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January 29, 2014, 10:52:09 AM
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Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

They will not listen to reason. Soon they will be in here again. The likes of gutshot5820 sleep now, but soon they wake... Reinforce the barricades! While we still have time!

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January 29, 2014, 10:53:49 AM
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I think all the people on here bashing it are just part of the promotion. Seriously, I could be wrong but those who think they can buy it cheaper later are nuts or don't really believe what they are saying IMO.

It's entirely possible that there's an organised campaign going on to scare people off. Even organised in the sense that different groups had the same idea to scare people off and are all on here in different capacities.

Yes seems to me as well. Why are people who are not interested in investment waste so much time to warn others that they think Ethereum is a scam?
- They want to invest and hope to keep the investors share small so they get a bigger percentage.
- They are invested in other projects (copycat altcoins, crypto 2.0 projects, ripple) and fear that Ethereum will vanish all these projects if it succeeds.
- Sock puppets (most of them are newbies) from guarilla marketing compaigns paid from other projects (fear of loosing investors)


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January 29, 2014, 10:55:06 AM
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Does anybody understand, what was the point of Gunshot's 100 posts?

If he had made 10 posts, sure, he's probably a little weird and OCD about shouting really loud when around people. But 100s of posts? He's likely a mastermind of disinformation. He knows how to scare people and profit from it. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, we must brace ourselves for this is not an enemy we know.

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January 29, 2014, 10:55:13 AM
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Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

They will not listen to reason. Soon they will be in here again. The likes of gutshot5820 sleep now, but soon they wake... Reinforce the barricades! While we still have time!

If you see his latest post he claims he's so excited about buying in on this he was trolling to try and reduce the volume of the buy in, in the hope of making his stake bigger. Why he spent so much time passionately trolling the thread to admit that before the buy in is beyond me!  Huh
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January 29, 2014, 10:57:13 AM
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Does anybody understand, what was the point of Gunshot's 100 posts?

If he had made 10 posts, sure, he's probably a little weird and OCD about shouting really loud when around people. But 100s of posts? He's likely a mastermind of disinformation. He knows how to scare people and profit from it. Cometh the hour, cometh the man, we must brace ourselves for this is not an enemy we know.

I'm not sure if Mastermind's the right word, I think fuckwit's more apt
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January 29, 2014, 10:57:20 AM
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Why should they wast they time to answer to people who are incapable to read the official docs? >90% here is just FUD/totally unqualified posts.
People who really are interested should take at least 1 hour and read about it and try to understand it. Maybe not everything is so easy for the first moment and the IPO has some complexity, but to write SCAM without having any idea about it, disqualifies just yourself.

They will not listen to reason. Soon they will be in here again. The likes of gutshot5820 sleep now, but soon they wake... Reinforce the barricades! While we still have time!

He is already a VIP member in my ignore list ;-)

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January 29, 2014, 10:57:27 AM
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Does anybody understand, what was the point of Gunshot's 100 posts?

To scare the shit out of everyone and abuse anyone asks why.
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January 29, 2014, 10:58:03 AM
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If you see his latest post he claims he's so excited about buying in on this he was trolling to try and reduce the volume of the buy in, in the hope of making his stake bigger. Why he spent so much time passionately trolling the thread to admit that before the buy in is beyond me!  Huh

As the time nears, he changes his strategy. He has created allies, and people that sympathise with his cause. You were led by a trickster king. He'll buy in plenty, don't you worry. Trolls feed on confusion.

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January 29, 2014, 11:02:03 AM
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If you see his latest post he claims he's so excited about buying in on this he was trolling to try and reduce the volume of the buy in, in the hope of making his stake bigger. Why he spent so much time passionately trolling the thread to admit that before the buy in is beyond me!  Huh

As the time nears, he changes his strategy. He has created allies, and people that sympathise with his cause. You were led by a trickster king. He'll buy in plenty, don't you worry. Trolls feed on confusion.

It's unfortunately really messed this thread. People have come here and believed in 36 million dollars BS, GS conspiracy theories. Conversation has not moved beyond issuance which is a real pity because there is so much more to this project and so many important questions that could/should have been raised.
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January 29, 2014, 11:04:43 AM
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For those interested, I'll probably create an advocacy group soon for those who are going to contribute to this project. We need to get organised and unified so that our voice can be heard. There are many months of waiting and we need to get together on some platform to talk about things in a reasoned way. There's strength in a union minus the communism!

