Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread

[swogerino]

Congrats to ibuprofen for win the first round!.
Really impresed by the 5 exact score he made, i know being te first round its more luck than skill but, still a lot of points in the bag.
I really dont like the first round for two things:

1- We are all together in the tabble.
2- Nobody can really know how good or bad its a team, after round 10 we can see a real tendency.

That 1 point is going to get clarified really soon,at maximum in the 4th week of the tournament.When we come to such week I doubt we will see 10 people with the same amount of point and then another 10 people with the same amount of points,it is clear that no one can see where everyone is because only one week has passed.However I think we already see each team performance during the first week and we can get a glimpse of what to expect in the coming round which will hold some good and difficult matches to predict.

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[Welsh]

I had a awful week, didn't expect Liverpool to drop points obviously, I did predict Brighton to beat Man Utd, but Wolves, Leicester, and West ham I expected to do better than they did. Biggest surprise is obviously Liverpool, but I'm also surprised a little about West Ham, I actually thought they could've got something from the game going by the pre season form of Man City.  

Not sure how some of you got exact scores with those results .

2- Nobody can really know how good or bad its a team, after round 10 we can see a real tendency.

It's why betting on the underdogs make sense towards the start of the season, as the start of the season tends to have quite a lot of upsets due to preparation in the pre season. I don't know why exactly, since I'd expect the bigger teams to have a better way of going about things, but it does seem a common theme over the years.

[swogerino]

I had a awful week, didn't expect Liverpool to drop points obviously, I did predict Brighton to beat Man Utd, but Wolves, Leicester, and West ham I expected to do better than they did. Biggest surprise is obviously Liverpool, but I'm also surprised a little about West Ham, I actually thought they could've got something from the game going by the pre season form of Man City.  

Not sure how some of you got exact scores with those results .

2- Nobody can really know how good or bad its a team, after round 10 we can see a real tendency.

It's why betting on the underdogs make sense towards the start of the season, as the start of the season tends to have quite a lot of upsets due to preparation in the pre season. I don't know why exactly, since I'd expect the bigger teams to have a better way of going about things, but it does seem a common theme over the years.

This has not been that common in Premier League where usually the big teams have won mostly their opening game like it happened for many teams except Liverpool,because I don't consider Manchester United a strong team anymore,other than Liverpool,Chelsea,Arsenal,Tottenham and Manchester City all won their games so the only surprise was Liverpool for this first week.

I agree that in other leagues like in Switzerland,Belgium and Denmark in the opening games always we see surprise results from the strong teams,so yes it is a common theme but out of the Premier League I think.

[KTChampions]

This has not been that common in Premier League where usually the big teams have won mostly their opening game like it happened for many teams except Liverpool,because I don't consider Manchester United a strong team anymore,other than Liverpool,Chelsea,Arsenal,Tottenham and Manchester City all won their games so the only surprise was Liverpool for this first week.

I agree that in other leagues like in Switzerland,Belgium and Denmark in the opening games always we see surprise results from the strong teams,so yes it is a common theme but out of the Premier League I think.

It's funny that at Liverpool, none of the pool participants earned a point, while two participants earned at United and one even guessed the exact score.
As for the "reliability" of the leaders, it is enough for the pool, but if you place bets, the result shown by Liverpool brings a much greater loss than all the profits from the other leaders. And the problem is that it is not known which of the leaders will make a mistake in the next round.

[CLS63]

I think they have a lot of prospect and would perform better than they did last season, there just still seem to be some missing pieces for them to put together, especially in the attack, the midfield was quite okay imo, but they need explosive attackers on the flanks.

They have a really decent squad actually. I still don't understand what is wrong with this team currently. I thought that it was related to especially Solskjaer's management style. But it turns out that the same problems are continuing for them.

They are about to complete another signing who is Adrien Rabiot. They needed to fill the place being emptied by Pogba and they have gone for Rabiot. I wonder what Ronaldo is thinking about this move as he worked with him at Juventus. I think this move is nice but they just need to focus on the source of this worrying problem above all else.

