

But Donbas is one of the most developed territories of the former Ukraine, which provided during good times up to 30% of Ukraine’s GDP. Donbass can support itself.

The rest of Ukraine is much larger in size and much less productive. Kiev, western and central Ukraine were subsidised by Donbass and the rest of the South-East.

Pay attention, US and EU taxpayers! US is stuck having to support the entire Ukraine: 30-35 million people and the territory the size of France. Nuland and US State Dept spent $5 bln to subvert Ukraine. How much do they spend daily now to KEEP UKRAINE ON LIFE SUPPORT, especially considering all the crooks and thieves in power, pocketing most of the US and EU infusions?

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 30, 2015, 07:06:39 PM
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Apparently, oligarch and criminal Kolomoiskij, who got shelter in the USA, appropriated 1.8 billion dollars from the IMF transfer, which was to hold the Ukrainian economy afloat, and that money were traced to his account in Cyprus.

A somewhat legible English article:
http://news.rin.ru/eng/news///126850/

The original article in German:
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2015/08/28/ukrainischer-oligarch-bereichert-sich-an-iwf-krediten/

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 30, 2015, 07:30:22 PM
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Always remember to check sources, as Lada Ray demonstrates in the following article:

Forbes Loses Credibility After Publishing Hoax About Fake Russian Losses in Ukraine
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/08/28/forbes-loses-credibility-after-publishing-hoax-about-fake-russian-losses-in-ukraine/comment-page-1/#comment-7225

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The fact that Forbes is not credible, along with all of American MSM, isn’t news. This is confirmed by the latest scandal, when Forbes and several other major US publications republished a hoax about supposedly leaked Russian losses numbering thousands. This info was quickly tweeted and retweeted by US officials and ‘experts,’ such as former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFall and current US ambassador to the OSCE Daniel Baer.

A Russian website with a seemingly big name “Business Life” published an article in which they discussed the pay and benefits of the Russian military. Somehow, at the end of this innocent article appeared ‘data about the real losses of the Russian military in Ukraine,’ supposedly leaked to the publication. Ukrainian MSM, and after them Forbes and other US publications, jumped on it without checking sources.

RT did its own investigation. They found no phone numbers for the Business Life site; the address provided by Google was false. They finally got in touch by email with someone who called himself a representative. This person emailed them back that the article in question was about the compensation in the Russian military, published on their site since February 2015. The article in question wasn’t edited since publication. Two days ago they started getting emails from readers, asking to explain the info in the end of the article. Upon investigation, they discovered that the article was hacked and unauthorized hoax about fake Russian losses in Ukraine was implanted. They took down the fake and traced the hackers’ IP address to Ukraine.

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August 31, 2015, 07:17:29 PM
Last edit: August 31, 2015, 09:20:31 PM by Nemo1024
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Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

Without getting into details of who started what, it seems another Maidan started in Kiev...

http://tass.ru/en/world/817660

...and EU is "worried":

http://tass.ru/en/world/817718

Feels like having a deja-vu...

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 31, 2015, 07:42:08 PM
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Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

Without getting into details of who stared what, it seems another Maidan started in Kiev...

http://tass.ru/en/world/817660

...and EU is "worried":

http://tass.ru/en/world/817718

Feels like having a deja-vu...

Thank you for this information.
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September 01, 2015, 05:16:31 PM
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Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

What? Again?!

I don't think it will be successful this time. Svoboda only has around 10% of the popular support and the general public is tired of war. And more importantly, Victoria Nuland will not be handing out $5 billion to topple the government this time. Poroshenko might be impotent, but the Americans need him as the Ukrainian president until they plunder all the national wealth.
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September 02, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
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Kiev may announce default is Rada does not approve the debt restructuring proposition:
http://ria.ru/world/20150902/1224714086?74837484

Shouldn't Ukraine have defaulted looong ago?

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September 07, 2015, 03:31:07 PM
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The level of hypocrisy in the following is so off the scale, that it's mind-boggling!

Head of IMF Lagard, who is now in Ukraine said in a statement that Ukraine demonstrates incredible signs of strengthening of its macroeconomy, that Ukraine surprised the world with its achievements in such a short timespan:

http://regnum.ru/news/economy/1964135.html

Yeah, right. I wonder who this info is aimed at? The "international investors" know about the ruined state of Ukrainian economy, which is past the default threshold.

I can say one thing. Russia faced the same type of praise from the West during Yeltsin's Wild 90s, when Russia was close to complete collapse both economically and as a state.



