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[Harkorede]

I just read one article that says something on the line that Haaland choose City over Real because Pep promissed him he will never be forced to play when not 100 % ready after injury while he would need to prove himself immediately in Real. He is a player that had a lot of injuries last season and there could be truth in that.

If that is so than I expect Haaland to have his minutes managed a lot and maybe have smaller impact then we thought at first. Almost like he is squad rotation player and not indispensable to the club. Totally opposite of what most players look for when changing the club.

I haven't seen that article or any talk around it, but I did say a few pages back that I expect Haaland to have the impact that Aguero did. Brilliant when he plays, but ultimately out injured a lot of the season. A bit like Sturridge for anyone that's watched his career. Probably one of the most gifted players in the league at his heights, but not only did he have injury problems, he was also accused of not pushing through them. I think Gerrard in his book alluded to that.

It's funny an article like that comes up though, as that was my exact thoughts. I've watched a bit of Haaland play, and he is very injury prone, and doesn't seem to like super aggressive players. Well, in the Premier League with the physicality, but also the schedule he's going to find it very difficult. I actually think City are weaker now, than they were last season. Call me crazy if you want .

If there's any thing I've learnt from Guardiola teams, it's their ability to always do well even when their supposedly best players isn't available, Guardiola tends to divided the responsibility somewhat evenly between his players so it's hard to get in horrendous form simply because a player sometimes or two isn't playing, there was a time when Yaya Toure seemed to be his best player, then there was talk that the team wouldn't be as good without David Silva, or Fernandinho, but both players also became surplus to requirement without City losing much of its supposed competitiveness in the league, two-three seasons ago all eyes were on Raheem Sterling and, fast forward to last season he was on the bench even in very important games, later on De Bruyne have also become a vital part of the squad, but without him the team still thrives, now Foden seemed to have it all together, so my point is Haaland wouldn't have much problem finding his feet in Guardiola's team it is all just going to be a matter of how he choose best he fits into his plan, and with Guardiola way of rotating his squad, Haaland shouldn't too many injury troubles.

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[Welsh]

Look, I don't want to get too excited, but I'm pretty sure we have the best player in the world in Nunes. After watching him play yesterday, I've since changed my score predictions of every Liverpool game to at least five goals scored. Obviously, I'm kidding. Nice to see him open his goals count with us though, even if it's just a friendly.

If there's any thing I've learnt from Guardiola teams, it's their ability to always do well even when their supposedly best players isn't available,

To be fair, they do have unlimited money, and they just pour into the team every season. I think it's only Foden who has actualy been developed. Obviously, they have some of the best facilities around, so you would expect them to have more youth coming through, but Foden is really the only noteworthy one.

I actually find Guardiola quite baffling at times. It seems like he's always tinkering his team, even when he shouldn't be. Putting them in weird positions, and changing the game up when they were beating Real Madrid. I don't know, there's times, and places to change up your tactics, but he just seems to do it whatever the occasion is.

[Trofo]

I actually find Guardiola quite baffling at times. It seems like he's always tinkering his team, even when he shouldn't be. Putting them in weird positions, and changing the game up when they were beating Real Madrid. I don't know, there's times, and places to change up your tactics, but he just seems to do it whatever the occasion is.

He is a top class manager and he knows it. That is why he always has the need to do something even if it would be better to sometimes just let the players play their game. You can't play every game in the league in attacking formation and then try to defend in most important game of the season against team like Real in CL. Your players are not used to that, no matter how much you trained that in last couple days, and it can only add to the panic.

[Igebotz]

It's funny an article like that comes up though, as that was my exact thoughts. I've watched a bit of Haaland play, and he is very injury prone, and doesn't seem to like super aggressive players. Well, in the Premier League with the physicality, but also the schedule he's going to find it very difficult. I actually think City are weaker now, than they were last season. Call me crazy if you want .

If Manchester City's medical staff can keep him healthy, he could surprise everyone this season. There have been several cases where injury-prone players move to a new team and become non-injury prone, such as RVP, who barely played 20 games a season at Arsenal before moving to Manchester United, where he was unstoppable for two good seasons without any serious injury. Hazard is another example; he spent 7 years at Chelsea and was injured only 6 times before moving to Real Madrid and becoming more prone to injury. Environmental and weather conditions also play a vital role.

