Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution.

[BierKoch]

That´s right. Don´t trust the power of evil.

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[Rassah]

Reposted from another author:

I received a link to this story few days ago and felt I had to share it with English-speaking community, so I took time to translate it.
Please take time to read and hopefully you will feel like sharing it in your circles.
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Hans de Borst, whose 17 year old daughter Elsemiek de Borst was killed in the shot down MH17 plane, wrote a letter addressed to Vladimir Putin, President of Russia:
"I thank you very much, Vladimir Putin, separatist leaders and Ukrainian government, for murdering my beloved and only daughter Elsemiek. She was 17. She wanted to become an architect.
Gentlemen, I hope you are proud to have killed my daughter and tomorrow you’ll be able to look in the mirror. I hope this letter will reach you, maybe in English, and, being intellectuals, you’ll be able to read it.
Thanks again. Best wishes.
Elsemiek’s father, Hans de Borst,
whose life is ruined."
Ukrainian citizen, Alexandra Kovalyova, wrote him a letter.
Dear Hans de Borst,
Perhaps you will never see this letter and perhaps this is even for the better.
I am very sorry that your daughter died in Boeing 777 downed by Russian terrorists over my country. Unlike Russia, my country never waged wars and lived through terrorist attacks. That’s why every death for us is a terrible shock. That’s why Ukrainians gather these days in front of the Embassy of Netherlands, bringing piles of flowers, candles and toys for killed children, for your daughter too. I know you must be thinking we cannot imagine your feelings now. You are right. But we are honest in our feelings.
My name is Alexandra, I live in Ukraine and when there’s a thunderstorm at night, I wake up in cold sweat, dreading that my town is being bombed.
You mentioned your daughter was 17 and she wanted to become an architect.
Please meet Sergey Nigoyan. He was 21 and the only son in his family. He has fallen the first victim of our ex-dictator Victor Yanukovich. After him there were 100 more, shot to death, blown up or burned. Many of them were the only sons, daughters, mothers and fathers. Their bodies were laid in a church right opposite my home. And when we were crying for justice, your European leaders were negotiating with the murderer Yanukovich. And when we were burying our dead, European leaders were demanding from Ukrainian opposition (who became government now and whom you are also addressing) to sign a peace treaty with Yanukovich and allow a murderer to stay in his presidential chair for another year. Our lives were of no value to your governments.
Do you know what it is like to have a neighboring country that treats you like their vassal? You may be even thinking yourself that Ukraine is Russia’s vassal. Your ancestors though knew well what it was like. But that was during Middle Ages, when your country fought for its independence from Spanish Empire. Too long ago for you to imagine what is happening now between Ukraine and Russia.
And you don’t have to. This is none of your business. It is for world politicians to deal with issues like that.
We thought so too.
When Putin annexed a part of Ukrainian territory, Crimean peninsula, we expected Western leaders to do what they had promised. Great Britain, USA and France in particular had signed a Budapest memorandum with Ukraine in 1994, according to which they had to ensure safety of my country. Having signed this memorandum, Ukraine surrendered all its nuclear weapons, because the safety of the country was now warrantied by Western powers. Had not West insisted on signing this treaty by Ukraine, it would still have nuclear power and Russia would had never dared to do what it did and no one would shoot down the plane with your daughter on board. But unfortunately Ukraine was honest and did everything according to the treaty, unlike European countries and USA, who have broken it with ease. USA and Great Britain did nothing but senseless talking, and France with its president Orland in the head not only broke the treaty, but did not stop selling its new warships to Russia, the aggressor country. Why so? Because it is good for business. As it was good for Europe to collaborate with Hitler in the 30s, feed him Poland and Czech Republic, forgive him Austria. And it was easy too, did not require turning consciousness on. I doubt you’d expect real justice from people like that.
When Putin started to move his terrorists into the Eastern regions of my country and provide them with heavy munition, politicians of the European Union did nothing to stop him. They urged my government to negotiate with Russian terrorists, who cut civilians open. And they also applied some sanctions that did not change a thing, some toy sanctions to pretend Europe was doing something.
Now, when Russia openly fires at Ukraine from its own territory, frau Merkel sits next to Putin ant the Soccer World Cup and shakes his hand. Did anyone tell you that now Russia is openly bombing Ukraine? Of course, not. Your media do not like to write about it. Why do you have to know that only few hundred kilometers away from EU a war is being waged full speed and the only sons and daughters of Ukrainian parents are dying now by thousands? Yesterday, on July 20, two Ukrainian school kids blew up on a mine installed by Russian terrorists. They were 15 and 16. You are not told about this because you don’t need to know that the country supplying you with oil and gas blows up Ukrainian kids. Ukrainian kids are not good for business, but gas and oil – very much so. Every time you fill your gas tank, remember that you may be filling it with fuel made of Russian oil. Every time you put a pot on a stove to cook your supper, you may be using Russian gas. These Russian oil and gas, that are so good for business, made European politicians turn away from not-so-good-for-business Ukraine, break their own international obligations and pretend nothing was happening for all these months.
I am not saying that Ukrainian government is innocent. After all in February this government, still being only an opposition, and under pressure from your European politicians still agreed to sign a shameful treaty with Yanukovich. And the fact that this treaty never went in effect is partially due to Ukrainian people, who simply did not allow this to happen.
So before you accuse Ukrainian government, maybe you consider including your European governments on the list of those responsible for your daughter’s death. After all, it is them who were holding backroom talks with Putin for all these months, it is them, who refused to listen, when Ukrainian government was shouting loud that Russia started the war. It is them, your politicians, made our government negotiate with pro-Russian terrorists, the armed ones, the same ones who shot down the Boeing with your daughter on board, your beautiful, gifted and happy Elsemiek. Are you expecting justice served? Do you believe your governments will be able to provide it? The same politician who shake hands with Putin? To tell you the truth, I have doubts.
I am in no way connected to Ukrainian politicians, government of business.
I cannot imagine the magnitude of your loss.
Most likely, you do not care about what I say.
I am simply a Ukrainian girl, who wakes up during a night thunderstorm in fear that her city is being bombed.
But still – I am very sorry.
Alexandra Kovalyova.

