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February 19, 2014, 06:31:00 PM
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I can't wait to see all of you dumping coins and taking a huge painful loss.

You will learn the lesson the hard way.


Irony?
New coins give not bad profit, by the way. Smiley only need to know when to buy and when to sell) that's all

Yep, you just need to be the very first in and the very first out - like in all ponzi schemes.

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February 19, 2014, 08:05:47 PM
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About this I'm talking Smiley
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February 20, 2014, 05:02:39 AM
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I think this problem with this IPO is more will be raised during the fund raiser than the supply of fresh money coming in after, the real irony is although this is probably the most innovative thing in crypto since bitcoin it's also the most likely to make a loss on post IPO.
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February 20, 2014, 05:05:17 AM
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They haven't changed their IPO? They acted like we care about something being undeveloped.

What we really care is about is a fair IPO. Ethereum is still failing, and they aren't even trying to address the real issue.



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February 20, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
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theyre doing fine

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February 21, 2014, 06:06:03 AM
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Charles & Vitalik,

I agree with the premise of decentralized database of contracts that eliminates centralized trust, but getting there requires we also pay attention to some realities.

As I explained to Charles on the phone last year, there is a fundamental flaw in your design which as far as I can see makes it untenable.

A Turing complete scripting layer run by the full clients (mining nodes) is subject to the Halting problem. You are begging for Murphy's Law due to centralizing chaos. When we run JavaScript in our Chrome browser, we are not requiring Google's servers to run the scripts. I see your mitigation is to charge the contract per line of code executed (beyond 16) for each transaction on the contract. However the cost of execution is "not one size fits all", thus you prevent innovation and bind together that which should be decentralized freedom.

Perhaps the tenable solution will be something along the lines of CoinWitness, where the script is run externally and only the proof is run by the mining nodes. On your blog you mention this technology but not for the purpose of fixing the problem I am claiming.

As I explained to Charles on the phone, I don't think your proof-of-work will remain consumer PC cpu-only.

Also you admit on your blog that you don't address the centralizing of mining.

Interested to see the progress you all make.

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February 21, 2014, 09:01:43 AM
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The obvious danger with a hugely publicised IPO as this is, that most people willing to invest in Ethereum at least short to medium term will do this via the IPO. Than after the launch who will want to buy people's ether? Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?

Admittedly I haven't looked into the project deep enough, maybe ether will not be traded?

You are right - so what? Those who are looking to get rich quick will be utterly disappointed by Ethereum.... Except the founders.

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February 21, 2014, 04:34:24 PM
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Charles & Vitalik,

I agree with the premise of decentralized database of contracts that eliminates centralized trust, but getting there requires we also pay attention to some realities.

As I explained to Charles on the phone last year, there is a fundamental flaw in your design which as far as I can see makes it untenable.

A Turing complete scripting layer run by the full clients (mining nodes) is subject to the Halting problem. You are begging for Murphy's Law due to centralizing chaos. When we run JavaScript in our Chrome browser, we are not requiring Google's servers to run the scripts.

Perhaps the tenable solution will be something along the lines of CoinWitness, where the script is run externally and only the proof is run by the mining nodes. On your blog you mention this technology but not for the purpose of fixing the problem I am claiming.

As I explained to Charles on the phone, I don't think your proof-of-work will remain consumer PC cpu-only.

Also you admit on your blog that you don't address the centralizing of mining.

Interested to see the progress you all make.

Great to see you here.

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February 21, 2014, 04:35:39 PM
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When the Windows-QT wallet will be ready ?
investment has already begun? where ?
Thx!

no investments yet. two weeks or so. read the last two pages
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February 21, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
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I think this problem with this IPO is more will be raised during the fund raiser than the supply of fresh money coming in after, the real irony is although this is probably the most innovative thing in crypto since bitcoin it's also the most likely to make a loss on post IPO.
+1
and the permanent inflation of 0.4X is going to hurt as well.
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February 22, 2014, 06:00:12 AM
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The obvious danger with a hugely publicised IPO as this is, that most people willing to invest in Ethereum at least short to medium term will do this via the IPO. Then after the launch who will want to buy people's ether? Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?

Admittedly I haven't looked into the project deep enough, maybe ether will not be traded?

Cough, Mastercoin.