If Manchester City's medical facilities and staffs are good, Halaand can be properly managed.

He is a top class manager and he knows it. That is why he always has the need to do something even if it would be better to sometimes just let the players play their game. You can't play every game in the league in attacking formation and then try to defend in most important game of the season against team like Real in CL. Your players are not used to that, no matter how much you trained that in last couple days, and it can only add to the panic.

Pep will continue to struggle in the Champions League until he realizes that attacks only win games and defenses win trophies. A good manager must know when to attack and when to defend.

[Harkorede]

he realizes that attacks only win games and defenses win trophies.

If this analogy is true, then Guardiola should be one of the top managers with the least trophies, while Simeone should have at least 2 Uefa Champions League trophies.

Attacking is more often than not the best way to defend.

[Igebotz]

he realizes that attacks only win games and defenses win trophies.

If this analogy is true, then Guardiola should be one of the top managers with the least trophies, while Simeone should have at least 2 Uefa Champions League trophies.

Attacking is more often than not the best way to defend.

It doesn't change the fact that he has spent over €1 billion on transfers since joining Manchester City, and guess what? More than €556 million has been spent on the defensive department alone than on any other side in Europe. He doesn't know when to switch to a more defensive game, which has been a problem for him since his time at Bayarn. Chelsea won the Champions League in 2012 and 2020 because they were the most defensively compact team. This is Manchester City's defensive business under Pep;

John Stones (€55.6m)Claudio Bravo (€18m) Aymeric Laporte (€65m) Benjamin Mendy (€57.5m) Kyle Walker (€52.7m)Ederson Moraes (€40m) Danilo (€30m)Joao Cancelo (€65m) Rodri (€62.7m)Ruben Dias (€68m) Nathan AKe (€45.3m) = €556m.

The difference between Pep and Simeon is that Simeon understands when to employ more defensive tactics, whereas Pep does not. Simone does not spend money on defense; he creates them by transforming average defenders into beasts and take them to war.

If my analogy is wrong why do you think Pep and Klopp are spending more on the defensive department?

[Trofo]

The difference between Pep and Simeon is that Simeon understands when to employ more defensive tactics, whereas Pep does not. Simone does not spend money on defense; he creates them by transforming average defenders into beasts and take them to war.

Yeah Simeone knows when to deploy defensive tactics - in every single game

Last year was sort of different but in seasons before that it was pathetic to the level that it was funny. I watched one game, not sure who was the opponent, but some La Liga giant like Elche. Atletico played at home and won 1:0 from only shot at goal towards the end of the match while Elche had over 70% of the ball and all chances. I wouldn't go to Atletcio match even if I got free tickets.

[buwaytress]

@Welsh, I have deliberately sen not to see him play, or even watch the highlights, just want to be surprised the way Salah and Bobby did. Mane I already knew from EPL but seeing Salah and Firmino was a joy the first times, as was Diaz most recently (Jota though also surprised as he seemed to change completely after switching to us).

Trofo never thought of Haaland that way but you could be right. He could be tired of being the sole dependent!

[Harkorede]

he realizes that attacks only win games and defenses win trophies.

If this analogy is true, then Guardiola should be one of the top managers with the least trophies, while Simeone should have at least 2 Uefa Champions League trophies.

Attacking is more often than not the best way to defend.

It doesn't change the fact that he has spent over €1 billion on transfers since joining Manchester City,

I beg to disagree because your analogy is still either bias or it is just flawed;

Here are the top 6 teams expenditure since Guardiola arrived at Man City.

Chelsea: €132.80m + €260.50m + €208.80m + €45.00m + €247.20m + €118.00 = Over €1 Billion
Man Utd: €185.00m + €198.40m + €82.70m + €234.80m + €83.80m + €140.00m = €924m
Arsenal: €113.00m + €152.85m + €80.15m + €160.80m + €86.00m + €167.42m = €762
Liverpool: €79.90m + €173.65m + €182.20m + €10.40m + €82.65m + €87.00m = €615m
Tottenham: €83.50m + €123.50m + 0 + €148.50m + €110.50m + €95.90m =  €561.9

NB: Excluding the current transfer window.