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January 29, 2014, 11:06:10 AM
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Act II begins

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=186785
Here is the link to my trust settings here on forum. This trust system is very unfair. I make good on every deal Ive ever made. I had many, many deals as you can see and I never scammed anyone. All it takes is a random account to give you negative trust and youre screwed. Tomatocage has never even talked to me ever but when the random acct hit me with negative trust, Tomatocage came right behind him and marked neg trust again so obviously he was the one who did it. You can look at Tomatocage trust and see how many of his compeditors at the currency exchange thread he labeled scammers. I never scammed anyone. My trust was green over 20 before this. I hope it never happens to you because the mods cant help you.
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January 29, 2014, 11:07:41 AM
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It's unfortunately really messed this thread. People have come here and believed in 36 million dollars BS, GS conspiracy theories. Conversation has not moved beyond issuance which is a real pity because there is so much more to this project and so many important questions that could/should have been raised.

On the plus side, if it did in fact scare people away and Ethereum is the real deal, those people will probably come back at a later stage. After such a successful campaign of insanity, the ones left standing are ironborn. Cheesy

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January 29, 2014, 11:10:09 AM
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>800 posts in 6 days. Shows interest in the project at least. The real motivation behind the posts will stay hidden, but if anyone thinks its just total bullshit, he would not use his time to post here.

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January 29, 2014, 11:37:03 AM
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The question is not about the right to participate. The question is why is Charles proud of that fact? It looks like a major inconsistency to me. It is like working on a new mail server app and in the same time promoting your project by saying that some members of your team worked in the local post office and were among the best postmen?!

BTW, why has Charles parted with BitShares and Invictus project? What happened to the 0.5 million VC there? Are his investors happy with current state of BitShares and Invictus?

Who says he's "proud"? To me it just sounded like he said it in passing.
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!
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January 29, 2014, 11:41:32 AM
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In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

My whole life is a promo campaign and I say plenty of things I want to burn and hide forever!

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January 29, 2014, 11:47:11 AM
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In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

My whole life is a promo campaign and I say plenty of things I want to burn and hide forever!
Then find another job! You're not good at what you do.
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January 29, 2014, 11:54:28 AM
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Can't you do all this with NXT to?
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January 29, 2014, 11:58:45 AM
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Can't you do all this with NXT to?

Some of it you should be able to do when more features have completed and matured in the NXT development cycle like decentralized exchange. But there are many other differences, like turing complete scripts and a decentralized (and incentivized) platform to achieve any contract not just a financial instrument. So down the line other developers (unrelated to the Ethereum project team) can build applications that take advantage of this. From a mining perspective it is some sort of hybrid between PoW and PoS while NXT is completely premine.
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January 29, 2014, 12:03:55 PM
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The question is not about the right to participate. The question is why is Charles proud of that fact? It looks like a major inconsistency to me. It is like working on a new mail server app and in the same time promoting your project by saying that some members of your team worked in the local post office and were among the best postmen?!

BTW, why has Charles parted with BitShares and Invictus project? What happened to the 0.5 million VC there? Are his investors happy with current state of BitShares and Invictus?

Who says he's "proud"? To me it just sounded like he said it in passing.
In a promo campaign you never say something that you don't take special pride of!

At the risk of running in circles I think he merely stated it - not to show off or be proud of the fact - but as a way to showcase the credentials of the people involved in the project. If I were announcing a project of my own and had a number of people involved then I would like everyone to know that my team is solid. Unfortunately for Ethereum, people read more than that into such a statement.
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January 29, 2014, 12:11:23 PM
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Can't you do all this with NXT to?

Some of it you should be able to do when more features have completed and matured in the NXT development cycle like decentralized exchange. But there are many other differences, like turing complete scripts and a decentralized (and incentivized) platform to achieve any contract not just a financial instrument. So down the line other developers (unrelated to the Ethereum project team) can build applications that take advantage of this. From a mining perspective it is some sort of hybrid between PoW and PoS while NXT is completely premine.

Alright I'm a bit more wise now, thanks!

Gotta check in to a "turing complete script" though.
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