[darxiaomi]

I think its a bad movement for Manchester United, to take in this moment a player like Rabiot, the Manchester needs more blood to play, and Rabiot its a fine player a Arsenal kind player.

I really want to Macnhester united to be in the fight again but seems hard.

[Igebotz]

I think they have a lot of prospect and would perform better than they did last season, there just still seem to be some missing pieces for them to put together, especially in the attack, the midfield was quite okay imo, but they need explosive attackers on the flanks.

They have a really decent squad actually. I still don't understand what is wrong with this team currently. I thought that it was related to especially Solskjaer's management style. But it turns out that the same problems are continuing for them.

They are about to complete another signing who is Adrien Rabiot. They needed to fill the place being emptied by Pogba and they have gone for Rabiot. I wonder what Ronaldo is thinking about this move as he worked with him at Juventus. I think this move is nice but they just need to focus on the source of this worrying problem above all else.

Degea claimed that the team was cursed! There is more to that statement, and I don't believe he was incorrect. Even the previous coach felt the same way, and it's starting to show: they have a very good squad and a very good squad depth, but they continue to perform below average.

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

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Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

they should change the entire midfield. McFred combination is probably the worst duo, It is not at all clear to me why there is so much insistence on McTom. here is already the third manager. I guess he is very good at training.
I'm not sure that Rice or Ndidi would have brought such significant progress in that segment, they need player profiles like Roy Keane.

[Igebotz]

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

they should change the entire midfield. McFred combination is probably the worst duo, It is not at all clear to me why there is so much insistence on McTom. here is already the third manager. I guess he is very good at training.
I'm not sure that Rice or Ndidi would have brought such significant progress in that segment, they need player profiles like Roy Keane.

Mc.Tom has a great work rate, his only issue is his passing vision, he offers more without the ball at his feet, he does the dirty work, but his composure and passing vision are poor, he's a great guy who has earned the trust of three managers, they see what we don't see in him, and I believe he would do extremely well elsewhere. Ndidi is one of the league's best DM, and he provides more than just tackles.

[arallmuus]

Mc.Tom has a great work rate, his only issue is his passing vision, he offers more without the ball at his feet, he does the dirty work, but his composure and passing vision are poor

Yeah I think he is pretty underrated because he is playing in Manchester United and would be considered so much better with that work rate in some other teams. Kinda like being over shadowed by the fact that the team keep on losing ever since last season and even when the team win, he will not be the player that will hog the spotlight.

[cryptofrka]

Nobody is questioning McTominay's work rate. That is basically the only thing he's got going for him.

A lot of people are questioning his technique and general football ability. If you ask me - rightly so, because he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter in a team that wants to be winning trophies.

[swogerino]

Mc.Tom has a great work rate, his only issue is his passing vision, he offers more without the ball at his feet, he does the dirty work, but his composure and passing vision are poor

Yeah I think he is pretty underrated because he is playing in Manchester United and would be considered so much better with that work rate in some other teams. Kinda like being over shadowed by the fact that the team keep on losing ever since last season and even when the team win, he will not be the player that will hog the spotlight.

Maybe he is underrated but just because the team keep losing in a consistent way since last year to me says a lot.If this player was as good as anyone else thinks (I also think he is great) then he should have been decisive in certain games and the team would have won these certain games,this is just my opinion though and maybe it is wrong.I agree though maybe if he were at a team who keeps winning then he would have been way more rated than it is now at Manchester United.

[tokeweed]

I think they have a lot of prospect and would perform better than they did last season, there just still seem to be some missing pieces for them to put together, especially in the attack, the midfield was quite okay imo, but they need explosive attackers on the flanks.

They have a really decent squad actually. I still don't understand what is wrong with this team currently. I thought that it was related to especially Solskjaer's management style. But it turns out that the same problems are continuing for them.

They are about to complete another signing who is Adrien Rabiot. They needed to fill the place being emptied by Pogba and they have gone for Rabiot. I wonder what Ronaldo is thinking about this move as he worked with him at Juventus. I think this move is nice but they just need to focus on the source of this worrying problem above all else.