Only Arsenal, Liverpool, and Tottenham have spent significantly lower than Guardiola's Man City but all 5 clubs have a combined 12 Major trophies, while Guardiola's City alone can boast of 9 Majors.

Claudio Bravo (€18m), Ederson Moraes (€40m)

Bravo and Ederson aren't outfield players and basically every coach needs a Goalkeeper right ? and How many Goalkeeper has Chelsea gotten since Guardiola joined Man City ? Kepa (€80.00m) Mendy (€24.00m), Liverpool ? Karius and Alisson were significantly cheaper.

He doesn't know when to switch to a more defensive game, which has been a problem for him since his time at Bayarn. Chelsea won the Champions League in 2012 and 2020 because they were the most defensively compact team.

Firstly, Guardiola wasn't at City in 2012, while in 20/21 Chelsea finished 4th in the league scoring and conceding 58:36 respectively, while City finished 1st position scoring 83 goals scored and 32 conceded, you could argue Tuchel didn't start the 20/21 season with Chelsea but his first full season at Chelsea, they more attacking minded scoring 76 and conceded just 33 goals.

This is Manchester City's defensive business under Pep;
John Stones (€55.6m) Aymeric Laporte (€65m) Benjamin Mendy (€57.5m) Kyle Walker (€52.7m) Danilo (€30m)Joao Cancelo (€65m) Rodri (€62.7m)Ruben Dias (€68m) Nathan AKe (€45.3m) = €556m.

Of all the listed players above, most people would agree with me that only perhaps John Stones, Dias, Laporte and Nathan Ake were purchased for their defensive capabilities innit ? Walker, Mendy, Danilo, Cancelo were literally just attacking reinforcements and were purchased for their attacking abilities rather than what they can offer defensively.

Simone does not spend money on defense.

However, Simeone has spent €426m on Strikers alone since Guardiola's arrival at Man City, why

If my analogy is wrong why do you think Pep and Klopp are spending more on the defensive department?

Spending more on the most vulnerable part of your system is not the same thing as spending more specifically on your defense, Man City and Liverpool have arguably the best attack in the premier league over the last 5 seasons, and still Man City didn't spend a dime on defense last season, but spent over €130m on strikers, and Klopp despite his team's attacking prowess, over the last 3 seasons have spent almost 3 times more strikers than defense.

My point at the end of the day is; if a team plays 0-0 all through a calendar season, the only record they'd have is defensive team of the year, while they'd be at the top 5 bottom of the table, that's if they don't even get relegated, however, if a team wins 5-4 every single game of the season, they'd end up with worse goal conceding record but would have won every trophy.

Logically, to not lose a game you need not to concede any goal, but to stand a chance of winning a game you need to score at least a goal, i.e Outscoring your opponent is what wins you a game and trophies not defense...

Stats source: https://www.transfermarkt.com

[casperBGD]

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I watched one game, not sure who was the opponent, but some La Liga giant like Elche. Atletico played at home and won 1:0 from only shot at goal towards the end of the match while Elche had over 70% of the ball and all chances. I wouldn't go to Atletcio match even if I got free tickets.

man, do not underestimate Elche, they are always dangerous opponent

and regarding Pep, he is obviously a top manager, but winning only EPL on that budget makes him a manager for league, not cup competition, where you need to deploy tactics for every opponent

[Igebotz]

Here are the top 6 teams expenditure since Guardiola arrived at Man City.

Chelsea: €132.80m + €260.50m + €208.80m + €45.00m + €247.20m + €118.00 = Over €1 Billion
Man Utd: €185.00m + €198.40m + €82.70m + €234.80m + €83.80m + €140.00m = €924m
Arsenal: €113.00m + €152.85m + €80.15m + €160.80m + €86.00m + €167.42m = €762
Liverpool: €79.90m + €173.65m + €182.20m + €10.40m + €82.65m + €87.00m = €615m
Tottenham: €83.50m + €123.50m + 0 + €148.50m + €110.50m + €95.90m =  €561.9

NB: Excluding the current transfer window.

