[DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too

[millsdmb]

It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.
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Doesn't it look, based on this link, that the block was actually mined by Eligius?

http://blockchain.info/block-index/404514

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[eleuthria]

It looks like Deepbit hasn't found a block since your miner payout was started.  Deepbit historically has not included proper fees for miner payouts, relying on their own pool to confirm the payout transaction for free instead.  At the current pool hash rate, that might be a very long wait.

Doesn't it look, based on this link, that the block was actually mined by Eligius?

http://blockchain.info/block-index/404514

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Looks like users got lucky and the coins used for the payments aged enough to be caught even without fees.   Almost half the transactions in that block were Deepbit payouts, and not a single one paid a transaction fee.

[millsdmb]

Looks like users got lucky and the coins used for the payments aged enough to be caught even without fees.   Almost half the transactions in that block were Deepbit payouts, and not a single one paid a transaction fee.
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I've remained mum awaiting response from anyone representing Deepbit, but I guess there is none. And people ask me why I mined with them. I haven't had much of an answer for that as I haven't known anything else since I mined for a brief period around 2011 on my GPU and only recently regained interest with the ASICs. Another helpful member of these forums pointed out that they do not support Stratum as would be best for such chips. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266584.msg2851130#msg2851130)

Also, a friend of mine who is also on these boards did confirm that his worker payouts from BTC Guild are sent with an appropriate fee to support the network. Irrespective of the size of my particular transaction, I find it disappointing that Deepbit does not do this, especially if they aren't mining their own worker payments with the pool's hashrate. Why should another pool essentially process Deepbit's payroll?

[os2sam]

And people ask me why I mined with them. I haven't had much of an answer for that as I haven't known anything else since I mined for a brief period around 2011 on my GPU and only recently regained interest with the ASICs. Another helpful member of these forums pointed out that they do not support Stratum as would be best for such chips.

Well one answer is that Deepbit is probably, over the long haul, the most reliable pool, ever.

[Tycho] has implied that he will implement stratum but still has not.  So if he doesn't get that done and fairly soon Deepbit may well be done.

I still use this pool as a backup pool but as the hashrate keeps dropping and the difficulty keeps rising that isn't really viable.

I would hate to see Deepbit disappear.  I know I'm the minority in that thought, but providing a service like this is a business and it's sad to see so many people dislike this pool because they don't like common sense business practices.

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

[millsdmb]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has affected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

[os2sam]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Merged Mining.

Implementing anti pool hopping measures that always end up catching non hoppers and piss off once loyal users.

Implementing other payout methods with settings that can cause the operator to risk loss.

[millsdmb]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

[os2sam]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

When Deepbit was the largest pool people were screaming how he was scamming people for charging 10% for PPS.  Now that several pools have gone under or have suffered serious losses for having no fee or too low fee PPS nobody seems to think 10% is too high anymore.

[millsdmb]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4

[os2sam]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4

That's 2.5 % for Deepbit and .7% on BTC Guild.  I get about 2% HW Errors on Deepbit and about 1% on BTC Guild.  So I would say your in line with what you should be getting.  Over a large period of time the lost shares due to the old getwork protocol will add up.

[kano]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4

... and I guess you don't realise that Hardware Errors has nothing to do with the pool?

Also, a 2 hour run at a lowly 336MH/s can easily vary way more than that ... you are getting a lowly ~1% variance there

I've had 20% last for 2 hours (that of course had nothing to do with the pool, it was simply statistical random variance)

The item that DOES relate to the pool, the protocol and the device being used, is the reject %

However, you'd need to run 1000 AMUs for days to get anything that you might consider evidence of issues
... or you could just analyse the protocols and the devices, to work it out ...

[os2sam]

... and I guess you don't realise that Hardware Errors has nothing to do with the pool?

That makes sense, but why then do the HW errors double on getwork over stratum?  It's very consistent.

[kano]

... and I guess you don't realise that Hardware Errors has nothing to do with the pool?

That makes sense, but why then do the HW errors double on getwork over stratum?  It's very consistent.

It shouldn't - maybe coincidence?

The only thing I could think of that may affect HW errors beyond the usual temperature, OC, etc is work latency.
i.e. the gap between each job "might" increase or decrease HW % depending on the effect it has on the chip.
However, for a 335MH/s device, GetWork vs Stratum would not affect that.

[millsdmb]

Too many other good pools have fallen by the wayside because they dropped common sense business practices and tried to bend to the consumers whims.  That doesn't work when most of those consumers of a service couldn't care less about anything but themselves.
My two Satoshi's worth,
Sam

Thanks Sam. What kinds of things specifically do you believe the pools have done to suit the consumer that has effected them negatively?
*edit The person who pointed out Stratum was you, just realized after I dug up the link to edit my prior post =)

No fee or too low of a fee PPS.

Interesting, because I actually feel as if I get more shares on Deepbit PPS than BTC Guild running block erupter - which is how I tried rationalizing the 10% fee. I am going to run on each one for 24 hours to compare, although I know difficulty is always going up -- I think I'll give deepbit the advantage and run them first.

2 Hour Test (336MH/s ASIC)
Deepbit: 555 shares Hardware Errors: 14
BTC Guild: 560 shares Hardware Errors: 4

... and I guess you don't realise that Hardware Errors has nothing to do with the pool?

Also, a 2 hour run at a lowly 336MH/s can easily vary way more than that ... you are getting a lowly ~1% variance there

I've had 20% last for 2 hours (that of course had nothing to do with the pool, it was simply statistical random variance)

The item that DOES relate to the pool, the protocol and the device being used, is the reject %

However, you'd need to run 1000 AMUs for days to get anything that you might consider evidence of issues
... or you could just analyse the protocols and the devices, to work it out ...

Not meant to be scientific in any means, however I am curious about the HW errors. During both tests the chip was not touched with a fan blowing on it.

I did forget to include the rejected shares and didn't take a screen shot. Oh well.

[os2sam]

I did forget to include the rejected shares and didn't take a screen shot. Oh well.

The rejects are negligible.  .1% for BTCGuild and Deepbit.

[[Tycho]]

I also wonder how the number of hardware errors could depend on the pool...

[bulltrap]

Tycho, I sent you a pm about payments being suspended on my deepbit account and I also sent email to pool@deepbit.net. I have been waiting for days but have not received any answer. I would like to have the bitcoins remaining in my deepbit account to be paid back to my withdraw address.

[[Tycho]]

Tycho, I sent you a pm about payments being suspended on my deepbit account and I also sent email to pool@deepbit.net. I have been waiting for days but have not received any answer. I would like to have the bitcoins remaining in my deepbit account to be paid back to my withdraw address.

Problem solved.

[bulltrap]

Tycho, I sent you a pm about payments being suspended on my deepbit account and I also sent email to pool@deepbit.net. I have been waiting for days but have not received any answer. I would like to have the bitcoins remaining in my deepbit account to be paid back to my withdraw address.

Problem solved.

Thanks!

[raoulbtc]

EDIT: Now you can try some new exciting feature - optional Pay-Per-Share mode is enabled in my pool. You can choose payments method for any of your workers, look at your account page for workers configuration. Current rate is 0.00002209487837767 BTC per share.

i'm only getting 0.00000044 per share

also, what should my work refresh rate be set to based on my hash speed?, is there a chart somewhere that i can reference?

last question, say i have several workers, would you recommend that i have some of them set to pps and some to prop?? just to mix it up a bit?