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hmm...things in ukraine are now better...putin is angry because croatia send people there...he said that croatia have to call them back  |
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deisik
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February 12, 2015, 09:24:55 PM |
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Other than Balthazar, I don't think there is any Russian / Ukrainian citizen active here. Most of the former-USSR users are not comfortable in English, and therefore they might be more inclined to discuss this issue in the Russian language forums. I think that from 300 millions inhabitants of the former USSR we can found enough people who are good in english There was more discussion about a year ago, when the Russians suddenly started a lot of threads about Ukraine. But since then, they've alienated everyone else with their Russian bigotry, racism, sexism, xenophobia, historical revisionism, and their aggressive insistence that the "Russian media is correct, and everyone else is wrong". It's fucking annoying. It would be understandable if they at least behaved like normal people and occasionally altered their views in light of new information, and acknowledged when they made a mistake. But that never happens! They only come here to preach and spread propaganda. As far as I remember, there was much debate about who shot down the Malaysian flight MH17 back then, right? So, you can now show us the official report with a conclusion that states it was the militia who had shot down the plane, can't you?  You may want to speak facts...  Looks like you're asking clown to be serious... Facts and blablahblah are incompatible by definition. How about, you and Deisik, rigorously explain what "fact" means, and post it here. Do not use a dictionary definition. Nemo can also help you. He seems to have a lot of time. Tell everyone how you can know any facts about Ukraine, even though you are sitting comfortably at your computers, probably 1000s of km and several time-zones away from the fighting. Part 2, explain the word "belief", and tell us why it does not apply to your superior knowledge about Ukraine. Fact is what has happened in reality. So, when speaking, for instance, about racism you should first of all speak of the U.S., and long before Russia even comes to your mind at that (just one conspicuous example)... |
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February 12, 2015, 10:55:02 PM |
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hmm...things in ukraine are now better...putin is angry because croatia send people there...he said that croatia have to call them back wow, really? i know some guys from croatia and slovenia who fighting on separatists side right now |
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Souldream
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February 13, 2015, 10:49:33 AM |
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YEs and during the meeting 50 tanks crossed the border in east of Ukraina.... Poutine failed actually with the economic in russia .... when you have no more power ... it remains you the -> Nationalism way ..... And is proof well the actual status about Russian .... |
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deisik
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February 13, 2015, 11:41:26 AM
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YEs and during the meeting 50 tanks crossed the border in east of Ukraina.... Poutine failed actually with the economic in russia .... when you have no more power ... it remains you the -> Nationalism way ..... And is proof well the actual status about Russian .... Ok, now we have endless tanks crossing the Ukropian border all the time, hordes of regular Russian soldiers fighting with the Ukropian army, Russian artillery incessantly shelling the Ukropian cities... If so, how come that Ukropia doesn't declare war on Russia, Porosenko shakes hands with Putin, and an OSCE rep says there are no Russian troops in Ukropia? |
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February 13, 2015, 12:16:42 PM |
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A broken clock is right twice a day. I would be impressed if somebody predicted something like West Ukraine leaving Ukraine and it ended up happening without any warning in advance. In Ukraine's case, since breakup of Soviet Union, it was evident there was going to be clash between the Ukrainophiles and Russophiles.. and there was past precedent for this, like the Ukrainian lands before WW2 or after USSR like Russian influence in Transnistria.