[Matze]

This seems like your average proxy war over resources and prestige.

[chopstick]

This seems like your average proxy war over resources and prestige.

That, and attempting to install pre-emptive first-strike nuclear missile shield around Russia.

[chopstick]

Ukrainian National Guard POW testifies about Ukrainian war crimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7raRDuFzmBQ

[Rassah]

This seems like your average proxy war over resources and prestige.

Partially yes. It's not helped by the conflicting history of the two territories. Ukraine views itself as always having been an independent nation, established way before Russia, and constantly fighting off invaders from Russia and Poland (who, by the way, often took Ukrainians into slavery), while Russia sees itself as having been formed from Ukraine, with Ukraine being the original part of Russia, and thus believes that Ukraine has always been part of Russia and should reunite with it (regardless of what its population wants).

Ukrainian National Guard POW testifies about Ukrainian war crimes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7raRDuFzmBQ

Wow. Confession under torture?

[Bitwayup85]

it's crazy too see what's happening when i'm sitting safely in the usa not worring about any similar problems. it's scary just thinking about it.

[Balthazar]

It was strange day... I've met my old friend two days ago, I didn't talk with him during last year... I was surprised and disappointed a bit. I have no idea how they're doing this, but his rhetoric was identical with used by some maidan trolls. He used all typical cliches like "Putler", "europe will help us", etc.  He refused to answer any questions directrly through constant changing of subject. Besides this, I heared many interesting things about myself, like "you're a zombie and victim of propaganda", "fucking idiot putinist" etc.

I was labeled like avatar of evil despite I haven't said anything about my own point of view, just asked him about his one and tried to criticize it. And the most strange thing here is that he considers such type of rhetoric as absolutely normal. He was very surprised when received GTFO suggestion after another Ad Hominem statement. And now, imagine that, he asking for help with squid configuration... After all that he have said before, it's just fucking amazing. %)

I didn't see previously known and rational thinking person. He shown a total absence of critical thinking, unconditional rejection of all argumentation, incredible degree of unprovoked agression, combined with constant Ad Hominem claims, and I can't recognize this person. Like I don't know him and never seen him before.

Maybe it's infection like rabies, who knows... But now I really think that we need a cure. This shit must be stopped.

[Nemo1024]

Balthazar, your observation seems to resonate with the state of mind of the Germans in Hitler Germany, as demonstrated by one letter from home, found on the body of a dead soldier after Stalingrad battle. A line in there went something like this: "we all here are appalled at Russian audaciousness at continuing to resist."

By the way, a video worth watching (English subs). It's an appeal to the peoples of Europe from Novorossia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9_iWgVFmrQ

Also, interview with Putin's advisor Glazjov (subtitled). He is a very smart man, and the analysis he presents is much to the point of what is happening now. It's not about Ukraine, it never was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cikvqdMRTTA

[Rassah]

It was strange day... I've met my old friend two days ago, I didn't talk with him during last year... I was surprised and disappointed a bit. I have no idea how they're doing this, but his rhetoric was identical with used by some maidan trolls. He used all typical cliches like "Putler", "europe will help us", etc.  He refused to answer any questions directrly through constant changing of subject. Besides this, I heared many interesting things about myself, like "you're a zombie and victim of propaganda", "fucking idiot putinist" etc.

NEWSFLASH: Outsider visits someone with personal experience, and is surprised when all that same propaganda that the insider has heard many times before is angrily dismissed as propaganda. Tomorrow, watch as a Spanish Catholic priest is appalled at the angry African's "rude behavior" after telling him that condoms should be avoided because AIDS is not a problem in Africa.

[hdbuck]

It was strange day... I've met my old friend two days ago, I didn't talk with him during last year... I was surprised and disappointed a bit. I have no idea how they're doing this, but his rhetoric was identical with used by some maidan trolls. He used all typical cliches like "Putler", "europe will help us", etc.  He refused to answer any questions directrly through constant changing of subject. Besides this, I heared many interesting things about myself, like "you're a zombie and victim of propaganda", "fucking idiot putinist" etc.

