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February 06, 2019, 10:35:08 AM
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Its a small high ranked group. Don't call them non shady members as they support you only in their own favour.
I don't believe any of them have any personal benefit in trusting me. Actually, their lives would be much easier if they just ignored me as they wouldn't be subject to constant attacks by liars and ego maniacs. Smiley Some of them got excluded solely for making pro-Lauda comments before. There was no collusion/abuse in the old system, right?

You have been already kicked out as Mod and DT1 and are only back because of these.
Correct; theymos threw me out from staff which was exactly what was to be expected given what I have done - although I would have preferred BadBear kicking me out. I was never in DT1 and I was only removed from DT2 due to collusion (which no longer works) and abuse (HostFat).

Everyone knows it and acting like you don't know what i'm talking about i just want to remind you how upset you got
I despise spammers (among other things) as well as those that leave fake retaliatory ratings. Upset? No. Would I remain quiet/treat you the same way? Hell no.

Maybe after all the years you can show me finally where i
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At least thats what i got tagged from you.Would love to see where i encourage scams and spams and account farming.
I need not do anything; my ratings have mostly QED themselves.

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February 06, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
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Everyone knows it and acting like you don't know what i'm talking about i just want to remind you how upset you got
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I despise spammers (among other things) as well as those that leave fake retaliatory ratings. Upset? No. Would I remain quiet/treat you the same way? Hell no.

Maybe after all the years you can show me finally where i
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encourage scams, spam, and account farming.
At least thats what i got tagged from you.Would love to see where i encourage scams and spams and account farming.
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I need not do anything; my ratings have mostly QED themselves.


As always not being able to show a single proof of your claims but calling my negative tagg for false feedback retaliatory.
It would be so easy to discredit me when proofing your negative tagg were legit.

Instead you prefer your neverending argumentation.

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February 06, 2019, 11:51:53 AM
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Everyone knows it and acting like you don't know what i'm talking about i just want to remind you how upset you got
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I despise spammers (among other things) as well as those that leave fake retaliatory ratings. Upset? No. Would I remain quiet/treat you the same way? Hell no.

Maybe after all the years you can show me finally where i
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encourage scams, spam, and account farming.
At least thats what i got tagged from you.Would love to see where i encourage scams and spams and account farming.
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I need not do anything; my ratings have mostly QED themselves.


As always not being able to show a single proof of your claims but calling my negative tagg for false feedback retaliatory.
It would be so easy to discredit me when proofing your negative tagg were legit.

Instead you prefer your neverending argumentation.

You need to bitch slap it with the facts demonstrating it is a proven liar. Once you do that you will never hear from it again. Not to mention the lie is directly related to financial gain.

The fact he has given you that feed back and refuses to prove his statements is once again abuse of the trust system.

I mean he is a proven liar and trust abuser but is allowed to give feedback and ruin accounts that he can provide zero evidence of?

The person is completely out of control as are quite a few others on DT.


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February 06, 2019, 11:56:30 AM
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I'd rather read a poster that's posted just one thousand quality post versus ten thousand unbalanced posts such as your hero "Bruno".

What does that have to do with the fact that you're wrong about Cryptohunter being Bruno?

You do understand that trust was *neutral* ??  It wasn't even negative.

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I'd rather read a poster that's posted just one thousand quality post versus ten thousand unbalanced posts such as your hero "Bruno".

What does that have to do with the fact that you're wrong about Cryptohunter being Bruno?

You do understand that trust was *neutral* ??  It wasn't even negative.

I'm just trying to tell you that's not him. Not only did he flat out say its not him, their writing styles are too different.

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February 06, 2019, 01:41:28 PM
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On the merit system, I have seen few controversial posts with large amounts of effort put into them that have merit, especially from merit sources. Conversely, I have seen many reasonably low-effort posts that make a "popular" statement with merit from multiple people.

It's not a participation trophy. "Effort" means nothing if you're babbling nonsense, which is what most of your walls of text are. I'll take a good meme over your sanctimonious posturing any day.

On the other hand, this "good posts go unmerited" BS is getting old. AFAIK you have not reported posts here or in my sig, nor have you applied to be a merit source, so if you don't want to be part of the solution maybe just stop whining in unrelated threads.

Let me quote this for attention:
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.
- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
It seems to me the opposite is happening since the DT-changes.