Seriously, I guess their greed or maybe the hope of individual members of Ethereum to get as many board members  hooked as possible before the IPO by incentivicing them this way, got them carried away and will turn out as a huge disappointment once the shares are openly traded. However, if the project can survive that break away of interest and trust in the beginning they may actually make true of some of their promises and develop good stuff later on.
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February 22, 2014, 06:23:20 AM
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The obvious danger with a hugely publicised IPO as this is, that most people willing to invest in Ethereum at least short to medium term will do this via the IPO. Then after the launch who will want to buy people's ether? Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?

Admittedly I haven't looked into the project deep enough, maybe ether will not be traded?

Cough, Mastercoin.

Seriously, I guess their greed or maybe the hope of individual members of Ethereum to get as many board members  hooked as possible before the IPO by incentivicing them this way, got them carried away and will turn out as a huge disappointment once the shares are openly traded. However, if the project can survive that break away of interest and trust in the beginning they may actually make true of some of their promises and develop good stuff later on.

Mastercoin is doing quite well, thank you.


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February 22, 2014, 09:08:03 PM
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I'm actually really interested in this project, but on this forum the word IPO is usually spelled SCAM. The problem is that IPO basically makes the developer's rich. After they become rich are they still motivated to improve the project? I wouldn't be.

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February 22, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
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I'm actually really interested in this project, but on this forum the word IPO is usually spelled SCAM. The problem is that IPO basically makes the developer's rich. After they become rich are they still motivated to improve the project? I wouldn't be.


Usually the IPO is a risk investment which makes it easy to scam. In my opinion it is pretty easy to set up a contract that obligates the developers to reach certain targets or else to pay back the initial investment. This of course would mean that the price of ethers would be higher than in a common IPO, but by doing so it would turn into a real community project. Higher security would ensure people to jump in and give the whole project a higher sustainability. People are less likely to sell-off, developers are less likely to drop the project.

Easy as that.

Now, why is noone doing so? The answer is obvious: there are still enough people hoping for fast money and developers that don´t see the inherent problems in this way of promoting their project.
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February 23, 2014, 10:19:57 PM
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Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?
Cough, Mastercoin.
Yeah, Mastercoin has been a nightmare for investors.  To date it is 1000% of the buy-in price.  I was really expecting a much higher return performance than that.  I should have bought Dogecoin.  What was I thinking?
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February 24, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
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Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?
Cough, Mastercoin.
Yeah, Mastercoin has been a nightmare for investors.  To date it is 1000% of the buy-in price.  I was really expecting a much higher return performance than that.  I should have bought Dogecoin.  What was I thinking?

Price development after public trading (on exchanges!) is what Im getting at in case you didnt guess it. Also Facebook must have been a real doozie for Mark Zuckerburg and friends but the IPO still zucked.

http://coinmarketcap.com/msc_90.html
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February 24, 2014, 03:37:08 PM
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Will this not inevitably lead to a rapid price drop?
Cough, Mastercoin.
Yeah, Mastercoin has been a nightmare for investors.  To date it is 1000% of the buy-in price.  I was really expecting a much higher return performance than that.  I should have bought Dogecoin.  What was I thinking?

Price development after public trading (on exchanges!) is what Im getting at in case you didnt guess it. Also Facebook must have been a real doozie for Mark Zuckerburg and friends but the IPO still zucked.

http://coinmarketcap.com/msc_90.html

Sure, to have a nice returns you need to be one of the very first in. I myself bought at IPO (0.01) and sold two times: once at 0.23 and the other at 0.2.

It must suck to be the guy who bought at those prices.

Without mentioning the "buymastercoin" scam who was advertised on the main MSC website, the guy had the guts to sell the MSC at +0.5 and noobs bought from him. Nice way to scam and to 50-fold your money in the blink of an eye.

Most of those that didn't participate in the MSC IPO but bought afterwards have been assraped.

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February 24, 2014, 09:14:18 PM
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I'm very interested, I will continue to focus

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February 25, 2014, 11:39:44 AM
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When will ipo starts? thanks

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February 26, 2014, 01:32:56 AM
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The name should be changed.

Simple is beautiful.

Ethereum is hard to spell, hard to pronounce. We need a simple name just like "Bitcoin"!
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