Only Arsenal, Liverpool, and Tottenham have spent significantly lower than Guardiola's Man City but all 5 clubs have a combined 12 Major trophies, while Guardiola's City alone can boast of 9 Majors.

Man I'm certain you have no idea what you just wrote, man! I'm willing to bet my life that you're wrong about Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City's spending; I don't have time to look at the other clubs. (net spending not included) As previously stated, Manchester City has spent more than €1 billion under Pep.

These are pep spending since he came;

2016-2017: €215m, 2017-2018: €317.50m, 2018-2019: €78.59m, 2019-2020: €159.52m, 2020-2021: €172.30m, 2021-2022: 134.50, 2022-2023: still on. = €1.07b.

Chelsea are no where above €1bn... Haha  + transfer ban. I won't bring other clubs into this now as we are only talking about Pep.

Claudio Bravo (€18m), Ederson Moraes (€40m)

Bravo and Ederson aren't outfield players and basically every coach needs a Goalkeeper right ? and How many Goalkeeper has Chelsea gotten since Guardiola joined Man City ? Kepa (€80.00m) Mendy (€24.00m), Liverpool ? Karius and Alisson were significantly cheaper.

Wtf! Both are still under Pep's purchase! Manchester City had three keepers before he arrived. Before Kepa arrived, Alisson was the most expensive goalkeeper. Conduct thorough research.

He doesn't know when to switch to a more defensive game, which has been a problem for him since his time at Bayarn. Chelsea won the Champions League in 2012 and 2020 because they were the most defensively compact team.

Firstly, Guardiola wasn't at City in 2012, while in 20/21 Chelsea finished 4th in the league scoring and conceding 58:36 respectively.

Man I only use Chelsea as an example of what defensive game can yield.

This is Manchester City's defensive business under Pep;
John Stones (€55.6m) Aymeric Laporte (€65m) Benjamin Mendy (€57.5m) Kyle Walker (€52.7m) Danilo (€30m)Joao Cancelo (€65m) Rodri (€62.7m)Ruben Dias (€68m) Nathan AKe (€45.3m) = €556m.

Of all the listed players above, most people would agree with me that only perhaps John Stones, Dias, Laporte and Nathan Ake were purchased for their defensive capabilities innit ? Walker, Mendy, Danilo, Cancelo were literally just attacking reinforcements and were purchased for their attacking abilities rather than what they can offer defensively.

You have no point, man! They are all defenders, and their first task is to keep the ball out of the net. Other skills are bonus to the team. He didn't pay for them to come and score or assist.

Simone does not spend money on defense.

However, Simeone has spent €426m on Strikers alone since Guardiola's arrival at Man City, why

How much did he spend on defense? That's the debate right?

If my analogy is wrong why do you think Pep and Klopp are spending more on the defensive department?

Spending more on the most vulnerable part of your system is not the same thing as spending more specifically on your defense, Man City and Liverpool have arguably the best attack in the premier league over the last 5 seasons, and still Man City didn't spend a dime on defense last season but spent over €130m on strikers

Yes, because he was only concerned with a midfielder and a striker last season, as Aguero and Jesus were nearing the end of their ManCity careers. Man spent over €500+m over the last five years building his defensive line. You are twerking for him for not spending a dime last season?

and Klopp despite his team's attacking prowess, over the last 3 seasons have spent almost 3 times more strikers than defense.

You only fill where you are lacking.. Defense is okay.

My point at the end of the day is; if a team plays 0-0 all through a calendar season, the only record they'd have is defensive team of the year, while they'd be at the top 5 bottom of the table, that's if they don't even get relegated, however, if a team wins 5-4 every single game of the season, they'd end up with worse goal conceding record but would have won every trophy.

Scoring 5 and concerning 5 is still a draw + zero goal diff.

A shaky defensive line cannot win a game. In order to win a game, the goal post must be protected. Did you see Barcelona and Chelsea's final ten games of the season? They were scoring for fun while also conceding. When your defensive line is weak, your entire team suffers. Possession is created from the back, not the front.

Man I had some coaching experience!

