Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance.

I would agree. If you check the number of matches played by the India U-19 side and the India A team, then you can notice a sharp decline in the recent years. It seems to me that the BCCI has outsourced its talent development program to the IPL franchises. First and foremost, they should try to conduct the Ranji Trophy without any further delay (although it is a shortened version). And till now they haven't even released the schedule for this year's tournament.

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[SATWAT]

To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance.

I would agree. If you check the number of matches played by the India U-19 side and the India A team, then you can notice a sharp decline in the recent years. It seems to me that the BCCI has outsourced its talent development program to the IPL franchises. First and foremost, they should try to conduct the Ranji Trophy without any further delay (although it is a shortened version). And till now they haven't even released the schedule for this year's tournament.

Now most of things happening under BCCI for short format they are completely ignoring test and first class which is big cause for their test level even they have all things for settle this all very quickly but greediness and Covid-19 situation is badly hurting their cause but if they want to start again its possible because they richest board in world for doing any thing on short notice.

[JSRAW]

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy. 

[Indymoney]

Its really big issue for sub-continent boards and players they never try to learn from mistakes just because of this have many problems in past and right now still both big teams from Sub-Continent facing in Australia and New Zealand one already lost tewnty/20 series and now on verge of clean sweep second after losing first test very badly now have some big problems now I am feeling they are going down and out very badly in this series.

A few years back, there was a proposal to prepare pitches that would have good seam movement and bounce for the domestic tournaments. But apart from a few domestic sides such as Punjab, none of the other teams implemented this proposal. Even in domestic cricket, a lot of the teams are overdependent on the spinners. And this is a big obstacle when these players get out to bat in surfaces that supports pace bowling.

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy. 

For better quality and improvement they can bring many things like this because now its very important for youngsters they must need to play on better tracks instead of dumb pitches which are not helping in any cause even bringing more frustration and humilation for them few more things also aplicable but these all need some good time for better results from domestic system.

[Vishnu.Reang]

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy. 

I don't know how practical is this. Most of the state cricket associations are under the control of politicians. For example, the TNCA is under the control of N Srinivasan family, while the Mumbai Cricket Association is controlled by the Thackrey family. Arm twisting tactics will never work, because these politicians have more power when compared to BCCI officials such as Saurav Ganguly.

[JSRAW]

One of the reason i am in favor of arm-twisting when it comes to situation of pitches in the India. They should bring some policies that if any state not producing quality competitive wickets in the domestic games then they would never get any international games. Provide more assistance with funding to the states who are following such policy.  

I don't know how practical is this. Most of the state cricket associations are under the control of politicians. For example, the TNCA is under the control of N Srinivasan family, while the Mumbai Cricket Association is controlled by the Thackrey family. Arm twisting tactics will never work, because these politicians have more power when compared to BCCI officials such as Saurav Ganguly.

What are they going to do when BCCI amend some law with the help of Supreme court or similar to Lodha Committee reforms ? Supreme court did step up in the past when BCCI needed some administrator reforms, although it was messy overall.

For better quality and improvement they can bring many things like this because now its very important for youngsters they must need to play on better tracks instead of dumb pitches which are not helping in any cause even bringing more frustration and humilation for them few more things also aplicable but these all need some good time for better results from domestic system.

Hard but not impossible imo

[Vishnu.Reang]

This question about preparing green and bouncy pitches for domestic tournaments always come up whenever India undergoes humiliation in Australia or England. And after that there will be a home series against weaker teams such as West Indies or South Africa. India will win the series 3-0 or 5-0, and everyone will forget about the debate on bouncy tracks. This has happened for the last two decades or so and I don't expect the situation to change anytime soon.

[onrise]

This question about preparing green and bouncy pitches for domestic tournaments always come up whenever India undergoes humiliation in Australia or England. And after that there will be a home series against weaker teams such as West Indies or South Africa. India will win the series 3-0 or 5-0, and everyone will forget about the debate on bouncy tracks. This has happened for the last two decades or so and I don't expect the situation to change anytime soon.