For an example I've seen myself of "past mistakes", may I recommend jeremypwr : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=137185

Pretty much the opposite of a good example. I have interacted with jeremypwr via PMs and given his "I didn't do anything wrong" attitude I wouldn't say that he's "unlikely to do it again". I'm quite certain he would shill any scam if the price is right and he's got toddler's temper, which doesn't help.

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February 06, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
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since when its not allowed to have alts?
It's perfectly allowed for untrustworthy users to have alts; that's why I only gave them negative trust instead of reporting the tell-tale PMs and getting them both banned. Tongue

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So why did he get tagged  ?
If you tagg him you should also tagg the accounts of suchmoon such as glem or tagg any other known alt.

Also who are you to decide if somebody is untrustworthy or not ?Based on what evidence are you making these taggs ?

Cause currently i can only see that you are abusing the trust system which has been confirmed by theymos.
because he only wants to silence the critics of the cult that hes in he's a pussy not tagging his colleague's account.Dont worry his time will come to an end together with his cult.
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February 06, 2019, 02:16:22 PM
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Looks like someone Roll Eyes got to Gunthar and had him remove me from his inclusion list so I'd be off again.  The desperation grows...  

Ahem.....I gave my stance already in this post:

1.- i am not Lauda proxy and still I am in Lauda list. I dont change my opinion on you or others based on Lauda opinion: this is your assumption and I invite you to honestly review the way you think about it. Read my trust list and read Lauda list, you will find people in my trust list (like OG) that are excluded in Lauda list. You will find people excluded in my trust list that are excluded in Lauda list (like QS). Both examples above come from my personal interaction with mentioned users and I (as I'm sure 100% of DT members do) compile this list based on our personal opinions, thoughts and experience. I have Lauda on my list because I'm 100% sure if I let him handle my personal money, It would be cared like it was myself doing it. I have OG in my list because I am 100% sure I can do the same with him, based on my past and present interaction with him. Still Lauda tildes OG and viceversa.

Their childish fight instead is something annoying to me, they should take that in a motel room not on the forum.


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February 06, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
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Check out the latest trust rating Lauda has left me.  



The reference thread takes you to a complaint from minifrij where he was upset that I pointed out he removes/replaces feedback when he doesn't get his way.  Today I also pointed out that Lauda has engaged in this same behavior against user rmcdermott927 on this forum.  Anybody know how me pointing out that minifrij is attempting to bully me into removing my feedback by misusing the trust network equates to me being a scammer?  How does this fit into a reasonable DefaultTrust network rating?

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

I've got a popular escrow service on this site, am the OP of a longstanding community organization as well as a proof of concept Green Energy Project, sell lots of different products, & regularly try to help newbies with their issues here.  Is it right that guests should no longer be able to view my posts because I stood up to the bullying of Lauda & friends?



EVIDENCE OF LAUDA BULLYING RMCDERMOTT927
Are we seeing a pattern yet with these users?


8/23/18: Lauda left this retaliatory trust rating:


10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


Lauda is clearly abusing the system to attack anyone who exposes his constant involvement in scams. Something tells me this isn’t what theymos had in mind.

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Lauda is clearly abusing the system to attack anyone who exposes his constant involvement in scams. Something tells me this isn’t what theymos had in mind.
#BlacklistTheCat because thermos didn't include an edit future.

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February 06, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
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Ahem.....I gave my stance already in this post:

1.- i am not Lauda proxy and still I am in Lauda list. I dont change my opinion on you or others based on Lauda opinion: this is your assumption and I invite you to honestly review the way you think about it. Read my trust list and read Lauda list, you will find people in my trust list (like OG) that are excluded in Lauda list. You will find people excluded in my trust list that are excluded in Lauda list (like QS). Both examples above come from my personal interaction with mentioned users and I (as I'm sure 100% of DT members do) compile this list based on our personal opinions, thoughts and experience. I have Lauda on my list because I'm 100% sure if I let him handle my personal money, It would be cared like it was myself doing it. I have OG in my list because I am 100% sure I can do the same with him, based on my past and present interaction with him. Still Lauda tildes OG and viceversa.

Their childish fight instead is something annoying to me, they should take that in a motel room not on the forum.

Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...

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Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...
Nobody is removed from anything until they are removed from here, so what you claim is a lie. My personal trust list changes are all temporary. I wonder who and why is tracking my trust list in real time? Roll Eyes

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Can we move the childish mudslinging to the Reputation board? It's getting kind of annoying seeing it in every Meta topic.