Logically, to not lose a game you need not to concede any goal, but to stand a chance of winning a game you need to score at least a goal, i.e Outscoring your opponent is what wins you a game and trophies not defense...

You can't control a game without a good defensive line, and you can't score a goal if you don't control the game. 

[Harkorede]

Here are the top 6 teams expenditure since Guardiola arrived at Man City.

Chelsea: €132.80m + €260.50m + €208.80m + €45.00m + €247.20m + €118.00 = Over €1 Billion
Man Utd: €185.00m + €198.40m + €82.70m + €234.80m + €83.80m + €140.00m = €924m
Arsenal: €113.00m + €152.85m + €80.15m + €160.80m + €86.00m + €167.42m = €762
Liverpool: €79.90m + €173.65m + €182.20m + €10.40m + €82.65m + €87.00m = €615m
Tottenham: €83.50m + €123.50m + 0 + €148.50m + €110.50m + €95.90m =  €561.9

NB: Excluding the current transfer window.

Only Arsenal, Liverpool, and Tottenham have spent significantly lower than Guardiola's Man City but all 5 clubs have a combined 12 Major trophies, while Guardiola's City alone can boast of 9 Majors.

Man I'm certain you have no idea what you just wrote, man! I'm willing to bet my life that you're wrong about Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City's spending; I don't have time to look at the other clubs. (net spending not included) As previously stated, Manchester City has spent more than €1 billion under Pep.

These are pep spending since he came;

2016-2017: €215m, 2017-2018: €317.50m, 2018-2019: €78.59m, 2019-2020: €159.52m, 2020-2021: €172.30m, 2021-2022: 134.50, 2022-2023: still on. = €1.07b.

Chelsea are no where above €1bn... Haha   + transfer ban. I won't bring other clubs into this now as we are only talking about Pep.

I really should dead this convo, but you're ignorant ? but concluded I'm wrong ? Lol. Chelsea ban lasted for only one transfer window (summer of 2019) since it was halved by CAS.

Chelsea signings since Guardiola joined City; Please, you do the math.

• Lukaku
• Saul (Loan fee)
• Havertz
• Werner
• Mendy
• Chilwell
• Ziyech
• Kovacic
• Kepa
• Jorginho
• Pulisic
• Higuan (Loan Fee)
• Morata
• Bakayoko
• Drinkwater
• Rudiger
• Zapacosta
• Emerson
• Giroud
• Barkley
• Ampadu
• Batshuayi
• Kante
• Luiz
• Marcos Alonso

That's excluding the €94.20m spent so far this season...

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....You said defense wins you trophy innit ??  since Simeone could build a great defensive line but still spends as much as other big clubs does on strikers alone should indicate what offense also means to the team.

I guess it's pointless prolonging this convo any further, I've clearly as day made my points politely but, to each its own. ✌️

[Pedja_1]

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[Harkorede]

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man! I'm willing to bet my life that you're wrong about Chelsea, Manchester United, and Manchester City's spending;

I never gave any value about Man City's spending, you did! and to put the doubts over Man Utd's spendings and to put my reply on this matter to rest, here is Man Utd spending since Guardiola's arrival

• Pogba €105.00m
• Mkhitaryan €42.00m
• Bailly €38.00m
• Lindelof €35.00m
• Sanchez €34.00m
• Matic €44.70m
• Lukaku €84.70m
• Dalot €22.00m
• Fred €59.00m
• Grant €1.70m
• Maguire €87.00m
• Fernandes €63.00m
• Wan-Bissaka €55.00m
• Daniel James €17.80m
• Ighalo €12.00m (Loan Fee)
• van de Beek €39.00m
• Diallo €21.30m
• Telles €15.00m
• Pellistri €8.50m
• Sancho €85.00m
• Varane €40.00m
• Ronaldo €15.00m

The math for this should be easier than that of Chelsea since I included the players and their value... also excluding the over €70m spent so far in this window

[Igebotz]

I really should dead this convo, but you're ignorant ? but concluded I'm wrong ? Lol. Chelsea ban lasted for only one transfer window (summer of 2019) since it was halved by CAS.