India is the considered to be the king when it comes at their home ground matches and even stats shows that, but major concern is playing internationally against best teams. And, the humiliation which they received by getting all out for 36 will remain for a long time. I would not be surprised if India do not win any match in this test series or maximum might end up in a draw.

[LittleBitFunny]

This question about preparing green and bouncy pitches for domestic tournaments always come up whenever India undergoes humiliation in Australia or England. And after that there will be a home series against weaker teams such as West Indies or South Africa. India will win the series 3-0 or 5-0, and everyone will forget about the debate on bouncy tracks. This has happened for the last two decades or so and I don't expect the situation to change anytime soon.

India is the considered to be the king when it comes at their home ground matches and even stats shows that, but major concern is playing internationally against best teams. And, the humiliation which they received by getting all out for 36 will remain for a long time. I would not be surprised if India do not win any match in this test series or maximum might end up in a draw.

I don't think India can win a single match in this series. Their experience of playing on the Australian bouncing pitch is very low. So they are not able to perform well in this pitch. There are a lot of talented players in the Indian team, let's see how the young players perform in the next match,

[bryant.coleman]

India is the considered to be the king when it comes at their home ground matches and even stats shows that, but major concern is playing internationally against best teams. And, the humiliation which they received by getting all out for 36 will remain for a long time. I would not be surprised if India do not win any match in this test series or maximum might end up in a draw.

There are certain players such as Ravichandran Ashwin, who perform very impressively in home test matches. There is nothing wrong in preparing pitches that favor you when playing at home, and almost all the teams do that. But the problem is that when you get habituated to playing in these surfaces, your performance while playing abroad gets less than satisfactory. And this is why there is a request to prepare bowler-friendly tracks for the domestic matches.

[JSRAW]

I don't think India can win a single match in this series. Their experience of playing on the Australian bouncing pitch is very low. So they are not able to perform well in this pitch. There are a lot of talented players in the Indian team, let's see how the young players perform in the next match,

Indian team do have fair amount of senior players, this is 3rd Australian tour for players like Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Ashwin including Shami and Kohli (Both are out) . This might be hard to swallow but this is 3rd tour for KL Rahul, Saha and Umesh Yadav as well and then 2nd tour for players like Vihari, Bumrah etc. Would say its more than enough experience.

[teosanru]

To be very straight I don't think Indian team now takes these things very seriously. Now I feel due to such a vast choice of players to choose from BCCI too has become pretty reluctant in developing big players. So players are just left to themselves with no good guidance.

I would agree. If you check the number of matches played by the India U-19 side and the India A team, then you can notice a sharp decline in the recent years. It seems to me that the BCCI has outsourced its talent development program to the IPL franchises. First and foremost, they should try to conduct the Ranji Trophy without any further delay (although it is a shortened version). And till now they haven't even released the schedule for this year's tournament.

It's a simple business they went through IPL even when it's much more difficult to make IPL happen. But as RANJI TROPHY does not gives them a positive net cash flows they are not really interested in making that happen. I don't think it would happen until we have vaccinated every person we have around us. Talking about A team these days A team is nothing more than a joke they rarely have any bilateral tours or anything like that. U-19 teams have played a few matches but not enough to give them a taste of what real cricket is. Scoring runs in India is not cricket. This problem of diversity of options with BCCI has made Indian team look so inconsistent.

India is the considered to be the king when it comes at their home ground matches and even stats shows that, but major concern is playing internationally against best teams. And, the humiliation which they received by getting all out for 36 will remain for a long time. I would not be surprised if India do not win any match in this test series or maximum might end up in a draw.