Russia refuses to write off Ukrainian debt (but will provide gas at a discounted price):

Russia not a hedge fund - Ukraine should pay debt in full
http://www.rt.com/business/314649-russia-ukraine-debt-payment/

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Russia will not enter into negotiations on restructuring Ukrainian debt, said Finance Minister Anton Siluanov, and Kiev must repay the $3 billion it owes Moscow in full by the December deadline.

"The $3 billion that we invested should be returned to Russia at the end of the year. We want to invest the funds in infrastructure and other projects, important to Russia. We need the money, especially in the present circumstances...Therefore we demand from our colleagues to return the full amount of the debt in accordance with the schedule,” said the minister on Monday.



‘Ukraine situation depends on its people’s patience, not on Russia’ – Putin
http://www.rt.com/politics/314397-situation-in-ukraine-depends-on/

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President Vladimir Putin has said that the further development of the Ukrainian crisis depended on the patience of the Ukrainian people, who might one day decide to end the “bacchanalia” performed by the Kiev regime.

“This does not depend on us, this depends on Ukraine itself and on the Ukrainian people – on how long the Ukrainian people will be able to put up with this bacchanalia,” Putin said when asked by reporters if he had an opinion on future development of the events in Ukraine.

Putin added that in his view the Ukrainian people had reason to be discontent.

“I consider it an insult to the Ukrainian people that their country has been put under foreign management – all key positions in the government and now in regional administrations are now occupied by foreigners. Is it possible that Ukraine is lacking civilized and honest people and qualified managers? I think there are such people in this country.”

Couldn't have said it better myself....

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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September 10, 2015, 09:13:23 PM
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Right now it's Russia, Ukraine and Moldova. In Moldova, the people of Transinistria wants to be part of Russia. The US has put sanctions on Russian officials. And in Ukraine, Ukrainian soldiers are battling pro-Russian militants in the east. If this turns into a war between NATO and Russia, then this war is basically the next World War. The eventual outcome would seem to be that the Ukraine will lose about 1/3rd of its remaining territory, having already lost the Crimea.
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September 13, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
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In Moldova, the people of Transinistria wants to be part of Russia.

Transnistria is already an independent country, outside the control of the Moldovan government. However, there is another restive province called Gagauzia, which is trying to break away from Moldova right now. As of now, the province is controlled by Moldova. But the population is strongly pro-Russian, and they want to break away. 
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September 26, 2015, 03:39:40 PM
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Meanwhile in Ukraine... Epic fail.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/europe/in-ukraine-corruption-concerns-linger-a-year-after-a-revolution.html?_r=4
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ROFLMAO. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Officials such as Petro Poroshenko and Arseniy Yatsenyuk are only getting the leftovers, thrown towards them by the American corporations and career politicians such as Hunter Biden. The Americans are plundering the natural wealth of Ukraine, and no one will realize it until it is all over.
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September 26, 2015, 06:55:11 PM
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A short report from the madhouse that is Ukraine.
I previously told about how Yatsenjuk "blockaded" Crimea, thus harming Ukrainian farmers and truck driver.

Now Yatsenjuk forbade Russian airline companies to fly in Ukrainian airspace (even though such decision legally is not within his jurisdiction). Ukraine will lose transit fees from passing Russian air traffic. Aeroflot will not be able to fly route Kiev-Moscow. About 80% of the passengers on this route are Ukrainian citizens, who work in Russia. These will have to fly a detour through, for example, Amsterdam (EU transit visa needed) or Dubai, incurring additional costs to these Ukrainians.

As a Ukrainian/Russian saying goes, "I'll freeze off my nose to spite grandma". This is exactly what is happening in Ukraine.

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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September 26, 2015, 07:08:52 PM
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Meanwhile, Ukraine lost crimea (forever) , lost a part of the south-eastern provinces (at least), lack of money, still dependant with Gazprom, corruption will never end, violence... etc

Such a beautiful country ruined by the NATO (political side) & Russians (land side) !
Hope it will recover from this mess soon!

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September 26, 2015, 07:16:59 PM
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Meanwhile, Ukraine lost crimea (forever) , lost a part of the south-eastern provinces (at least), lack of money, still dependant with Gazprom, corruption will never end, violence... etc

Such a beautiful country ruined by the NATO (political side) & Russians (land side) !
Hope it will recover from this mess soon!

During the last century Ukraine's territory was growing steadily at the cost of Russian lands (as well as, to a lesser degree, Hungarian and Polish), so call it karma. Smiley

The only blame that I can lay on Russia for the current mess in Ukraine, is that Russia did not intervene much earlier, and gave the likes of Nudelman and Biden the free run of the country for so many years. Once Russia was back on track after the desolation of the 90s, it should have paid a much closer attention to what was being done to its closest (in all aspects - economical, cultural, territorial, ethnic) neighbour.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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