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Balthazar
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February 13, 2015, 12:27:44 PM |
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YEs and during the meeting 50 tanks crossed the border in east of Ukraina.... Poutine failed actually with the economic in russia .... when you have no more power ... it remains you the -> Nationalism way ..... And is proof well the actual status about Russian .... Ok, now we have endless tanks crossing the Ukropian border all the time, hordes of regular Russian soldiers fighting with the Ukropian army, Russian artillery incessantly shelling the Ukropian cities... If so, how come that Ukropia doesn't declare war on Russia, Porosenko shakes hands with Putin, and an OSCE rep says there are no Russian troops in Ukropia? Don't forget about using trucks for coal transportation.  |
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Balthazar
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YEs and during the meeting 50 tanks crossed the border in east of Ukraina.... Poutine failed actually with the economic in russia .... when you have no more power ... it remains you the -> Nationalism way ..... And is proof well the actual status about Russian .... Ok, now we have endless tanks crossing the Ukropian border all the time, hordes of regular Russian soldiers fighting with the Ukropian army, Russian artillery incessantly shelling the Ukropian cities... If so, how come that Ukropia doesn't declare war on Russia, Porosenko shakes hands with Putin, and an OSCE rep says there are no Russian troops in Ukropia? Don't forget about using trucks for coal transportation. Why I'm not surprised? Because Souldream is a chronic liar, maybe?  |
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February 13, 2015, 09:47:59 PM |
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stop fudding putin
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deisik
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February 13, 2015, 09:57:07 PM
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Now I understand why a lot of reports from Ukraine are "crazy". Actually, there is a theory (somewhat eerie) that Ukropian population eats bread contaminated with ergot (a fungal disease of rye and other cereals), from which LSD was first obtained. Eating ergot contaminated food results in convulsive symptoms, that's why Ukropians have an irresistible urge to dance and twitch incessantly... |
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Nemo1024
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February 13, 2015, 09:59:26 PM
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When I watched the meeting unfold yesterday and read about the results, I felt cautiously pessimistic. http://rt.com/news/231571-putin-minsk-ukraine-deal/The reason for it is three-fold: 1. Almost exactly 1 year ago US gave green light for a violent coup d'etat one day after another agreement was signed 2. September Minsk agreements were observed only by one side - the freedom fighters, so there is no reason to think that this time it will be different. 3. Continued sanctions against Russia for brokering peace in Ukraine. Check out the following statement by Kerry: http://rt.com/news/231827-us-sanctions-russia-minsk/It's as if he is saying: Yeah, sure, they think we'll allow them to have peace. US will do anything to keep the pretext for sanctions against Russia - the current war against ethnic Russians by Ukrainian Nazis - in place for as long as possible. As if to confirm this, Merkel, when asked if the newly-agreed upon sanctions against Russia will be put into effect on the 16th, one day after the supposed ceasefire - simply said: Yes. And Poroshenko barely left Minsk, when a powerful explosion rocked Donetsk this night, an explosion that was felt as far as Gorlovka. Yarosh, the head of Kiev-nazis took responsibility for this act of terror, saying that they fired Tochka-U ballistic missile at Donetsk. Lugansk was heavily shelled from artillery today, resulting in more civilian deaths. Around 15 battalions stated that they will no longer report to Poroshenko, but to Right Sector. An Poroshenko hinted that Minsk agreements are not really compulsory. The violence just further escalates, with US and NATO voicing louder and louder sending weapons to Ukraine - not a good start for a "ceasefire". So the last warning by Zaharchenko may well be enacted: Head of the Donetsk People’s Republic Aleksandr Zakharchenko, who signed the Minsk document, said it required additional consultation and warned that “if these terms are broken, there will be no new meetings or memoranda.” |
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‘Get NATO, foreign countries out of Ukraine to end civil war’ – Ron Paulhttp://rt.com/news/232435-get-nato-foreigners-out-ukraine/The best thing for Ukraine is to force NATO, the US, and regional players out of the country, former US congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul said. Without foreign meddling in the civil war, Kiev will focus on the nation's economic collapse.
“Get the foreigners out of there [Ukraine], get the Europeans out, the US out, get NATO out, and get the Russians out,” Paul said at the International Students for Liberty Conference in Washington on Friday. “There will be less of a civil war going on there because they will have to worry about their debt. This is an economic matter too. You have to realize that the country is totally bankrupt.” I really like this man. US would have been much better off with him as a president...