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February 06, 2019, 03:07:22 PM
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Well, I see Lauda removed you from his trust network because you added me back on. I never removed you, even when I was removed from your list. That tells you a lot right there. Do what Lauda says or face punishment. You have experienced this first hand, yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish. They’re trying to spin it that way, but the evidence is mounting...
Nobody is removed from anything until they are removed from here, so what you claim is a lie. My personal trust list changes are all temporary. I wonder who and why is tracking my trust list in real time?

No, the list is here not what you post on a thread that you want people to see. So you only removed Gunthar temporarily to see if you could bully him into removing me? Why are you worried that your trust manipulation is being pointed out? Why are others who have joined into your exclude OgNasty campaign trying to silence those speaking out against your DT abuse? Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed. I’m confident theymos sees this, and hope the community can act appropriately so that we can continue with this new trust system. Otherwise, I think theymos will have to step in and start blacklisting people, starting with Lauda.

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So you only removed Gunthar temporarily to see if you could bully him into removing me?
I am sure my old partner will notice changes in my trust list in about a week or two.

Why are others who have joined into your exclude OgNasty campaign trying to silence those speaking out against your DT abuse?
There is no such thing; people just do not trust your judgement. It's simple really.

Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at theymos, at me, at everyone; theymos can blacklist me, and everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar. I believe this is an education problem where some people think that if you have 2 and take the same 2 and move it around a bit, that it equals 4. Roll Eyes

Can we move the childish mudslinging to the Reputation board? It's getting kind of annoying seeing it in every Meta topic.
Remind me again who starts this in almost every thread in Meta and why they don't get banned for off-topic posting? Smiley Re-applying this: Mods will not do anything.

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February 06, 2019, 03:17:45 PM
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Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can see that.

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February 06, 2019, 03:18:59 PM
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Your continued actions are the best evidence for theymos to get involved. What Lauda is doing to rmcdermott927 and now me should not be allowed.
What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can’t see that.
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Read the last sentence again. Do it several times as you clearly need it. I will probably redo it to fit the new limitations and I don't like the insults in it either. Smiley

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yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish.

Your intentions might or might not be legit and my opinion might or might not be in agreement with you and/or with Lauda, this is something we have discussed in PM many times and my opinion is clearly stated on both my left feedbacks and my trust list. What I'm trying to say here is that both of you, as opinion leaders of this forum, are literaly (without awareness) inducing dozens of respective followers/haters to literaly spam the boards with a continuous annoying "Lauda-vs-OG" threads creation that is of zero contribution to the forum IMO. This is what I meant by "motel room". Look at this thread i.e.: completely hijacked (and this is a pita because I would have seriously spent my time contributing to OP initiative instead to have to put this post to ignore list)

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February 06, 2019, 03:22:59 PM
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yet still think I’m in a childish fight? I’m trying to stop others from being bullied the way you are being bullied right now by Lauda. I don’t think that’s childish.
Your intentions might or might not be legit and my opinion might or might not be in agreement with you and/or with Lauda, this is something we have discussed in PM many times and my opinion is clearly stated on both my left feedbacks and my trust list. What I'm trying to say here is that both of you, as opinion leaders of this forum, are literaly (without awareness) inducing dozens of respective followers/haters to literaly spam the boards with a continuous annoying "Lauda-vs-OG" threads creation that is of zero contribution to the forum IMO. This is what I meant by "motel room".
It takes both sides to completely drop the dispute. I have long been willing to permanently ignore him, but he is way too stubborn to let go of anything.

Look at this thread i.e.: completely hijacked (and this is a pita because I would have seriously spent my time contributing to OP initiative instead to have to put this post to ignore list)
Roll Eyes

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What I am doing, i.e. rewriting old ratings to improve them is absolutely allowed and by the guidelines. If it it wasn't I would expect someone to contact me already OR introduce the edit feature - neither of which has happened; besides counters are appropriate anyways. rmcdermott927 continues proving that he is shady/untrustworthy as long as he keeps lying. It is simple really. You can keep screaming at everyone, at theymos at me; theymos can blacklist me, can blacklist everyone that doesn't trust you, but the fact is that rmcdermott927 will remain a liar.

You copy/pasted your trust on rmcdermott927. You didn’t rewrite anything. You are the liar, not rmcdermott927. Anyone who reads your statement and looks at my post can see that.

10/06/18: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


01/15/19: Lauda noticed that rmcdermott927 was no longer showing a red trust rating so he once again removed/replaced his rating:


Do we really as a community feel this sort of behavior has a place in the default trust network?

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