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July 23, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
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With the amount of btc pouring in I would expect a mega pump once shares are released and listed

Did you mean mega dump?   Roll Eyes

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July 23, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
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PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED YOUR WALLET AND ENSURED THAT THE
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Cannot find the .json wallet file (ethereum-wallet-.json)! Anyone the same problem?

you will get it on yours e-mail

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July 23, 2014, 06:09:16 PM
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With the amount of btc pouring in I would expect a mega pump once shares are released and listed

Did you mean mega dump?   Roll Eyes

nah well yes, but after the pump.  I see this being the greatest pump of all time. but yes there will be many sad bagholders

look at the viacoin pump (not as epic as the blackcoin one), but it was an ipo

blackcoin was the best pump i have seen (especially if u got in at 600 satoshi)
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July 23, 2014, 06:15:01 PM
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Mining question.  What are everyone's expectations on being able to mine this when released. Are there any coins in particular that might see a drop in overall difficulty/nethash? It seems to me that despite all the new and old coins, there never seems to be a shortage of hash power.
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July 23, 2014, 06:44:29 PM
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You will also be emailed a backup of this file and redirected to the final step when a transaction is detecte



Cannot find the .json wallet file (ethereum-wallet-.json)! Anyone the same problem?

you will get it on yours e-mail


I'm sorry, but i do not understand.

"PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED YOUR WALLET AND ENSURED THAT THE
.JSON WALLET FILE (ethereum-wallet-.json) IS ON YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE YOU SEND ANY BTC."

How  can ensure that i have downloaded my wallet and ensured that the .json wallet file is on my computer before i send any btc, if i get it in the email?  Huh Huh Huh

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July 23, 2014, 06:47:03 PM
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Desaster in the making. 5000 BTC investing in under 24hours and 43 days to go. The 50000 BTC are likely to be broken in the timeframe and even 75k-100k seems possible. You guys know that devs then get 7500-15000 BTC in ethereum + the BTC itself. Also a yearly inflation that is enourmous at 50000 BTC raised....

So many people will get burned, it is really sad Sad

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July 23, 2014, 06:54:44 PM
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Desaster in the making. 5000 BTC investing in under 24hours and 43 days to go. The 50000 BTC are likely to be broken in the timeframe and even 75k-100k seems possible. You guys know that devs then get 7500-15000 BTC in ethereum + the BTC itself. Also a yearly inflation that is enourmous at 50000 BTC raised....

So many people will get burned, it is really sad Sad

It is an interesting scenario. On one hand, the coin is certainly unique, has professional coders and a ton of exposure. But the sums being thrown at it are getting scary. I wonder who will be left to buy it after the ipo is over.

It doesn't mean it still can't be profitable, as nobody knows. It's just riskier than I would have thought early on. Mining probably would make more sense than buying now, assuming someone already has mining equipment.

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July 23, 2014, 06:55:23 PM
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So many people will get burned, it is really sad Sad

Will you be among them?   Undecided

Some ppl put in almost 500 BTC. That will get burned for sure.
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July 23, 2014, 06:57:33 PM
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July 23, 2014, 06:57:41 PM
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Desaster in the making. 5000 BTC investing in under 24hours and 43 days to go. The 50000 BTC are likely to be broken in the timeframe and even 75k-100k seems possible. You guys know that devs then get 7500-15000 BTC in ethereum + the BTC itself. Also a yearly inflation that is enourmous at 50000 BTC raised....

So many people will get burned, it is really sad Sad

Well your math is off, but your point is still valid.

First of all, anyone who knows anything about fundraising knows that you can have well over 50% come in the first wave of fundraising. I'd say this IPO might get to 10k-12k BTC, but no way it is going to 50k or 100k.

However, there is going to be a glut of Ethereum on the market. It has the potential to be coin with a $10 million dollar cap day one with a 26% inflation. Wow. Then you have a community that has already all invested. Who are the buyers at launch?  This will set a precedent for IPOs in the future. It does have the potential of being an investment bloodbath.
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July 23, 2014, 06:59:19 PM
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I'm sorry, but i do not understand.

"PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED YOUR WALLET AND ENSURED THAT THE
.JSON WALLET FILE (ethereum-wallet-.json) IS ON YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE YOU SEND ANY BTC."

How  can ensure that i have downloaded my wallet and ensured that the .json wallet file is on my computer before i send any btc, if i get it in the email?  Huh Huh Huh

Nobody has the same problems  Shocked Huh

Hello Trunzo, sorry you are having problems. You can download your wallet on Step 5, ahead of purchasing with BTC.

Think of the wallets as gift cards. At first, you can get the giftcard but not 'load it'. Once the BTC is transferred the card is loaded.

The reason we had to make the wallet downloadable early on in the process is because the blockchain.info API could go down (it's outside our control). In which case the BTC would be transferred, the wallet loaded, but the last screen would not appear. Making the (empty) wallet downloadable early on, it helps prevent this (potential) issue.

How it all works is explained on: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/09/how-to-make-a-purchase-in-the-ether-presale/

If you still need help, please email helpdesk@ethereum.org, which is manned 24/7.

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July 23, 2014, 07:04:26 PM
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I see people calling ether a coin.

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Ether is a product, NOT a security or investment offering. Ether is simply a token useful for paying transaction fees or building or purchasing decentralized application services on the Ethereum platform; it does not give you voting rights over anything, and we make no guarantees of its future value.

It sounds to me more like buying a MSDN license. It supports further MS development, it doesn't buy you any stock or shares in the company, MS can sell an infinite number if licenses, and it is only really useful if I am a developer or user of an application based on their framework.