Chelsea signings since Guardiola joined City; Please, you do the math.

• Lukaku

That's excluding the €94.20m spent so far this season...

2016-2017: €119,300m, 2017-2018: €240,00m, 2018-2019: €185,600m, 2019-2020: €40m, 2020-2021: €0m, 2021-2022: €118,00m  = €737,900m  (excluding this summer transfer). Bro where did you see the €1b?

Not including Net spending! We had over €400+m from player sales.

Manchester City spending

These are pep spending since he came;

2016-2017: €215m, 2017-2018: €317.50m, 2018-2019: €78.59m, 2019-2020: €159.52m, 2020-2021: €172.30m, 2021-2022: 134.50, 2022-2023: still on. = €1.07b.

Chelsea are no where above €1bn... Haha  + transfer ban. I won't bring other clubs into this now as we are only talking about Pep.

You said defense wins you trophy innit ??  since Simeone could build a great defensive line but still spends as much as other big clubs does on strikers alone should indicate what offense also means to the team.

Man you can't compare Manchester City's quality to that of Atletico Madrid. Any coach can do well at Manchester City with the funds and quality of the squad.

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[Harkorede]

I really should dead this convo, but you're ignorant ? but concluded I'm wrong ? Lol. Chelsea ban lasted for only one transfer window (summer of 2019) since it was halved by CAS.

Chelsea signings since Guardiola joined City; Please, you do the math.

• Lukaku

That's excluding the €94.20m spent so far this season...

2016-2017: €119,300m, 2017-2018: €240,00m, 2018-2019: €185,600m, 2019-2020: €40m, 2020-2021: €0m, 2021-2022: €118,00m  = €737,900m  (excluding this summer transfer). Bro where did you see the €1b?

Not including Net spending! We had over €400+m from player sales.

Just call it quits bro! Wow!

Where is the €247.20m spent in 2020/2021 Season ?? Or Kai Harvertz 80m, Werner €53m, Chilwell €50m, Ziyech €40m and Mendy €24m were all signed when ? or Chelsea never paid a dime for them?  737,900 + 247,200 = ? and mind you Chelsea spent €132m+ not €119.3m in 2016-17: Batshuayi €39m, Kante €35.8m, Luiz €35m, Alonso €23m... you might want to recheck your numbers bro.

Man City have also made players sale of over €400+m since Guardiola's arrival, you really need to pay attention to the figures and not just what the media portrays.

[Igebotz]

2016-2017: €119,300m, 2017-2018: €240,00m, 2018-2019: €185,600m, 2019-2020: €40m, 2020-2021: €0m€247.20m, 2021-2022: €118,00m  = €737,900m  (excluding this summer transfer). Bro where did you see the €1b?

Not including Net spending! We had over €400+m from player sales.

Just call it quits bro! Wow!

Where is the €247.20m spent in 2020/2021 Season ?? Or Kai Harvertz 80m, Werner €53m, Chilwell €50m, Ziyech €40m and Mendy €24m were all signed when ? or Chelsea never paid a dime for them?  737,900 + 247,200 =?

I skipped that but Still €985,100m. Where is the €1b? Bro

and mind you Chelsea spent €132m+ not €119.3m in 2016-17: Batshuayi €39m, Kante €35.8m, Luiz €35m, Alonso €23m... you might want to recheck your numbers bro.

Bro stop increasing their prices to suit your €1b transfer agenda, I know what you are trying to do man! Batshuayi €32.2m, Kante €30m, Luiz €34m, Alonso €23m= €119.3m

Man City have also made players sale of over €400+m since Guardiola's arrival, you really need to pay attention to the figures and not just what the media portrays.

Manchester City's current sale is the club's largest since Pep took over. Don't twerk for them; Chelsea has fared better in that regard.

End the drama bro. We are holding the thread hostage. 

[Harkorede]

2016-2017: €119,300m, 2017-2018: €240,00m, 2018-2019: €185,600m, 2019-2020: €40m, 2020-2021: €0m€247.20m, 2021-2022: €118,00m  = €737,900m  (excluding this summer transfer). Bro where did you see the €1b?

Not including Net spending! We had over €400+m from player sales.