And a good Op-Edge with Jeffrey Sommers, of Wisconsin-Milwaukee University ‘Putin’s main interest - survival of Russia’http://rt.com/op-edge/232003-ukraine-minsk-talks-russia-ceasefire/ RT: Yesterday UK Prime MinisterDavid Cameron said that “we should be very clear that Vladimir Putin needs to know that unless his behavior changes the sanctions we have in place won’t be altered.” What do you have to say to that? All the responsibility lying with President Putin pretty much…
JS: I would disagree with that. I think that Vladimir Putin’s interest is in the survival of Russia, and frankly the survival of himself, as well. In other words, the assumption of people like Cameron and others is that Putin is out to build a greater Russia. And I don’t think that is the case. What instead we have is the defense of the national interest and that encroaching upon Eastern Ukraine is just one step too far for a country that greatly shrank after the dismantling of the Soviet Union. The prospect of putting a hostile alliance directly on its borders in the very place where it lost tens of millions of people during WWII is really unacceptable.
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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The front-line seems to be calm, with the exception of Shirokino. Shirokino is a village to the east of Mariupol (population of around 1,000) which was captured by the Kiev troops a few days ago. Meanwhile, the militia has asserted their control over Novogrigorovka, a small village in the Debaltsevo pocket.
May be in the next few days, all those civilians who fled their homes will be able to return.
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February 20, 2015, 08:42:12 AM |
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The front-line seems to be calm, with the exception of Shirokino. Shirokino is a village to the east of Mariupol (population of around 1,000) which was captured by the Kiev troops a few days ago. Meanwhile, the militia has asserted their control over Novogrigorovka, a small village in the Debaltsevo pocket.
May be in the next few days, all those civilians who fled their homes will be able to return.
There are rumors that the next target of the militia (after the Debaltsevo cauldron is done with) will be Mariupol. Yesterday the Ukropian troops were heavily shelling Donetsk (as a revenge for their fiasco in Debaltsevo, I guess), so the recent truce seems to be effectively over... |
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February 20, 2015, 10:53:32 AM |
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There are rumors that the next target of the militia (after the Debaltsevo cauldron is done with) will be Mariupol. Yesterday the Ukropian troops were heavily shelling Donetsk (as a revenge for their fiasco in Debaltsevo, I guess), so the recent truce seems to be effectively over... Capturing Mariupol will be extremely difficult. It is a city of some 500,000 people. The total militia strength is somewhere around 30,000. With that much manpower, they won't be able to attack Mariupol and defend the remaining territories at the same time. |
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February 20, 2015, 11:34:07 AM
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There are rumors that the next target of the militia (after the Debaltsevo cauldron is done with) will be Mariupol. Yesterday the Ukropian troops were heavily shelling Donetsk (as a revenge for their fiasco in Debaltsevo, I guess), so the recent truce seems to be effectively over... Capturing Mariupol will be extremely difficult. It is a city of some 500,000 people. The total militia strength is somewhere around 30,000. With that much manpower, they won't be able to attack Mariupol and defend the remaining territories at the same time. schatz, as long as the subtrashes manipulated against know the faith that expect them, I don't expect much resistance. Anyway, remember it ain't kids fighting ala amerikis... it's the real world, Long Live the Russian Federation and the REAL MENS AND WOMEN RISKING IT ALL TO DEFEND IT AGAINST THE SCUMBAGS OF THE WEST. (sorry for those dirty letters that have enslaved so many... but you know it). bahh bahh. regards, p.s. and for those of the others side, I wish you a swift death, for you and your allies WW. after the conquest come the revenge for having deared. And a lot of "tribute" will be necessary if you want to see the light of the next morning... Welcome peons, here are REALITY BEGININGS. |
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February 20, 2015, 11:41:28 AM |
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They don't need to capture the city... Some random diversions against UAF personnel would be enough to create a persistent source of butt pain for Yats & Porky.
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