Degea claimed that the team was cursed! There is more to that statement, and I don't believe he was incorrect. Even the previous coach felt the same way, and it's starting to show: they have a very good squad and a very good squad depth, but they continue to perform below average.

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

Lol...  It's truuue!  How managers did Man U hire after Ferguson?  How much money was spent on transfers since 2014?  A lot!  But from De Gea's statement alone, I think that enough for the club to look at which top tier keeper is gonna be a free agent on January...  Any guesses?

...  Ter Stegen.  =]

I'd like to see him play in the EPL and Man United is perfect for him.  De Gea seems like he doesn't want to play there anymore.  He's been there for more than a decade now.

[darxiaomi]

De Gea its a class A goalkeeper but, the main problem with him is he made some big mistakes in a really bad time, but in the other hand he has saved Manchester United this last year a lot of time, not only of lose, also saving they from shamefull loses, i remember one game against City, the game can end much worse if De Gea doesnt saves a lot of goals.

I really like if he come back to Atletico Madrid.

[Igebotz]

Nobody is questioning McTominay's work rate. That is basically the only thing he's got going for him.

A lot of people are questioning his technique and general football ability. If you ask me - rightly so, because he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter in a team that wants to be winning trophies.

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Lol...  It's truuue!  How managers did Man U hire after Ferguson? How much money was spent on transfers since 2014?  A lot! 

6 managers since 2013 + £600+m spent on transfer

But from De Gea's statement alone, I think that enough for the club to look at which top tier keeper is gonna be a free agent on January...  Any guesses?

...  Ter Stegen.  =]

I'd like to see him play in the EPL and Man United is perfect for him.  De Gea seems like he doesn't want to play there anymore.  He's been there for more than a decade now.

De Gea is the club's only valuable asset; he is exposed in every game more than any other keeper in the league. Keepers always need a proper DM for protections. Ter Stegen is a dreadful goalkeeper.
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[Joca97]

I think its a bad movement for Manchester United, to take in this moment a player like Rabiot, the Manchester needs more blood to play, and Rabiot its a fine player a Arsenal kind player.

I really want to Macnhester united to be in the fight again but seems hard.

I think Rabiot would be a good addition the Manchester United midfield and that is the kind of player i think they need. Their midfield is really weak especially the defending midfielders so Rabiot would be a nice addition to maybe improve the game

[cryptofrka]

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

[CLS63]

Degea claimed that the team was cursed! There is more to that statement, and I don't believe he was incorrect. Even the previous coach felt the same way, and it's starting to show: they have a very good squad and a very good squad depth, but they continue to perform below average.

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

The team are really like cursed now indeed. There is no other explanation to this for me now. De Gea even wanted to leave the team in the distant past but he is still moving on here. His role in this team has been incredibly big by the way. For example Manchester United owe him a lot for last season. Their defense was horrible but De Gea made so many saves to prevent themselves from finishing the season even worse.

[Igebotz]

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

Lol,  And he was promoted to the first team rather than loaned out to Crystal Palace? Rashford is the Academy's most notable product since Ferguson's departure; the rest have been championship-level players. If I recall correctly, Elanga was the Academy's most recent product. He's a flop, for sure. Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool are all performing admirably in this regard. Manchester United should invest more in their academy team; Chelsea has spent nearly €30m on academy players since Todd Boehly took over.

For example Manchester United owe him a lot for last season. Their defense was horrible but De Gea made so many saves to prevent themselves from finishing the season even worse.

He's the only valuable asset at the club.

[Trofo]

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

Lol,  And he was promoted to the first team rather than loaned out to Crystal Palace? Rashford is the Academy's most notable product since Ferguson's departure; the rest have been championship-level players. If I recall correctly, Elanga was the Academy's most recent product. He's a flop, for sure. Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool are all performing admirably in this regard. Manchester United should invest more in their academy team; Chelsea has spent nearly €30m on academy players since Todd Boehly took over.

What about Greenwood? I know about all the shit that happened of the pitch but let's forget about it for the moment. I rellay liked him as a player and I was sure he is going to be big star one day. There isn't many players with his nose for a goal, especially while so young. Is he a product of United youth academy?