Just call it quits bro! Wow!

Where is the €247.20m spent in 2020/2021 Season ?? Or Kai Harvertz 80m, Werner €53m, Chilwell €50m, Ziyech €40m and Mendy €24m were all signed when ? or Chelsea never paid a dime for them?  737,900 + 247,200 =?

I skipped that but Still €985,100m. Where is the €1b? Bro

and mind you Chelsea spent €132m+ not €119.3m in 2016-17: Batshuayi €39m, Kante €35.8m, Luiz €35m, Alonso €23m... you might want to recheck your numbers bro.

Bro stop increasing their prices to suit your €1b transfer agenda, I know what you are trying to do man! Batshuayi €32.2m, Kante €30m, Luiz €34m, Alonso €23m= €119.3m

Man City have also made players sale of over €400+m since Guardiola's arrival, you really need to pay attention to the figures and not just what the media portrays.

Manchester City's current sale is the club's largest since Pep took over. Don't twerk for them; Chelsea has fared better in that regard.

End the drama bro. We are holding the thread hostage.  

You're the one making a mountain out of a molehill bro. It doesn't cost anything to be wrong man! I never said Man City have made better sale than Chelsea, it's you who brought that up as well, then I just had to let you know that Man City are also making from players sales, and I didn't include the current season sale in the figure I mentioned earlier. You're the one making everything up to suit your narrative.

I'm not making up their numbers, I don't need any reason to, and I stated my source earlier you can confirm it, but in your book 985,100 is significantly different from €1b as far as football is concerned. That's about €15m difference right ? and you said Kante cost just €30m right ?

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£32 million
On 16 July 2016, Kanté signed a five-year deal with Chelsea who reportedly paid £32 million in transfer fees.

Note the currency here is pounds which was significantly more valuable at that time, not Euro.

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img source:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/ngolo-kante/transfers/spieler/225083

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10 Jun 2016 — Chelsea have reportedly agreed a €35 million (£29.1 million) fee with Leicester City for star midfielder N'Golo Kante.

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The Premier League teams have reached an agreement on a transfer fee of around £29.2 million, including add-ons, The Guardian reported. Sky Sports said the fee could reach as high as £32 million.

Note the fee here is pounds as well

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​N'Golo Kante has signed a five-year contract with Chelsea after completing his £32m transfer from Leicester.

Note the fee here is pounds as well

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Transfers: Chelsea sign £32m N'Golo Kante from Leicester City - Eurosport
The 25-year-old has signed a five-year contract and becomes Antonio Conte's second signing following the £33m arrival of Michy Batshuayi from Marseille.

Note the fee here is pounds as well and you said Batshuayi cost just €32.2m

You said I was increasing their value just to suit my €1B narrative, how petty would that have been of me ?...  

This is my last reply on this bro... Have a nice time, see you around and it was a nice convo tbh..


I hope these posts of ours aren't off topic, and apologies to everyone if you all had to read these perhaps, irrelevant back and forth wall of texts...

[cryptofrka]

Both are heavy spenders - but when comparing it from a coach's perspective, it is also quite important to see the state of the club when they took over.

For example - when Klopp came to Liverpool, it was clear as day that the team needed heavy investment. When Tuchel arrived at Chelsea - not so much.

Guardiola is spending huge amounts of money - that is non disputable. But he also has a lot of success and it's better to spend 700 million and win 10 trophies than to spend 400 million and win 1.

That's why I respect coaches like Klopp and Poch the most. They led Liverpool and Tottenham to great things without spending a lot of money.

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That's why I respect coaches like Klopp and Poch the most. They led Liverpool and Tottenham to great things without spending a lot of money.

is there any trophies for Tottenham that I am not aware of?
just kidding, but I really do think that their fans are probably most frustrated with a fact that they are always so close to some winnings, but never win a thing

maybe it is better to be lower end team fan (as I cheer for Everton), not having trophy dreams each season, and win something here and there (once in a decade is more than enough) - or even winning titles each season, look at Bayern, they cannot be happy in the end, if they win Bundesliga, it is expected, so nothing to cheer about, and if they don't - they underperformed