NEWSFLASH: Outsider visits someone with personal experience, and is surprised when all that same propaganda that the insider has heard many times before is angrily dismissed as propaganda. Tomorrow, watch as a Spanish Catholic priest is appealed at the angry African's "rude behavior" after telling him that condoms should be avoided because AIDS is not a problem in Africa.

AIDS is the least of their problem in africa.

[Balthazar]

It was strange day... I've met my old friend two days ago, I didn't talk with him during last year... I was surprised and disappointed a bit. I have no idea how they're doing this, but his rhetoric was identical with used by some maidan trolls. He used all typical cliches like "Putler", "europe will help us", etc.  He refused to answer any questions directrly through constant changing of subject. Besides this, I heared many interesting things about myself, like "you're a zombie and victim of propaganda", "fucking idiot putinist" etc.

NEWSFLASH: Outsider visits someone with personal experience, and is surprised when all that same propaganda that the insider has heard many times before is angrily dismissed as propaganda. Tomorrow, watch as a Spanish Catholic priest is appealed at the angry African's "rude behavior" after telling him that condoms should be avoided because AIDS is not a problem in Africa.

If you have nothing to say then it's better to be silent rather than make senseless statements. I'm sorry for crash of another illusion right now, but in this context you are the only outsider.

[Rassah]

NEWSFLASH: Outsider visits someone with personal experience, and is surprised when all that same propaganda that the insider has heard many times before is angrily dismissed as propaganda. Tomorrow, watch as a Spanish Catholic priest is appealed at the angry African's "rude behavior" after telling him that condoms should be avoided because AIDS is not a problem in Africa.

AIDS is the least of their problem in africa.
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Uh, what's your point? You agree that they shouldn't use condoms because it's a sin and AIDS isn't a problem? Not sure why the level of its problem is, relevant, since my point is that people get pissed when others who have no idea what their life is like spread bullshit and lies against them as if they know better.

[247crypto]

Secret weapons om Maidan war machine.

[Balthazar]

http://bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-26465465

[Coinhunter32]

This kind of things could be a triggering factors to the next world war,the conflicts in the middle east and now this amongst russians.

[hdbuck]

hehehe gogo french veterans. they know better. they served NATO.  ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SPc8jxAEM#t=64

[Balthazar]

hehehe gogo french veterans. they know better. they served NATO.  ^^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1SPc8jxAEM#t=64

Ahaha I like the comments...

Francois Parquet 15 hours ago
 
I'm French, and they speak English with a French accent (which is kind of similar to the Slavic accent in English). Pashol Nahui Poroshenko!
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[Rassah]

Hah! So now we're turning to the French to ask what is right and who should be supported? The same guys who support the dictator in Chad and other parts of Africa, and who supported dictators in Middle East? You guys are funny  

[Nemo1024]

A few days ago a well-renowned German economist, industrialist and a former owner of a multinational company Vorstandschef der Thyssen AG, Dieter Spethmann, published an open letter addressing the German politicians to open their eyes on the events in Ukraine. He first tried to publish his open letter in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, but was declined. He published his letter then in Geolitico:

http://www.geolitico.de/2014/08/22/berlin-und-der-krieg-der-kiew-junta/
Google translate


One of the aspects that he draw the attention of the Germany’s politicians to, is that Yatsenjuk and the coup-government always make their announcements against the background of Ukrainian and EU flags. The fact that Europe keeps silent about the atrocities committed in East-Ukraine, and gives a silent go-ahead to commit them under the EU flag, makes EU complicit in these atrocities. The politicians of EU will do well in re-reading the verdicts of the Nürenberg process.


Then, there is this Dutch open letter, translated into three other languages:
http://ommekeer-nederland.nl/brief-met-excuses-aan-president-putin/
People's comments there are well worth reading as well. Many pleas from Russia to Europe to stop the madness and open its eyes.

Also on topic this digest blog post:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/25/germans-fed-up-with-nato-lies-us-wars/

And:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/25/guest-column-germany-america-frightens-us-roman-baudzus/

Dear Friends: I am pleased to be able to share with you this revealing article written for our website by the editor of an important website in Germany.

Washington’s lies echoed by the presstitute media that serves Washington are destroying Washington’s credibility and that of the Western media among Europeans, especially Germans who understand that the threat to peace comes from across the Atlantic, not from east of the Oder River.

The success or failure of Vladimir Putin’s bet that reasonable diplomacy and unprovocative behavior on Russia’s part will contrast favorably with the shrill provocations by Washington depends upon whether European politicians respond to their own citizens or continue in their role as Washington’s whores.  PCR

Nothing revolutionary after Poroshenko-Putin meeting in Minsk:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140827/192388946/Questions-Left-Unanswered-at-Putin-Poroshenko-Minsk-Talks.html

“We didn’t substantively discuss that, and we, Russia, can’t substantively discuss the conditions for a ceasefire, or agreements between Kiev, Donetsk and Luhansk. That’s not our business, it’s up to Ukraine itself," Putin told reporters early Wednesday.