There are certain players such as Ravichandran Ashwin, who perform very impressively in home test matches. There is nothing wrong in preparing pitches that favor you when playing at home, and almost all the teams do that. But the problem is that when you get habituated to playing in these surfaces, your performance while playing abroad gets less than satisfactory. And this is why there is a request to prepare bowler-friendly tracks for the domestic matches.

I think there are more Stadiums in India than there are in any part of the world. There can be made a balance between all types of pitches. It's not always beneficial for teams in long term to make all the pithces beneficial for them. If we move towards this path every team would merely win at their home places.

[Swordsoffreedom]

I don't think India can win a single match in this series. Their experience of playing on the Australian bouncing pitch is very low. So they are not able to perform well in this pitch. There are a lot of talented players in the Indian team, let's see how the young players perform in the next match,

Indian team do have fair amount of senior players, this is 3rd Australian tour for players like Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Ashwin including Shami and Kohli (Both are out) . This might be hard to swallow but this is 3rd tour for KL Rahul, Saha and Umesh Yadav as well and then 2nd tour for players like Vihari, Bumrah etc. Would say its more than enough experience.

It seems to me that after playing in the IPL for a long time, now the Indian players are not mentally prepared for the Test match. Otherwise, one of the best batting lineups in the world would not have such a disaster. Players need to be diligent, mentally strong and try to understand the opponent's tactics. Otherwise, it will not be possible to win a Test match against a team like Australia.

[vella85]

This question about preparing green and bouncy pitches for domestic tournaments always come up whenever India undergoes humiliation in Australia or England. And after that there will be a home series against weaker teams such as West Indies or South Africa. India will win the series 3-0 or 5-0, and everyone will forget about the debate on bouncy tracks. This has happened for the last two decades or so and I don't expect the situation to change anytime soon.

India is the considered to be the king when it comes at their home ground matches and even stats shows that, but major concern is playing internationally against best teams. And, the humiliation which they received by getting all out for 36 will remain for a long time. I would not be surprised if India do not win any match in this test series or maximum might end up in a draw.

I don't think India can win a single match in this series. Their experience of playing on the Australian bouncing pitch is very low. So they are not able to perform well in this pitch. There are a lot of talented players in the Indian team, let's see how the young players perform in the next match,

The only pitches where I can see India not doing well on is Perth and Brisbane. Now there will be no test match played in Perth so they doge that pitch however they will be playing in Brisbane where Australia has a very good record and not just against India but against every team they play there so as I said in my previous post. India can maybe sneak a win at the MCG or SCG as these pitches will suite them, don't forget India did beat Australia at the MCG 2 years ago and yes Australia had Smith and Warner missing but it was the same bowling line up Australia has now and India were able to score over 400 runs in the first innings so I wouldn't count them out just yet even though I am Australian and want to see Australia win but I still can see India playing well in this series and like I said they could sneak a win when most least expect it.

[7788bitcoin]

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If I am right then Rohit Sharma is not in Test squad for this tour because he was available for only ODI and twenty/20 formats now they have very few names replacing for Kohli and Shami most chances Rahul and Shubman Gill are in favourites lists but still we have few days so wait for next decision from team management about this all.

There were reports about Rohit Sharma travelling to Australia by second week of December but after that there was no news regarding that, with Kohli gone Ajinkya Rahane will lead the team and i expect them to include KL Rahul in the team considering his form in the shorter format.

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Although Rohit Sharma does not have enough experience to play on the Australian pitch, but he is an experienced batsman. He knows how to play at any moment. Having a player like him in the squad makes the morale of other players in the team stronger.

No doubt about the batting capability of Rohit Sharma in the shorter format but he never performed to that level in the Test format and if the team management is planning to play him regularly then they should play him in Indian pitches rather than putting more pressure while touring.

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It seems to me that after playing in the IPL for a long time, now the Indian players are not mentally prepared for the Test match. Otherwise, one of the best batting lineups in the world would not have such a disaster. Players need to be diligent, mentally strong and try to understand the opponent's tactics. Otherwise, it will not be possible to win a Test match against a team like Australia.