Sure you will eventually be able to trade the ether fuel with others later, but the supply is infinite and people will only need to buy ether if they are expending it (faster than they are mining it)

Edit : who is going to pay for it ? The video on their homepage gave the example of a decentralized Facebook. Are these FB 2.0 users really expected to mine or buy ether to use the service ? Or more likely the service will be free and ad sponsored. How many scenarios will there be where consumers actually need to burn ether ?
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July 23, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
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However, there is going to be a glut of Ethereum on the market. It has the potential to be coin with a $10 million dollar cap day one with a 26% inflation. Wow. Then you have a community that has already all invested. Who are the buyers at launch?  This will set a precedent for IPOs in the future. It does have the potential of being an investment bloodbath.

I wonder what percentage of this community are the ones even investing. Before people even really even knew the IPO was open here, there was already a lot of money in the IPO. I am assuming companies/investors are coming outside of the crypto community too. It's not like some random alt that just made a thread here a week before the IPO opened ... it had a ton of exposure.

To be profitable, buyers would have to come from outside of the typical crypto community, most likely. With that amount of money invested, they surely could make some noise marketing-wise. So it'd then be those not typically interested in crypto, reading about some wildly successful IPO, or an article about how Ethererum is the next 'big thing'... and so on. Not so sure there is enough of them to make this profitable for investors buying in now, but I wouldn't say it's impossible either. It's certainly risky though.

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July 23, 2014, 07:11:11 PM
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Will you be among them?   Undecided

No, I have decided to evaluate AFTER the project is released. I expect the price to be about 50% lower then.

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Funny thing is, the way their IPO is structured, the more hype and the more people invest, the lower the immediate return will be (assuming any return) for each individual investor - think Facebook's IPO - and it all gets diluted by massive inflation going forward.
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July 23, 2014, 07:11:59 PM
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Desaster in the making. 5000 BTC investing in under 24hours and 43 days to go. The 50000 BTC are likely to be broken in the timeframe and even 75k-100k seems possible. You guys know that devs then get 7500-15000 BTC in ethereum + the BTC itself. Also a yearly inflation that is enourmous at 50000 BTC raised....

So many people will get burned, it is really sad Sad

Well your math is off, but your point is still valid.

First of all, anyone who knows anything about fundraising knows that you can have well over 50% come in the first wave of fundraising. I'd say this IPO might get to 10k-12k BTC, but no way it is going to 50k or 100k.

However, there is going to be a glut of Ethereum on the market. It has the potential to be coin with a $10 million dollar cap day one with a 26% inflation. Wow. Then you have a community that has already all invested. Who are the buyers at launch?  This will set a precedent for IPOs in the future. It does have the potential of being an investment bloodbath.

It's no math but my own assumptions and my expectations. I am pretty sure we will pass 25-30k BTC mark and am even willing to bet on it for a smallish sum.

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Basically if they don't announce an IPO cap Etherium is pretty much doomed.
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Basically if they don't announce an IPO cap Etherium is pretty much doomed.

At the least, it'd probably make a lot of sense to wait until the deadline (13 days from now for max) before deciding to put any money into this. If the numbers are insane by then... yeah... may not be the best investment. They are already sort of insane as it is.

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July 23, 2014, 07:20:17 PM
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I'm sorry, but i do not understand.

"PLEASE ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE DOWNLOADED YOUR WALLET AND ENSURED THAT THE
.JSON WALLET FILE (ethereum-wallet-.json) IS ON YOUR COMPUTER BEFORE YOU SEND ANY BTC."

How  can ensure that i have downloaded my wallet and ensured that the .json wallet file is on my computer before i send any btc, if i get it in the email?  Huh Huh Huh

Nobody has the same problems  Shocked Huh

Hello Trunzo, sorry you are having problems. You can download your wallet on Step 5, ahead of purchasing with BTC.

Think of the wallets as gift cards. At first, you can get the giftcard but not 'load it'. Once the BTC is transferred the card is loaded.

The reason we had to make the wallet downloadable early on in the process is because the blockchain.info API could go down (it's outside our control). In which case the BTC would be transferred, the wallet loaded, but the last screen would not appear. Making the (empty) wallet downloadable early on, it helps prevent this (potential) issue.

How it all works is explained on: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/09/how-to-make-a-purchase-in-the-ether-presale/

If you still need help, please email helpdesk@ethereum.org, which is manned 24/7.


Thank you very much, I'll try it again  Wink

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However, there is going to be a glut of Ethereum on the market. It has the potential to be coin with a $10 million dollar cap day one with a 26% inflation. Wow. Then you have a community that has already all invested. Who are the buyers at launch?  This will set a precedent for IPOs in the future. It does have the potential of being an investment bloodbath.

I wonder what percentage of this community are the ones even investing. Before people even really even knew the IPO was open here, there was already a lot of money in the IPO. I am assuming companies/investors are coming outside of the crypto community too. It's not like some random alt that just made a thread here a week before the IPO opened ... it had a ton of exposure.

To be profitable, buyers would have to come from outside of the typical crypto community, most likely. With that amount of money invested, they surely could make some noise marketing-wise. So it'd then be those not typically interested in crypto, reading about some wildly successful IPO, or an article about how Ethererum is the next 'big thing'... and so on. Not so sure there is enough of them to make this profitable for investors buying in now, but I wouldn't say it's impossible either. It's certainly risky though.

I think this has been the most publicized IPO ever. And with a 40 day on ramp for investing, I think the community will be well versed. However, I do think there will be some buyers. More than sellers, wow, thats a whole other story.
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