It was a complete off day for India and coming into the boxing day match they will be under pressure and it is not looking good as they need some players to step up their game to be competitive. With Shami injured and Kohli taking parental leave things are looking slim for India to be competitive in this series.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

It was a complete off day for India and coming into the boxing day match they will be under pressure and it is not looking good as they need some players to step up their game to be competitive. With Shami injured and Kohli taking parental leave things are looking slim for India to be competitive in this series.

The record low score was just the tip of the iceberg, from what i remember India is not putting a huge score in Test matches for over a year and they need to replace the coaching staffs as it is not improving their skills nor their fielding coach is not doing anything to help the team as the team is dropping catches every match and even in the last match 5 catches were dropped.

[Sithara007]

Indian team do have fair amount of senior players, this is 3rd Australian tour for players like Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Ashwin including Shami and Kohli (Both are out) . This might be hard to swallow but this is 3rd tour for KL Rahul, Saha and Umesh Yadav as well and then 2nd tour for players like Vihari, Bumrah etc. Would say its more than enough experience.

Experience doesn't necessarily translates to performance, as seen from the first test match. If that was the case, then India would have made much more than the total of 36 runs which they could manage in the second innings. Now it is going to get much more tough, as Virat Kohli is not going to be there. Increasingly, a 0-4 whitewash is looking very likely this time.

[JSRAW]

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If I am right then Rohit Sharma is not in Test squad for this tour because he was available for only ODI and twenty/20 formats now they have very few names replacing for Kohli and Shami most chances Rahul and Shubman Gill are in favourites lists but still we have few days so wait for next decision from team management about this all.

There were reports about Rohit Sharma travelling to Australia by second week of December but after that there was no news regarding that, with Kohli gone Ajinkya Rahane will lead the team and i expect them to include KL Rahul in the team considering his form in the shorter format.

He's in Sydney. 3rd test is scheduled there so he directly went there and going over mandatory 14 days quarantine.  He could join the Indian team around 30th dec.

Indian team do have fair amount of senior players, this is 3rd Australian tour for players like Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Ashwin including Shami and Kohli (Both are out) . This might be hard to swallow but this is 3rd tour for KL Rahul, Saha and Umesh Yadav as well and then 2nd tour for players like Vihari, Bumrah etc. Would say its more than enough experience.

Experience doesn't necessarily translates to performance, as seen from the first test match. If that was the case, then India would have made much more than the total of 36 runs which they could manage in the second innings. Now it is going to get much more tough, as Virat Kohli is not going to be there. Increasingly, a 0-4 whitewash is looking very likely this time.

The way i see it middle order is still good and capable of putting up some fight, tough situation but not expecting whitewash.

[bryant.coleman]

The way i see it middle order is still good and capable of putting up some fight, tough situation but not expecting whitewash.

Middle order was looking OK. But the decision to replace Saha with Pant can have an effect on the team balance, and this can weaken the middle order as well. BTW, Ajinkya Rahane will be captaining the side for the second test, since Virat Kohli is absent. It will be interesting, as these two are very contrasting personalities. Recently, Kohli's captaincy has been disappointing and therefore I have a lot of hopes on Rahane.

[Iranus]

The way i see it middle order is still good and capable of putting up some fight, tough situation but not expecting whitewash.

Middle order was looking OK. But the decision to replace Saha with Pant can have an effect on the team balance, and this can weaken the middle order as well. BTW, Ajinkya Rahane will be captaining the side for the second test, since Virat Kohli is absent. It will be interesting, as these two are very contrasting personalities. Recently, Kohli's captaincy has been disappointing and therefore I have a lot of hopes on Rahane.

I am also optimistic about Rahane's captaincy. He may help improve the performance of the Indian team. And if he succeeds, Virat Kohli's captaincy will face more questions. Even Virat Kohli can lose the captaincy. Let's see if India can win a match with this team.